Trucks of Martial Law signs spotted (Page 3): No debate experience, but was nominated for a Rhodes scholarship in 1959. Well, Mr. Kiwegapawa, true believer in "all that has been...

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Kiwegapawa wrote:

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No debate experience, but was nominated for a Rhodes scholarship in 1959.

Well, Mr. Kiwegapawa, true believer in "all that has been produced, are totally logical and reflective of all thats trnaspiring," I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying since you need some bridging for your conspiracy fantasy.

For real, Pawa and all the rest of you buyers-into-conspiracy people, you have mental health issues and need counseling before your mental issues are harmful to loved ones around you.

Saner rightwing posters need to call out and caution against conspiracy thinking which discredits the whole rightwing side. These crazies are destroying your credibility.

Kiwegapawa Loc: Foothills of the Adirondacks

It's about time you started to step to the plate, as you failed on the point of the comparison with that of Jackson. Especially overlooking the point of his grants to take the lands of the Cherokee for the Governor of Georgia who drooled over the Gold found on them of those Cherokee lands. Course you jumped to the very far left in attempting to say the tea party in comparison to Jackson. When I'm speaking of Jackson in Comparison to this boneheaded idea of a new world order. And that of Obama's recent play into this. But it does seem you attempt, an end around run on many points. Without any actual backing in facts to back up your opposition. In what has been developing over quite some time. Much more than a decade.. You wanted picture, watch the video here's your pictures, This from many News Stations, Town and City Board Meetings. You will even get to see the head honcho reps of the UN here pushing for the Initiative. But apparently you did not follow the instruction when given Agenda 21. As this just one of many I viewed. This of many pages on the point that come up in the search. It's not like these people were in conspiracy theory, as this stuff has gone on over a decade. An the booklets already put out to communities all around the United States by the UN reps. But hey, You go ahead, you mosey right on, of your own little world. Pay no attention to the WTO,, they died long ago and no longer exists,, Pay no attention to the ATT,, Obama promised us, he's not after are guns, even though in a staged photo shoot he knew not how to hold a shotgun, but it was a greatly staged, to convince the naive of his moral convictions.. But hey, it looked real good.. He did not nor did Holder order the ATF to allow those straw purchases to be allowed. There were no Gun Shop Owners in those 4 southern states order not to do background checks on those straw buyer purchases. And no one at the ATF was ever told that these purchase were going to followed by other means, No innocent Mexicans got killed, nor law enforcement officer, nor border guards, it's all in our heads. Soros is a myth, he's not a Greek billionaire, He did not fund and back up any point in anti-gun movements any place in the world, Bloomberg and his Cronie Mayors, their not attempting to take away legal gun ownership. Nor the Obama Campaign. He's not trying to disarm the world. And Bloomberg, he doesn't want to disarm all legal gun ownership by spending his personal money. Peloski ( err however her name is spelt) Loves the NRA. Pa-Shaw. It's all in our head's. It's all just a big smoke and mirror trick, A three card Monte Game put on by the Tea Party! It's all fiction! Thats right jonhatfield, a larger percentage of the world is all wrong,, But hey, you are right, you've got it all cornered and scoped out, youre the man, everyone but you is trembling in fear over a non-existent conspiracy! Not, wake up and smell the Coffee! The Enemy is Within! In three years from now,, maybe you can be a house boy for one of the tyrants! And by the way.. your break up of my ID you attempt to play with,, Thats the Native American Language of the Blackfoot. Those that we the Kickapoo shared villages with,, As the Blackfoot called us Kiwegapawa! ok there 59er... You talking to someone who was voliteer councillor for those of democtic violence 6 years,, Yep thats right a Layman Councillor, Someone trained and placed and approved previous to your comment here,, And BOY, your crying the river of Denial.. Thats my professional opinion! What a Loon!

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/agenda-21-fema-camps-2013-depopulation-plans-in-america_092013

Kiwegapawa Loc: Foothills of the Adirondacks

Dang Forum count down, tried to fit the last in as the clock timed out on me.. So much for taking a moment to refill my coffee cup, LoL Try that again.

You're talking to someone who was volunteer councilor for those of domestic violence groups for 6 years,, Yep thats right a Layman Councilor, Someone trained and placed and approved many, many, years previous to your comment here,, Someone judges sent these to us when they needed counseling for domestic abuses. Let alone the walkins off the street. But of course,, you've yourself have never had a counselor, or Psychiatrist, or psychologist, your just the model of perfection, hunh? And BOY, you're crying the river of Denial.. That's my professional opinion! What a Loon! The cycles must run real tight in your world!

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Kiwegapawa wrote:

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Contain yourself. Pawa or whatever moniker currently in use, you needn't get all disturbed and overwrought. Not sure what you mean by tight cycles, &, no, I haven't seen a counselor. I'm a bit Aspergerish (not so extreme as Bones & Sheldon on TV, if you're familiar with them) and thus somewhat tactless. Sorry if I touched a nerve. So you were a volunteer counselor for victims of domestic abuse. I am impressed but somewhat surprised because my stereotype for social work volunteers is idealistic liberals. ha. You have exploded another of my stupid stereotypes! Thank you. Two Tea Party Herman Cain supporters on another forum site dramatically explode the widespread racism TP stereotype. ha. Details often reveal surprising sides to people and politics.

This is in reply to your post regarding stepping up on the subject of Andrew Jackson, which somehow you think I misinterpreted. The quote above somehow turned out to be your continuation of that post. I also have a computer that crashes on me--very frustrating.

I do appreciate all those details about Andrew Jackson's awfulness. They weren't taught in my junior year U.S. history class at Central High School in Fountain City, Tennessee, in 1953/54. Are you aware that AJ adopted a Cherokee orphan? or that on his deathbed to told his slaves gathered around his deathbed that they would all be together again in heaven? They didn't teach that either--ran into those details somewhere along the way. AJ wasn't all villain, of course. Don't get all upset about AJ.

Now, regarding Jacksonianism rather than AJ the person who did all these various wrongs you list, my take-off from that was about Jacksonianism and my realization around 1984 that the present-day Jacksonians are the Republicans, with the recent development of Tea Party wing to the GOP quite clearly parallel to the Jacksonian populists. If you are familiar with the Jacksonian views opposing federal government road building, finance, taxation, etc., you can see the parallel to GOP thinking today. The Democrats as the present-day equivalent of the Federalist-Whig-original GOP positions for proactive federalism-- that parallel should also be obvious once pointed out. So far as I know, these parallels haven't been noticed by political scientists. ha.

The Jacksonians were the original Democrat Party, thus ironic that the Democrats today are opposite viewpoint to the original party. Equally ironic that the Republican viewpoint is opposite to the original GOP and its predecessors the Federalists and Whigs. The reversal of positions happened during the Great Depression. Now the Fed-Whig-original GOP line historically was the conservatives and the original Democrats were considered the liberals (opposed to federal government infringement on rights of states and individuals). The original labels have remained attached to the partord even though the present day parties are reversed in positions from the originals...thus the terms conservative and liberal have different meanings in politics today than they did in the first half of the 1800s. I go back to the original reference and regard the Democrats to some degree to be the conservatives in today's politics and the GOP the wild-eyed liberals in politics today...somewhat eccentric interpretation and in practice I do refer to the right side as conservative and the left side as liberals. However I do insist that the communists, the extreme left, are the opposite of liberal--and that the extremists on the right are the opposite of conservative. That's a matter of visualizing politics as a circle, with the extremes of right and left circling around to opposite side of circle and the extremes ending up in the same political position--absolutism and dictatorship government.

Now just because the GOP is present-day Jacksonian doesn't mean you who despise AJ need to be down on the GOP. Just because the more radical Tea Party wing of the GOP is the present-day equivalent of the more radical Jacksonians, the populists...doesn't mean you should reject the Tea Party out of hand. It may mean, however, that you might want to consider the possibility that the GOP and Tea Party might be capable of some actions once in power that might be radical change that you might not like at all. Revolutionary change can be extreme--and, as I keep insisting in my posts, is not conservative.

Does all that explain to you

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Kiwegapawa wrote:

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Hi again. I re-read your post and I do apologize for playing with your name...twice yet. Suspected the name was native American but told myself I was imagining it. Should have read your entire post instead of rushing to reply from the opening lines. You might be interested in information I have about the situation of native Americans here in the Midwest in the first half of the 1800s and extending into the 1870s--info related to Henry Gratiot, whose pioneer rock house we lived in for 35 years...quite a history I'm eager to pass on. My email is toadhat@att.net and if you send me your email or address I'll email or mail chapters to you on the subject...too long to put in the forum & not exactly a political subject (though Henry's son-in-law was U.S.Grant's political sponsor & his grandson mayor of Chicago). I have some related art copies I could send photocopies of also. Henry died in 1835 but his son-in-law told the Wisconsin Historical Society in the 1870s that wandering native American still came to their house in Galena, IL and camped on their lawn and in their library knowing Gratiot would welcome them, and the daughter of the niece of the family that in the 1870s bought the Gratiot house south of Shullsburg, WI told me how her mother used to tell about how terrified she was as a child when native Americans would come to the house asking for "Gratiot." The Winnebagos requested Henry Gratiot's presence at the treaty negotiations in 1829. The paintings from those negotiations came from a Swiss immigrant brought to the negotiations by Gratiot. His father was a French fur trader in the 1750s, uncles the Chouteaus who founded St. Louis & fur traded to the west & north, cousins partners with Astor in fur trade, etc., etc.

Ricktloml

Bill Clinton was also a Rhodes Scholar , big whoop, my IQ is 148 but I am just an everyday person and lover of Christ

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

jonhatfield wrote:

I'm sorry. Everything you just posted appears to be conspiracy nonsense, paranoid. Save this post and read it again 3 years from now and you will be able to see it your interpretations weren't real.

Turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to what is going on with our government will cause you to not see or hear anything !
All you have to do is look at History , it's all been done before !

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

Kiwegapawa wrote:

It's about time you started to step to the plate, as you failed on the point of the comparison with that of Jackson. Especially overlooking the point of his grants to take the lands of the Cherokee for the Governor of Georgia who drooled over the Gold found on them of those Cherokee lands. Course you jumped to the very far left in attempting to say the tea party in comparison to Jackson. When I'm speaking of Jackson in Comparison to this boneheaded idea of a new world order. And that of Obama's recent play into this. But it does seem you attempt, an end around run on many points. Without any actual backing in facts to back up your opposition. In what has been developing over quite some time. Much more than a decade.. You wanted picture, watch the video here's your pictures, This from many News Stations, Town and City Board Meetings. You will even get to see the head honcho reps of the UN here pushing for the Initiative. But apparently you did not follow the instruction when given Agenda 21. As this just one of many I viewed. This of many pages on the point that come up in the search. It's not like these people were in conspiracy theory, as this stuff has gone on over a decade. An the booklets already put out to communities all around the United States by the UN reps. But hey, You go ahead, you mosey right on, of your own little world. Pay no attention to the WTO,, they died long ago and no longer exists,, Pay no attention to the ATT,, Obama promised us, he's not after are guns, even though in a staged photo shoot he knew not how to hold a shotgun, but it was a greatly staged, to convince the naive of his moral convictions.. But hey, it looked real good.. He did not nor did Holder order the ATF to allow those straw purchases to be allowed. There were no Gun Shop Owners in those 4 southern states order not to do background checks on those straw buyer purchases. And no one at the ATF was ever told that these purchase were going to followed by other means, No innocent Mexicans got killed, nor law enforcement officer, nor border guards, it's all in our heads. Soros is a myth, he's not a Greek billionaire, He did not fund and back up any point in anti-gun movements any place in the world, Bloomberg and his Cronie Mayors, their not attempting to take away legal gun ownership. Nor the Obama Campaign. He's not trying to disarm the world. And Bloomberg, he doesn't want to disarm all legal gun ownership by spending his personal money. Peloski ( err however her name is spelt) Loves the NRA. Pa-Shaw. It's all in our head's. It's all just a big smoke and mirror trick, A three card Monte Game put on by the Tea Party! It's all fiction! Thats right jonhatfield, a larger percentage of the world is all wrong,, But hey, you are right, you've got it all cornered and scoped out, youre the man, everyone but you is trembling in fear over a non-existent conspiracy! Not, wake up and smell the Coffee! The Enemy is Within! In three years from now,, maybe you can be a house boy for one of the tyrants! And by the way.. your break up of my ID you attempt to play with,, Thats the Native American Language of the Blackfoot. Those that we the Kickapoo shared villages with,, As the Blackfoot called us Kiwegapawa! ok there 59er... You talking to someone who was voliteer councillor for those of democtic violence 6 years,, Yep thats right a Layman Councillor, Someone trained and placed and approved previous to your comment here,, And BOY, your crying the river of Denial.. Thats my professional opinion! What a Loon!

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/agenda-21-fema-camps-2013-depopulation-plans-in-america_092013

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I agree with you ! The government took the land from the Native Indians put them on reversations . They didn't have a choice , either be over whelmed and killed or go to the reversations !
I have heard history repeats itself ! And for power and money some people will do anything !
Some people are not happy untill they have the power of God !
I sort of believe in the saying " when good people do nothing evil thrives "

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

jonhatfield wrote:

I googled it and read the Wikipedia entry, saw zero connection to Obama or any conspiracy situation. This was about the United Nations Agenda 21? or did I get the wrong subject in my google?

The UN (and before that, The League of Nations) was the invention of America modeled on our Articles of Confederation and Federal Constitution. It has division of power, checks and balances, limited areas of decision, etc. on our model of government...actually much more limitation in decision than in our constitution. We have used the UN as an instrument in our geopolitical interests over and over again. Don't be paranoid about our UN located in our New York City and revered in the world precisely because it is quintessentially American in form and idea going back to Woodrow Wilson.

What we do not realize is that the world is Americanized. In China recently there were calls for deAmericanizing...direct reference to how our currency is the world's currency...but indirectly it was a degree of resentment how Americanized everyday culture in China and everywhere the world has become. Well, sometimes we complain how much our everyday products are "made in China" (they're quite successfully capitalist now)...and back when the complaint was that everything was made in Japan. Believe me, the complaint there is "made in the U.S.A." Yes, we still buy and they still buy. It's a world economy.

Do you recall Putin's complaint about "American exceptionalism" and the President's reply defending our special role in world affairs? Putin's complaint amounted to
criticizing our deciding on our own what should be done about Syria and earlier about Saddam Hussain in Iraq, etc. He wants those decisions made through the UN where Russia can veto actions it considers interference in other nations' internal affairs...kind of like libertarians' arguments about undue Federal interference in states' affairs. Ironic state of affairs! ha. Well, in the end we do have a special role in world affairs as the protagonist of our model of government and ideals for world civilization. All nations aspire in that direction, even those who are hostile, just that it's a long road ahead for some nations to get around built-in obstacles from their pasts.

We too little appreciate our place in history or the place the Brits had. Bush had the vision that we could establish a republic in Iraq equivalent to the one we created in South Korea that would lead the way in the Middle East's transition from feudalism to the modern world. It didn't quite work out that way (or at least not yet) and was perhaps too forward (personally I thought it the right geopolitical move, but that's only my opinion). We do not always win each battle and make mistakes but we move on and, as in the Cold War, eventually win the day for world civilization...just as the Brits did in preceding centuries. (Colonialism was not exactly "politically correct" but India, South Africa, Nigeria, Singapore, and Hong Kong owe the Brits for their emergence from their dark middle ages to their model governments and economic & social model roles in Africa and Asia--if only the French had done so well with their colonial operations...hopefully I can say that without offense to the French since I'm part French ancestry myself). Don't forget, we & the Brits are the present-day Rome and Athens in mankind's advance in civilization.

