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May 28, 2016 14:07:14   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
jelun wrote:
Could you list those battles that we are fighting? Any and everyone's? That's a lot of battles, you must have them at the top of your head.

You do realize that the heading for this thread is that Obama has destroyed...how can you not care while participating in a discussion erroneously placing blame on President Obama and not address that?
Doesn't Congress handle the appropriations for all of the defense budget? Has President Obama done a line item veto on the budget for defense?
Who is the Chair for Defense Appropriations? Who has Congressional control?
Last but not least, you are aware that the process is so long no ship that could be put into service would have been voted on in this administration, right?
And then there is this, sorta puts the lie to the whole conspiracy plot thing...
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/01/05/navy-grows-as-air-force-and-army-fight-off-personnel-cuts.html
Do you have something more recent that shows that strategy has shifted?
Could you list those battles that we are fighting?... (show quote)


I feel that somebody needs to address some of your crap in this post. You ask about Obama having a line item veto. That power has never belonged to our president and Obama doesn't have it either. I guess he did sign earlier laws that provided for Sequestration and things like that so maybe he is to blame more than you want

Maybe you didn't read this part of your link. dSequestration will also dictate the future end strength sizes for each force. The mandatory cuts instituted by the Budget Control Act will slash the military's budget unless Congress can again roll back the cuts to the Defense Department as it did this past year. Sequestration cuts are slated to resume in 2016.

Did you fail to read what my link said about the Navy raping parts off ships not being presently used, no matter why? Your kind wants to talk about air power of the Navy but just can't understand that that very raping is being done to keep some of the planes flying.

Lets give some consideration to the Obama "blow job" on the members of the Navy. You do know that all military services have had to accept those people who couldn't serve when "don't ask, don't tell" was still in effect. I am sure that you may find that many career military people would rather have what they had when they didn't have to serve with queers. I remember when just single queers were thrown out so that we didn't have to serve with them. The one who was removed from the Army and my detachment in Italy had to get his "kicks" outside the military and we were stationed in a heavily communist part of Italy. Obama has been responsible for much of this crap and you can't refute that, but try like hell.

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May 28, 2016 15:30:15   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
jelun wrote:
I shall pray for your nephew. Could you share what battles he has been in while in Jordan?
I can't imagine that he is involved in humanitarian efforts, the US military NEVER does that.
So, share please, what is it that you don't understand about logic and not emotion driving rational discussions?
Do we have the navy in Afghanistan? In Jordan?
I repeat this thread is about President Obama supposedly destroying the our naval forces. All of the other subjects you raise simply distract from the subject.
You have not responded to a single fact put forward. Could you?
I shall pray for your nephew. Could you share what... (show quote)


The U.S. Military is not involved in humanitarian efforts,you must be thinking of another U.S. Milatary,spoken like a true communist.Way back to Vietnam I was involved in these efforts as a member of the U.S. Milatary and I am sure the efforts continue today unless Obama has made it a crime to help others.

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May 28, 2016 16:34:16   #
jelun
 
Hemiman wrote:
The U.S. Military is not involved in humanitarian efforts,you must be thinking of another U.S. Milatary,spoken like a true communist.Way back to Vietnam I was involved in these efforts as a member of the U.S. Milatary and I am sure the efforts continue today unless Obama has made it a crime to help others.



Really, you stupid fool?

http://www.army.mil/humanitarian/
http://www.army.mil/article/13209/tripler-army-medical-center-humanitarian-mission/

As part of a humanitarian outreach program and the Pacific Command's (PACOM) mission to strengthen relationships and set conditions for regional security and prosperity, Tripler Army Medical Center sent specialized surgical teams to three Southeast Asia countries this year.

The Department of Defense has a large number of humanitarian programs ongoing worldwide ranging from medical missions to fresh water projects to building schools. TAMC is DoD's tertiary referral medical center for Asia and the Pacific and routinely provides medical support to humanitarian or disaster relief events in the region.

In many parts of developing Southeast Asia, health care access and capabilities are limited or too expensive preventing impoverished families from getting the health care they need. As a result, there is large demand for all types of medical services but in particular specialized care. Recognizing the need for specialty care, and the significant impact that disorders of vision, hearing loss, craniofacial abnormalities, and other conditions of the head and neck can have, a specialized team table to treat those disorders was assembled.

The mission teams were named Sight, Sound, and Smiles because they were designed to provide surgical treatment for vision loss, hearing loss, and craniofacial disorders (cleft lip and palate). The first Sight, Sound, Smiles mission took place in Bangladesh in 2007.

"The Sight, Sound, and Smile model allowed a much broader range of capabilities than we anticipated," said Lt. Col. Joseph Sniezek, chief of the Otolaryngology service, TAMC. "We knew we could treat vision loss from cataracts, hearing loss from chronic infections, cleft lips and palate, but the reality was we were able to treat most disorders of the head and neck."

The missions are part of the Peace through Health Care initiative, a congressional program designed to provide humanitarian assistance, improve medical readiness of US surgical staff, and increase the medical capacity of our host country colleagues.

Three surgical missions took place this year. Tripler physicians' and AAOHNS members planned, coordinated and led the teams: Lt. Col. Scott Roofe led the team to Kuantan, Malaysia; Lt. Col. Christopher Klem and Lt. Col. Benjamin Cable co-led the team to Bogra, Bangladesh, and Lt. Col. Joseph Sniezek and Lt. Col. Mitchell Ramsey co-led the team to Phnom Penh, Cambodia.

All three missions had similar goals -- to provide free surgical care to impoverished civilians, provide training and education, and build health care capacity. Every mission included otolaryngology residents who were largely responsible for much of the organization, planning and execution.
http://us.yhs4.search.yahoo.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.projecthope.org/where-we-work/humanitarian-missions/?referrer=http://us.yhs4.search.yahoo.com/

So I concentrated on the Army and the Navy as I have a soft spot for those agencies.
The USMC was involved in Iraq with winning hearts and minds...I know it might be hard to make the connection for brainless haters, however... heart and mind...heart and mind....

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May 28, 2016 16:50:35   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
jelun wrote:
Really, you stupid fool?

http://www.army.mil/humanitarian/
http://www.army.mil/article/13209/tripler-army-medical-center-humanitarian-mission/

As part of a humanitarian outreach program and the Pacific Command's (PACOM) mission to strengthen relationships and set conditions for regional security and prosperity, Tripler Army Medical Center sent specialized surgical teams to three Southeast Asia countries this year.

The Department of Defense has a large number of humanitarian programs ongoing worldwide ranging from medical missions to fresh water projects to building schools. TAMC is DoD's tertiary referral medical center for Asia and the Pacific and routinely provides medical support to humanitarian or disaster relief events in the region.

In many parts of developing Southeast Asia, health care access and capabilities are limited or too expensive preventing impoverished families from getting the health care they need. As a result, there is large demand for all types of medical services but in particular specialized care. Recognizing the need for specialty care, and the significant impact that disorders of vision, hearing loss, craniofacial abnormalities, and other conditions of the head and neck can have, a specialized team table to treat those disorders was assembled.

The mission teams were named Sight, Sound, and Smiles because they were designed to provide surgical treatment for vision loss, hearing loss, and craniofacial disorders (cleft lip and palate). The first Sight, Sound, Smiles mission took place in Bangladesh in 2007.

"The Sight, Sound, and Smile model allowed a much broader range of capabilities than we anticipated," said Lt. Col. Joseph Sniezek, chief of the Otolaryngology service, TAMC. "We knew we could treat vision loss from cataracts, hearing loss from chronic infections, cleft lips and palate, but the reality was we were able to treat most disorders of the head and neck."

The missions are part of the Peace through Health Care initiative, a congressional program designed to provide humanitarian assistance, improve medical readiness of US surgical staff, and increase the medical capacity of our host country colleagues.

Three surgical missions took place this year. Tripler physicians' and AAOHNS members planned, coordinated and led the teams: Lt. Col. Scott Roofe led the team to Kuantan, Malaysia; Lt. Col. Christopher Klem and Lt. Col. Benjamin Cable co-led the team to Bogra, Bangladesh, and Lt. Col. Joseph Sniezek and Lt. Col. Mitchell Ramsey co-led the team to Phnom Penh, Cambodia.

All three missions had similar goals -- to provide free surgical care to impoverished civilians, provide training and education, and build health care capacity. Every mission included otolaryngology residents who were largely responsible for much of the organization, planning and execution.
http://us.yhs4.search.yahoo.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.projecthope.org/where-we-work/humanitarian-missions/?referrer=http://us.yhs4.search.yahoo.com/

So I concentrated on the Army and the Navy as I have a soft spot for those agencies.
The USMC was involved in Iraq with winning hearts and minds...I know it might be hard to make the connection for brainless haters, however... heart and mind...heart and mind....
Really, you stupid fool? br br http://www.army.m... (show quote)


Hey jackass,you said in response to Tugboat "I can't imagine that he is involved in humanitarian efforts,the U.S.Military NEVER does that"this was on the previous page of this topic.You are so stupid that you can't even remember You're comments just a short time ago, asshole.

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May 28, 2016 17:01:37   #
jelun
 
Hemiman wrote:
Hey jackass,you said in response to Tugboat "I can't imagine that he is involved in humanitarian efforts,the U.S.Military NEVER does that"this was on the previous page of this topic.You are so stupid that you can't even remember You're comments just a short time ago, asshole.



That you are too dense to recognize sarcasm is not really my problem.

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May 28, 2016 17:07:27   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
jelun wrote:
That you are too dense to recognize sarcasm is not really my problem.


You wrote it now own it dumbass.

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May 29, 2016 06:35:40   #
jasfourth401
 
oldroy wrote:
Naval Captains meeting in the Pentagon agree that the Navy of the US has been seriously depleted and will have trouble fighting anyway but defensively on our coast. I bet it is very embarrassing to have been part of the strongest navy in the world and now seeing themselves having to take parts from one fighting machine to another to keep one of them going. I believe that Obama and his friends have almost reached the plateau they wanted to get to.


http://conservativevideos.com/obama-has-destroyed-the-us-navy-captains-concerned/
Naval Captains meeting in the Pentagon agree that ... (show quote)


Any department of government that received almost 5 trillion in tax payer money during the current administration, and now cries poor, has an internal management problem. This is all on the DOD. It's a disgrace.

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May 29, 2016 07:33:36   #
jelun
 
tugboat wrote:
I can't divulge what he does or has done.all I said was our military is weak,period.I didn’t say it was Obama's fault.I don't care who's fault it is it needs to be strengthened.our soldiers deserve to have the necessary equipment to do their job.


You certainly can divulge that your nephew is not in battles in Jordan.
You must think it is 2003, that is when our troops didn't have proper equipment.

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May 29, 2016 07:36:15   #
jelun
 
jasfourth401 wrote:
Any department of government that received almost 5 trillion in tax payer money during the current administration, and now cries poor, has an internal management problem. This is all on the DOD. It's a disgrace.


I am not sure, jasfourth401, that the DOD is crying poor. I think it is a certain manipulative arm of the media feeding the gullible what they want to hear.

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May 29, 2016 08:10:13   #
atc333
 
This is nothing but the consequence of tax cuts for job creators, funded by cuts in all areas of the Government. If you are not happy about it contact your Right Wing Congressman to increase the tax rate on the top 2%, who have benefited by over 14 Trillion dollars in Tax cuts since Reagan which went in their pockets. There is the problem. Obama can request a budget, but Congress sets it, Obama can request more money for the Navy, for defense, for new weapons systems, but the House determines the amount, and adds or subtracts from it, and votes to set the tax rates, including subsidies, credits, exclusions, and deferments. This is why some corporations pay 0% taxes, and although the GOP loves to complain the US has one of the highest corporate tax rates, the reality is after all the loopholes created by Congress for its major contributors are applied, almost a third of US Corporations pay 0%, or very little.

If you don't like what you see, including crumbling infrastructure, shrinking navy, aging equipment, call your Right Wing Congressman, or better yet, vote him or her out of office, and put in a representative who actually puts this nation, and its people first.
By the way, those cuts didn't create jobs, just more wealth for the job creators, and more income inequity between the haves and have nots.

Obama didn't create this mess, the GOP did.

