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May 27, 2016 09:03:28   #
payne1000
 
Docadhoc wrote:
I didn't tell anyone anything. I asked you a question.


Don't you realize I answered your question?

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May 27, 2016 09:06:18   #
payne1000
 
Docadhoc wrote:
Right. You two need to fight it out over whose butt is bent out of shape worse.


From one who can't tell the difference between buildings being blown up and buildings collapsing from fire damage.



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May 27, 2016 11:25:45   #
kburns50
 
I can't tell you which side right now... I'm on my way to Mt. Pilot.

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May 28, 2016 00:49:28   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
payne1000 wrote:
Don't you realize I answered your question?


Then why are you trying to say I told something to someone?

You can't have it both ways. I either made a statement, or I asked a question. I assume you know the difference.

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May 28, 2016 00:53:14   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
payne1000 wrote:
Look at this photo and tell readers which is the weak side.


Did this building collapse from a fire?

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May 28, 2016 01:05:19   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
payne1000 wrote:
From one who can't tell the difference between buildings being blown up and buildings collapsing from fire damage.


You two are the ones fighting over whose concern is the most important.

I haven't said one word regarding what I think. About either scenario. I have asked questions. That's what people usually do before making a decision about most anything.

You are far too defensive. Wait until I say something you disagree with. Then jump. At this point, because I haven't jumped onto your bandwagon, you assume I disagree. It is difficult to talk with those who believe everyone is the enemy...it quickly becomes fruitless and a waste of time.

Did you for one moment stop and think that a question does not often relate to sarcasm or a predetermined opinion, but usually is asked to learn something?

You assume too much. Have a happy.

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May 28, 2016 09:59:17   #
payne1000
 
Docadhoc wrote:
You two are the ones fighting over whose concern is the most important.

I haven't said one word regarding what I think. About either scenario. I have asked questions. That's what people usually do before making a decision about most anything.

You are far too defensive. Wait until I say something you disagree with. Then jump. At this point, because I haven't jumped onto your bandwagon, you assume I disagree. It is difficult to talk with those who believe everyone is the enemy...it quickly becomes fruitless and a waste of time.

Did you for one moment stop and think that a question does not often relate to sarcasm or a predetermined opinion, but usually is asked to learn something?

You assume too much. Have a happy.
You two are the ones fighting over whose concern i... (show quote)


If you are being truthful, why have you waited for 15 years to start asking questions?

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May 28, 2016 10:00:05   #
payne1000
 
Docadhoc wrote:
Did this building collapse from a fire?


Of course not.

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May 28, 2016 19:15:52   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
payne1000 wrote:
From one who can't tell the difference between buildings being blown up and buildings collapsing from fire damage.


No one will ever change your mind because of your ingrained hatred for this country and the Jews. My last post on this false representation of facts.
Have a nice day.

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May 29, 2016 01:36:00   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
payne1000 wrote:
If you are being truthful, why have you waited for 15 years to start asking questions?



Why have I just started asking questions? I assume you mean why have I just started asking YOU questions about this.


Because YOU brought it.up, and what makes you believe rhat because I recently asked you some questions, that I never asked anyone else before this? What makes you think I know nothing about this or haven't struggled with this for all these years? Why? Because I didn't immediately reveal what I know? For your information I ask, listen, and evaluate before I decide if I even want to be more deeply involved with an unknown quanity...YOU..regarding something this important.

Again, you assume too much. The answer to the questions you have asked me are as plainly in front of you as the nose on your face, but the chip on your shoulder is in your way.

Did you begin instantly with an opinion, or did something not register correctly with you and you began asking questiions? Researching? Learning? Asking more? Or did you just go off half cocked over something this dire?

Are you not still asking questiions? Are you faulting me for doing the same? Or are you here to tell us what to think?

Are you here to ask, learn, examine, and come to a consensus...or are you just recruiting?

Since you apparently can't think on your own, try this on for size. How could I ask YOU questions about this BEFORE you began talking about this here? I have no idea who you are and at this point I no longer care, but since I don't know you, how would I know you were interested in this at all, let alone know you were someone to discuss this with, which it turns out you are not?

You act as if.you are the first person I have approached about this. You are not. You sounded as if.you knew something of which you speak, so I asked for my own edification. I find you are just another screwball who instantly jumps to ignorant conclusions about people for no reason other than you didn't gain support instantly.