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Jon: Did you read the part where the U.N.'sa Agenda 21 will have control over all countries . Also where they have a map drawn up showing that the western 3/4's of the U.S. will be off limits to Americans , they will live in the eastern 1/4 of the U.S.
The U.N. is so concerned about people : What did they do about Hussian killing million of his people, Africa people starving and being killed by the millions, What did they do about the 9-11 killing of 3000 plus U.S. citizens and after the U.S. attact Bush went to the U.N . asking for them to intervene , What did they do? Nothing ! They have no guts
to fight and help dying people and thats who proposed the Agenda 21 so they can take care of the world ! Another Progressive left group that wants to fundementaly change the U.S. ! Not only the U.S. but the world !
Wonder who said that " We will fundementaly change America ?

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

jonhatfield wrote:

Another UFO sighting? I've just figured some of y'all out--you're not just conspiracy theorists, you're also sci fi believers! Wow.

Well Jon:
watch this video. check out NDAA on Google !
http://rt.com/usa/obama-ndaa-appeal-suit-229/

Kiwegapawa Loc: Foothills of the Adirondacks

No I don't get upset about who you called AJ. I do know the story you speak of. No doubt finding that young baby in a pile of dead bodies they had just shot and killed all these old men, women, mothers and children. I would imagine guilt was built in him really deep when he pulled her from the dead. From what else you tell me, sounds like you have had access to documents not previously seen. You can expect an Email from me in use of the same ID. I would very much appreciate reading the material you have. I'm always looking for new views or views I hadn't seen on it before. As before my people lived with the Blackfoot, previously we were with the Cherokee. Our transition started here in New York at the place of Algonquian Mountain. We left this area before the Europeans started to reach our shores. This due of the Blood Feuds, became a bit much for the Kickapoo. As the Urion had been cannibalistic, and my people were their main diet. Our numbers as low as they were, why we left and joined the Cherokee in the south. When the Spanish showed up we left for the northwest where we joined the Blackfoot. Hence the name the Blackfoot gave us in Kiwegapawa. In English, "He Moves About".

jonhatfield wrote:

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But within that of blaming an entire group of people for the actions of a few, I do not do. In these points are indeed prejudice. Why it is my belief we really need to stop pointing fingers at an entire group of people, there in finding the individual or faction responsible for the creation of corruption to run amuck. As to like the rules of this forum and what Admin points out, it opens the door to other forces of the same degenerate mindset compounding the situation into even worse circumstance. There in, what you had called, Aspergerish in / or Ill tempered. I call, applying force in an equal opposite action. As to point at a whole group in blame for an action of one or a few, is indeed over embellishing a given situation and there in escalation. If you escalate a situation, you have to at the least expect an opposing force to be equal to that which is applied.

Ricktloml

Everyone might want to remember Ezekiel's wheel, not unidentified, merely a form of travel when the Lord needs to move around and take the ark, or His throne with Him, and it's called faith not fantasy

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

Ricktloml wrote:

Bill Clinton was also a Rhodes Scholar , big whoop, my IQ is 148 but I am just an everyday person and lover of Christ

Funny, Bill as a Rhodes scholar didn't know what SEX was
and he got all the way through college without knowing !
Really smart Bill, Really !

Ricktloml

Bigmac495 wrote:

Funny, Bill as a Rhodes scholar didn't know what SEX was
and he got all the way through college without knowing !
Really smart Bill, Really !

What's even worse is Bill Clinton didn't even know what is, is

Hungry Freaks

George W. Bush signed Agenda 21, a non-binding agreement that is basically is designed to get international cooperation on cutting down on pollution implementing programs to end starvation in the Third World, spread technology, etc.

It is "NOT BINDING" meaning it doesn't take the force of a binding treaty. There have been several varieties of "Agenda 21 updates, but George W. Bush signed it in the 2000s.

Non-binding means the Us doesn't have to follow squat and the US government can't force state, county or municipal governments to obey anything in the document.

Another conspiratorial fantasy that bears no relation to the truth. Surprise.

Hey, did you hear that 20+ people died of pot overdoses in Colorado? It was on the Internet, so it must be true.

Bigmac495 wrote:

Jon :
You need to Google "Agenda 21 " (passed and signed By Obama ), and read it . It can be implemated anytime they want ! It's just sitting there out of sight !