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May 29, 2016 08:53:14   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
oldroy wrote:
I see here that you haven't really kept up on what the Chinese are doing with their navy. Oh well, there is a chance that some of you left leaning, Muslim supporting people may see, someday, that since our Navy and Army are both smaller than before WW II we are set up for all our more powerful enemies to come after. Of course, leaners are so very sure that we still have a military that can protect our shores and our country. You poor SOBS just can't understand that the reason our "friends" can get by without spending on defense just happens to be the fact that we do spend. That all started during WW II and continued through the 50s and 60s and even beyond, but then some of you of your group are more interested in the spread of the Muslim Caliphate than anything else.
I see here that you haven't really kept up on what... (show quote)









Most of the low-information useful-idiot "demonrats," roy, have NO idea what a "caliphate" is; they just want their FREE stuff from Bernie; or Hillary; or "HBH," if he can pull-it-off. Goooooooo Welfare, free medical, education, housing, transportation and SNAP!!! God - woops - Damn it's great to be an anti-American in America these days!!! POTUS, here I come!!! Hummmmmmmmmmm. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUMP!!!

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May 29, 2016 10:08:31   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
oldroy wrote:
Naval Captains meeting in the Pentagon agree that the Navy of the US has been seriously depleted and will have trouble fighting anyway but defensively on our coast. I bet it is very embarrassing to have been part of the strongest navy in the world and now seeing themselves having to take parts from one fighting machine to another to keep one of them going. I believe that Obama and his friends have almost reached the plateau they wanted to get to.


http://conservativevideos.com/obama-has-destroyed-the-us-navy-captains-concerned/
Naval Captains meeting in the Pentagon agree that ... (show quote)







And that's not even to mention the trillions - with a "T," TRILLION$ of dollar$ worth of transferred military equipment, first in Benghazi, and then directly to ISIS in Iraq, where it all could be used right-on-site to re-take Iraq from the American "Imperialists;" [who had all just be rapidly transported OUT]; the latest technologically advanced American tanks, halftracks, troop transporters, armored jeeps and Humvees, with the usual [Benghazi] advanced American automatic weaponry, ammunitions and explosives; that weapons "exchanges" [in Benghazi] were now [because of the necessary high-level assassinations for secrecy] just much too-hot to handle. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUMP!!!

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May 29, 2016 10:15:40   #
jasfourth401
 
jelun wrote:
I am not sure, jasfourth401, that the DOD is crying poor. I think it is a certain manipulative arm of the media feeding the gullible what they want to hear.


The DOD always cries poor. The most classic examples were the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. I don't think the public understands that DOD didn't spend a dime for those wars. The money came from the "Overseas Contingency Operations" account. And all that did was put 2 trillion on this country's credit card that we now pay carry forward interest on and that jacked the debt up by 3 trillion in overall exposure. Now add on the 5 trillion we've spent for BAU (business as usual) for "regular" military spending under Obama and you're talking real money.

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May 29, 2016 11:43:21   #
tugboat
 
jelun wrote:
You certainly can divulge that your nephew is not in battles in Jordan.
You must think it is 2003, that is when our troops didn't have proper equipment.


He's not gonna be in Jordan all the time.They do missions and go back to Jordan. Really?Don't you have common sense? Wasn't there articles recently that the Navy said they were running out of bombs?To my knowledge bombs are equipment that's pretty important.

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May 29, 2016 12:30:46   #
littlebit
 
PeterS wrote:
Is this the result of Obama's policies or the result of the budget compromise made to avoid a shutdown where conservatives insisted we cut government spending? This year 5 billion will be cut form defense all because conservatives like Cruz were willing to shut down government instead of fund the programs that needed to be funded. Yeah it's a bitch but you guys got most of the budget cuts you wanted.
Easy solution.

Get rid of the freeloaders i.e. the illegal aliens, they cost us billions and billions a year. Get rid of the Muslims that don't belong in United States in the first place(Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1952 ,Flashback: President Jimmy Carter Banned Iranians From U.S. Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fbig-government%2F2015%2F12%2F09%2Fflashback-president-jimmy-carter-banned-iranians-u-s%2F&usg=AFQjCNGmX2gvs59wJrjvAgWw-yDp5ZwPag&sig2=uBpGQYWI-86DL-cgnvh9ww&bvm=bv.123325700,d.cGc Which were Muslims'' ) because in the Koran it says that there is no higher law than sharia and that's, over our Constitution.

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