vernon

i dont know what you are trying to prove other than being nuts.

payne1000

You haven't proved anything other than your inability to communicate intelligent replies.

vernon

I believe i have refuted all the bs you have put out.But you are a racist and there is no cure for that.

payne1000

Racist? How do you feel about Arabs and Muslims?

EconomistDon

Nick, I know you are smarter than this; we have had many excellent exchanges. How has Pain twisted your view on this one? I want you to please view this video and pay close attention to the beginning of the collapse of each building. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UdBKazUeHc. Tower 2 begins to collapse a 17:30 in the video and building 1 begins to collapse at 26:30 in the video. As you will see, especially for building 1 at 26:30, the damaged section is a fiery inferno that begins to fall in on itself. If there was an explosive, there would have been debris blasting outward. But that didn't happen, just an accelerating collapse of a structure that could no longer support it own weight. As the collapse continued, it pushed debris outward and down the side of the building. Hence, Pain's "smoking gun". Pain's photo is well into the collapse when the weight of the upper floors are pushing down, forcing debris out and down the sides of the building. That does not support Pain's theory of explosives. The debris falls out and down not far from the building in an arc. An explosive would blast debris horizontally outward.

Take another look Nick, Pain has you hoodwinked.

payne1000

The documentary you linked was produced by National Geographic which is owned by Rupert Murdoch who is an ardent Zionist. Here's what an honest and patriotic fireman has to say about what went down on 9/11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiedW2xwud0

Yes. Explosives do blast debris horizontally outward.

EconomistDon

Believe what you will Jean. But I find it mysterious that all these Muslims decided to abandon their apartments and their belongings on 9-11. Why would they do that if they were not involved. None of their neighbors, who were questioned by police, ever saw these guys again.

You can claim that to be concocted lies. So I can give you only what I know for certain to be true. The jet that crashed in Pennsylvania was near my hometown. My family has emergency responders who were called into action after the crash. They had the gruesome task of collecting body parts into plastic bags -- no idea what parts belonged to whom. It was quite definitely a crashed airplane, smashed to bits.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

NG did not produce the content, numbnuts. At least a dozen media outlets--NPR, Nova, even mainstream--have produced similar documentaries, and all say pretty much the same thing.

And how many times are you going to post the opinion of one RETIRED NYC fireman who didn't even show up in lower Manhattan until after the towers had collapsed.

Have you heard even one comment from an FDNY firefighter who was on the scene, who was in the towers, or near the towers when they collapsed???? Many of them commented on the SOUND they heard as the buildings came down. Stands to reason that a hundred thousand tons of steel and concrete falling on an acre of concrete floors would go "BOOM". One of the FDNY lieutenants who was in the South Tower when it collapsed put it pretty much that way. "tons of building hitting solid floors," he said. Others said that it SOUNDED like bombs going off. "BOOM BOOM BOOM", they said. I'll put my money on them.

Like I said, payne, during my firefighting career, I've seen and heard a few burning buildings collapse--nothing on the scale of the twin towers--but I can assure you these events are not quiet.

I guess the primary questions are, why are you so damned dishonest when making your argument? Why do you resort to logical fallacies and irrrational rants? How can you look at a picture and see things that are not even there? In a word, WTF is the matter with you?

payne1000

Here's a NYC firefighter who was trapped in the North Tower until rescued by Janitor William Rodriquez. He says it was something other than fire that brought the tower down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBb00PQR1zo

Why am I dishonest? You're the one who has been caught lying. And you keep on telling the same lies. You've claimed at least 3 times that you've seen and heard buildings collapse from fire. When I ask you to name some of those buildings you can't name them. Is your memory that bad? If I saw a building collapse from fire I would certainly remember the name of the building. Obviously you are lying. What the fuck is the matter with you?

emarine

Adolf... you're not one to talk here... converting Episcopalians to Jews without their permission... that's just not acceptable on my planet putz... :lol:

payne1000

You're referring to Jeff Fager? I guess you wanted to see this again:

Jews In The American Media

MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN, owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report and chair of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups.

LESLIE MOONVES, president of CBS television, great-nephew of David Ben-Gurion, and co-chair with Norman Ornstein of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

JONATHAN MILLER, chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner

NEIL SHAPIRO, president of NBC News

JEFF GASPIN, Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC

DAVID WESTIN, president of ABC News

SUMNER REDSTONE, CEO of Viacom, “world’s biggest media giant” (Economist, 11/23/2) owns Viacom cable, CBS and MTVs all over the world, Blockbuster video rentals and Black Entertainment TV.

MICHAEL EISNER, major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC.

RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the World (Jewish mother)

MEL KARMAZIN, president of CBS

DON HEWITT, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS

JEFF FAGER, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS

DAVID POLTRACK, Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS

SANDY KRUSHOW, Chair, Fox Entertainment

LLOYD BRAUN, Chair, ABC Entertainment

BARRY MEYER, chair, Warner Bros.

SHERRY LANSING. President of Paramount Communications and Chairman of Paramount Pictures’ Motion Picture Group.

HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CEO. Miramax Films.

BRAD SIEGEL., President, Turner Entertainment.