If you are that fast to jump to conclusions about me, I think you probably did the same regarding 9/11 which renders all you have said......useless.

So thanks for wasting my time. Now to continue perusing this I need to find someone with common sense and no hair trigger to discuss this with.

Why are so many people who think they have a point to make, the type of people who do not seriously want to discuss the topic and in fact are judgemental, reactionary, and reckless......as you are.

If you gain little support here it is not because the topic is not worth the discussion. It is because you are a huge turn off and come off as a know it all, which is contrary to what you wish people to believe. You project horribly and are actually taking credibility away from the issue.

Done.

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May 29, 2016 05:05:37   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
son of witless wrote:
Skyscrapers are not trees. It is possible to bring a building straight down, as is commonly done in controlled explosive demolitions. Has anyone ever brought a tree straight down? Welllllll?

I already posted a link to a site giving the engineering aspect of the towers collapse. It makes sense to me. It seems to me your problem is mainly the straight vertical collapse. Why didn't they collapse sideways?

That has been explained. Now you give me your version. Did someone plant explosives on the support beams the way a controlled building demolition is done? Stop telling me that what happened was not possible. Give me your alternate theory, and I want exact details.
Skyscrapers are not trees. It is possible to bring... (show quote)


Work was going on for 6 months to prepare buildings for demolition.
Melted steel in basement weeks after attack. That does indicate a fire in excess of 2800 degrees.

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May 29, 2016 09:32:46   #
payne1000
 
Louie27 wrote:
No one will ever change your mind because of your ingrained hatred for this country and the Jews. My last post on this false representation of facts.
Have a nice day.


I'll try to miss you . . .

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May 29, 2016 09:36:18   #
payne1000
 
Docadhoc wrote:
Why have I just started asking questions? I assume you mean why have I just started asking YOU questions about this.


Because YOU brought it.up, and what makes you believe rhat because I recently asked you some questions, that I never asked anyone else before this? What makes you think I know nothing about this or haven't struggled with this for all these years? Why? Because I didn't immediately reveal what I know? For your information I ask, listen, and evaluate before I decide if I even want to be more deeply involved with an unknown quanity...YOU..regarding something this important.

Again, you assume too much. The answer to the questions you have asked me are as plainly in front of you as the nose on your face, but the chip on your shoulder is in your way.

Did you begin instantly with an opinion, or did something not register correctly with you and you began asking questiions? Researching? Learning? Asking more? Or did you just go off half cocked over something this dire?

Are you not still asking questiions? Are you faulting me for doing the same? Or are you here to tell us what to think?

Are you here to ask, learn, examine, and come to a consensus...or are you just recruiting?

Since you apparently can't think on your own, try this on for size. How could I ask YOU questions about this BEFORE you began talking about this here? I have no idea who you are and at this point I no longer care, but since I don't know you, how would I know you were interested in this at all, let alone know you were someone to discuss this with, which it turns out you are not?

You act as if.you are the first person I have approached about this. You are not. You sounded as if.you knew something of which you speak, so I asked for my own edification. I find you are just another screwball who instantly jumps to ignorant conclusions about people for no reason other than you didn't gain support instantly.

If you are that fast to jump to conclusions about me, I think you probably did the same regarding 9/11 which renders all you have said......useless.

So thanks for wasting my time. Now to continue perusing this I need to find someone with common sense and no hair trigger to discuss this with.

Why are so many people who think they have a point to make, the type of people who do not seriously want to discuss the topic and in fact are judgemental, reactionary, and reckless......as you are.

If you gain little support here it is not because the topic is not worth the discussion. It is because you are a huge turn off and come off as a know it all, which is contrary to what you wish people to believe. You project horribly and are actually taking credibility away from the issue.

Done.
Why have I just started asking questions? I assum... (show quote)


It took a lot of words but you were successful in proving that you are everything you accuse me of being. Good work.

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May 29, 2016 09:38:16   #
payne1000
 
bilordinary wrote:
Work was going on for 6 months to prepare buildings for demolition.
Melted steel in basement weeks after attack. That does indicate a fire in excess of 2800 degrees.


The foundation concrete was melted. What temperatures would it take to do that?



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