PETER CHERNIN, second in-command at Rupert Murdoch’s News. Corp., owner of Fox TV

MARTY PERETZ, owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly identifies itself as pro-Israel. Al Gore credits Marty with being his “mentor.”

ARTHUR O. SULZBERGER, JR., publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe and other publications.

WILLIAM SAFIRE, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

TOM FRIEDMAN, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post. Honored by Honest Reporting.com, website monitoring “anti-Israel media.”

RICHARD COHEN, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post

JEFF JACOBY, syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe

NORMAN ORNSTEIN, American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA Today, news analyst for CBS, and co-chair with Leslie Moonves of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

ARIE FLEISCHER, Dubya’s press secretary.

STEPHEN EMERSON, every media outlet’s first choice as an expert on domestic terrorism.

DAVID SCHNEIDERMAN, owner of the Village Voice and the New Times network of “alternative weeklies.”

DENNIS LEIBOWITZ, head of Act II Partners, a media hedge fund

KENNETH POLLACK, for CIA analysts, director of Saban Center for Middle East Policy, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker

BARRY DILLER, chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal Entertainment

KENNETH ROTH, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch

RICHARD LEIBNER, runs the N.S. Bienstock talent agency, which represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather, Dianne Sawyer and Bill O’Reilly.

TERRY SEMEL, CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros.

MARK GOLIN, VP and Creative Director, AOL

WARREN LIEBERFORD, Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL- TimeWarner

JEFFREY ZUCKER, President of NBC Entertainment

JACK MYERS, NBC, chief.NYT 5.14.2

SANDY GRUSHOW, chair of Fox Entertainment

GAIL BERMAN, president of Fox Entertainment

STEPHEN SPIELBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

JEFFREY KATZENBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

DAVID GEFFEN, co-owner of Dreamworks

LLYOD BRAUN, chair of ABC Entertainment

JORDAN LEVIN, president of Warner Bros. Entertainment

MAX MUTCHNICK, co-executive producer of NBC’s “Good Morning Miami”

DAVID KOHAN, co-executive producer of NBC’s “Good Morning Miami”

HOWARD STRINGER, chief of Sony Corp. of America

AMY PASCAL, chair of Columbia Pictures

JOEL KLEIN, chair and CEO of Bertelsmann’s American operations

ROBERT SILLERMAN, founder of Clear Channel Communications

BRIAN GRADEN, president of MTV entertainment

IVAN SEIDENBERG, CEO of Verizon Communications

WOLF BLITZER, host of CNN’s Late Edition

LARRY KING, host of Larry King Live

TED KOPPEL, host of ABC’s Nightline

ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN Reporter

PAULA ZAHN, CNN Host

MIKE WALLACE, Host of CBS, 60 Minutes

BARBARA WALTERS, Host, ABC’s 20-20

MICHAEL LEDEEN, editor of National Review

BRUCE NUSSBAUM, editorial page editor, Business Week

DONALD GRAHAM, Chair and CEO of Newsweek and Washington Post, son of

CATHERINE GRAHAM MEYER, former owner of the Washington Post

HOWARD FINEMAN, Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek

WILLIAM KRISTOL, Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director
Project for a New American Century (PNAC)

RON ROSENTHAL, Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle

PHIL BRONSTEIN, Executive Editor, San Francisco Chronicle,

RON OWENS, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

JOHN ROTHMAN, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

MICHAEL SAVAGE, Talk Show Host, KFSO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco) Syndicated in 100 markets

MICHAEL MEDVED, Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations

DENNIS PRAGER, Talk Show Host, nationally syndicated from LA. Has Israeli flag on his home page.

BEN WATTENBERG, Moderator, PBS Think Tank.

ANDREW LACK, president of NBC

DANIEL MENAKER, Executive Director, Harper Collins

DAVID REMNICK, Editor, The New Yorker

NICHOLAS LEHMANN, writer, the New York

HENRICK HERTZBERG, Talk of the Town editor, The New Yorker

SAMUEL NEWHOUSE JR, and DONALD NEWHOUSE own Newhouse Publications, includes 26 newspapers in 22 cities; the Conde Nast magazine group, includes The New Yorker; Parade, the Sunday newspaper supplement; American City Business Journals, business newspapers published in more than 30 major cities in America; and interests in cable television programming and cable systems serving 1 million homes.

DONALD NEWHOUSE, chairman of the board of directors, Associated Press.

PETER R KANN, CEO, Wall Street Journal, Barron’s

RALPH J. & BRIAN ROBERTS, Owners, Comcast-ATT Cable TV.

LAWRENCE KIRSHBAUM, CEO, AOL-Time Warner Book Group

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jews-in-the-media-hollywood/

okie don

You got it Payne.
Building don't collapse in 'free fall' from a damn fire, UNLESS they were imploded.
That's just ' common sense'.
Some idiots just can't put 2 and 2 together.
Incidentally, the Murrah Federal Bldg was also imploded in '95 in Okla City.
These 'false flags' have been going on for years...(:

emarine

Shamefully stupid reply putz...

vernon

he is just a racist no help for him.

emarine

Sounds like you viewed his movie... :lol: