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May 19, 2017 04:03:08   #
Jean Deaux
 
payne1000 wrote:
Here's the real story on Dov Zakheim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXLmAiNYRoE
and the real story on WTC7:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9u1xGeitPk


There were multiple basement levels in bldg 7!

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May 19, 2017 13:11:07   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
Pure delusion ... consider the design and understand the floor trusses only sat on a 6 inch lip... then look at how far the perimeter walls peeled outward in failure... turn off the sound and use your eyes and own brain for a change... you troofers "follow" pure stupidity :thumbdown:



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Oct 31, 2017 11:15:41   #
Stevewhatchamacallit Loc: Tennessee
 
That highly flammable jet fuel is a deravitive of kerosene! Which is flammable but not highly. Exactly why it it is used. The kicker is the building about a block away. Number 7 or 12, can't Rem now....How is the fire dept. able to "pull" it as recorded on a radio broadcast where the fire dept asked the owner of the complex did he want them, the fire dept, to pull it and he says yes.
Down it came.....no jet fuel there!
Answer me this... How does molten metal shoot out the side of one of the towers as if a huge cutting torch is being used. That is on numerous videos of news channels before it fell. Even the military back in the '60s had a hand held canister that looked like a smoke grenade ( canister) that once exposed to oxygen would burn through the metal of a tank. Metal almost two inches thick. Surely they've developed even more powerful ones by 2001.

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Oct 31, 2017 11:38:55   #
Stevewhatchamacallit Loc: Tennessee
 
Where you get he didn't own the buildings? He'd bough them in January or February the same year, had them insured for terrorist which is hard to do.... Then sued in court because the British insurance company, I think it was, didn't want to pay. Trial was in the US and the judge awarded him twice what he'd insured them for according to news reports back then....

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Oct 31, 2017 11:42:41   #
Stevewhatchamacallit Loc: Tennessee
 
jasfourth401 wrote:
May I ask what building structure you are talking about? As I stated before, the design of the building relied on two components - the inner (steel column) core and the aluminum curtain wall. There was nothing in between. The photo capture you posted clearly shows the inner core above the collapsing floors rendering any argument about a controlled demolition utter fantasy. The only way to make this type of controlled demo work would be to cut away at the outer facade wall beams, in a building that swayed three feet in any direction...on trading floors with workers there 24 hours a day. No way. That's simply not plausible.
May I ask what building structure you are talking ... (show quote)

Need I remind you it was stated the buildings were designed to withstand an accidental flying into the buildings by a commercial jet because of their height.

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Oct 31, 2017 11:44:36   #
Stevewhatchamacallit Loc: Tennessee
 
JONDO wrote:
If you want to bring down a building then all you have to do is fill it full of computers a couple of rugs and a coffee machine.

And maybe a water fountain or two...maybe three...who knows....?

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Oct 31, 2017 11:53:23   #
Stevewhatchamacallit Loc: Tennessee
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
That question has been asked and answered for damn near 14 years. Problem is that conspiracy nuts just cannot deal with 911 without their mythical bombs. They simply have no connection to the real world.

To keep it simple: At the onset of the collapse of Tower 1, large sections of the perimeter columns along with burning material smashed into the south face of WTC 7. These impacts caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.

This debris damaged a number of support columns, transfer and floor trusses. Column #79 was severed at the base and displaced almost 6 ft. This debris impact set the building on fire, shut down electrical power, and reduced water supply to a trickle. The fires advanced up through 11 or 12 floors in the SW portion of the building. Without sufficient water supply, firefighters were unable to control it. The fires burned out of control all afternoon.

At about 2 pm, firefighters observed a bulge in the SW corner between the 10th and 13th floors. Firefighters inside reported creaking sounds throughout the building. At around 3:30pm, the fire commander on scene was informed of observed buckling in the SW corner. It was then, after a quick conversation with Silverstein, he PULLED his men out of the building.

At 5:21 pm, Column #79 and those adjacent failed and the building collapsed. The primary reason that the collapse resembled a controlled demolition was the unusual support column construction necessary to accommodate the ConEdison substation directly under the building. This required the use of transfer trusses (horizontal beams that transferred loads to adjacent vertical columns.)

911 Trutherism's fabrications about the use of explosives to demolish the building is total fabrication.
That question has been asked and answered for damn... (show quote)

Ohhhhh....ok! I stand corrected...

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Oct 31, 2017 11:58:17   #
Stevewhatchamacallit Loc: Tennessee
 
payne1000 wrote:
If Zionists have nothing to do with 9/11, maybe you can explain all this evidence:

9/11 evidence against Israel

1. Zionist Larry Silverstein leased the World Trade Towers only weeks before the attacks. He insured them for terrorist attacks and attempted to collect double claiming there were two attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

2. Silverstein collected over $4 billion in insurance payments on an investment of less than $120 million.
http://911review.com/attack/wtc/index.html

3. Silverstein normally had breakfast every day in a restaurant at the top of one of the towers. His son and daughter also worked in one of the towers. All three found reasons not to go to work on 9/11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm0PxzdHhPc

4. Silverstein said in a PBS filmed interview that he and the NYC fire dept decided to "pull" building 7 on the afternoon of 9/11. Wiring for explosive demolition takes weeks if not months. Why would the building which offices CIA, Secret Service, Guiliani's Office of Emergency Management and IRS be pre-wired for demolition? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I

Silverstein refuses to identify the fire chief he claims he talked to about "pulling" the building.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I

5. Silverstein was close friends with Ariel Sharon, Bibi Netanyahu and Ehud Barack.
http://iamthewitness.com/haaretzdaily-Up-in-smoke.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/larry-silverstein-was-close-friends-netanyahu-sharo...
http://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it

6. Five Israelis were arrested after filming and celebrating the towers coming down. FBI interrogation revealed they were Mossad agents. They were deported and one of them later said in a TV interview that they were there to film the event. Therefore, they knew well ahead of time that it was going to happen. http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

7. Hundreds of Israeli spies were rounded up and deported right after 9/11. Many of them were posing as art students in the area where the alleged hijackers were training in Florida.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbkQddEDPs0

8. $2.3 trillion was announced missing from Pentagon accounting while Bush appointee Dov Zakheim was in charge of Pentagon accounting. The missing funds were announced by Donald Rumsfeld the day before 9/11 and totally forgotten in the turmoil after 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpSBUgbxBU

9. Dov Zakheim is a Zionist and a dual U.S./Israel citizen. Before being appointed Pentagon CFO, Zakheim was CEO of SPS International, part of System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor majoring in electronic warfare technologies, including remote-controlled aircraft systems, and the notorious Flight Termination System (FTS) technology that could hijack even a hijacked plane and land or crash it wherever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXLmAiNYRoE

10. Zakheim sent 32 767s to Florida in 2001 to be converted to refueling tankers. 767s are the same type planes that hit Towers I and II.
http://911review.org/brad.com/batcave/Dov_Zakheim_911.html
http://www.dailypaul.com/153527/dov-zakheim-and-911-from-freedom-of-information-act-reque...

11. Many of the members of PNAC who signed the letter describing the need for a new Pearl Harbor were Zionists including Dov Zakheim, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, Elliot Abrams, Scooter Libby and William Kristol.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/nc-pilger.html

12. Zim American Israel Shipping, half owned by Israel, moved out of one of the Trade Towers two weeks before the attacks, forfeiting $50,000 on their lease.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/02/21/zim-shipping-evidence-they-knew-911-was-coming/

13. Odigo, an Israeli company with offices in one of the towers received warnings to stay away on 9/11.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/odigo-says-workers-were-warned-of-attack-1.70579

14. Jewish-controlled mainstream media covered up the fact that the towers were blown up. All MSM news censored all the news reports that were shown on TV that day reporting bombs going off in all three towers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UKfzGt6Fxk

15. General Wesley Clark says Zionist Neocons took control of America's foreign policy in a coup made possible by 9/11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oJUnG3Z6WI
If Zionists have nothing to do with 9/11, maybe yo... (show quote)

Uh Ohhhhh. Now I'm confused. Now I'm believing, once again, they were taken down by bombs and thermite..... Oh woe is me....

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Oct 31, 2017 12:09:02   #
Stevewhatchamacallit Loc: Tennessee
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Good grief, you are a moron. Yeah, a fire will make the local news and it's not usually a big thing unless there is a heavy loss of life. I'm not going to dig up the history of my time on the fire department just to appease a numbskull like you. GFY. I would wager that you conspiracy freaks are the only ones who think I am lying, and I don't really give a shit. It has been obvious since you got here that you wouldn't recognize the truth if it bit off your balls. Everything you post is a lie.


Just wondering if youse guys saw the building in Great Britain which was in the news a few months ago. Totally consumed by fire, huge loss of life but the building didn't fall best I remember?????

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Oct 31, 2017 12:23:26   #
Stevewhatchamacallit Loc: Tennessee
 
payne1000 wrote:
If you live in America and you are employed to cover up the crimes of mass murderers, that would make you an accomplice to the crime. You may join this crew when the world learns the truth:

Whole thing was a charade. This was during a time when the world was dependent on mideast oil. Before the invention of cracking as we know it today.
Dicey Chainey made a comment on a news program....
"We're never leaving the mideast!" The neocons had already said we need something on the order of "Pearl Harbor" to happen in order to get the US to start spending more money on defense. ((money,money,money) All they needed was an excuse to go there.
The excuse was the towers..... The lies, now debunked in truth, about Hussein having nuclear weapons was in fact a lie. Even senators have stated so publically. Hussein did have gas which he shipped most of it to Syria has been revealed. I mean he gassed some of his own people.
Have we left yet.... Nearly twenty years later...???

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Oct 31, 2017 12:25:39   #
Stevewhatchamacallit Loc: Tennessee
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Debunking Thermite

Let's see now, we have "powerful explosives", thermite charges, nano thermite, mini-nukes, gelatin, cosmic rays, EMP bursts, guided missiles, little black boxes, Zionist plots, insurance scams, inside jobs, Blame Bush, CIA operations, disguised maintenance workers, disgruntled flight attendants, amateur architects, probably the Free Masons and the Boy Scouts, and who the hell knows what else. Now, if the truthers would just add Islamic terrorists to the mix, they might get on the right track.

Maybe one day the truthers will make up their freaking minds. At least they could come up with a 97% consensus on just WTF happened on 911.
url=http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm D... (show quote)

Don't forget the rugs, computers ohhh and the water coolers...

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Oct 31, 2017 12:40:17   #
Stevewhatchamacallit Loc: Tennessee
 
payne1000 wrote:
Explosive loaders disguised as elevator maintenance workers would have no problem with being detected. Elevators could be individually shut down for pretended maintenance. You don't need a blowtorch to install explosives.


Me thinks blade forgets the numerous witnesses who said there was a huge explosion in the street level lobby. This was before the building began to fall! There's video of the results of that explosion. Chosen in the lobby...windows blown out. Even firefighters witnessed the explosion.

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Oct 31, 2017 13:01:24   #
Stevewhatchamacallit Loc: Tennessee
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I know what a "great amount of fire" is, numbnuts. I've had to deal with it many times.

No one with a functioning brain understands why you think 25,000 gallons of exploding Jet fuel could not set 30 acres of offices on fire and burn hot enough to weaken already critically damaged support steel and therefore men disguised as maintenance workers sneaking through the stairwells and elevators and crawling through the floor truss system to "strategically" remove bolts and place little black boxes full of explosives and attach thermite charges is the only possible means to bring the towers down
It's a tiresome, worn out, ridiculous argument, payne, it has no basis in the real world, it has not one whit of credibility, neither in the precision of science nor in the realm of common sense. The one thing you simply cannot comprehend is the twin towers were not like any skyscraper in history. When they designed and built them, they threw away the books and started with a blank sheet of paper. The twin towers cannot, under any circumstance, be compared to any conventional high rise building ever before built, fire or no fire.

The only basis for your argument is bigotry, racism, and hate, the most blinding forces in the universe--in terms of destruction of the human spirit, forces more powerful than a thermonuclear bomb.

I hear Amazon has Korans, prayer rugs, and koos koos on sale. Why don't you stock up. You could have a helluva Ramadan celebration giving gifts to all your Islamic buds.
I know what a "great amount of fire" is,... (show quote)

Me thinks blade is hitting the "reply" button. Not quote reply. Hitting reply doesn't bring the quote to the box. Maybe I'm wrong. I've never been wrong but once... Then I just thought I was wrong......

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Oct 31, 2017 13:36:29   #
Stevewhatchamacallit Loc: Tennessee
 
Nickolai wrote:
You can toss it of Don but the evidence is compelling and the fact that building seven was brought in a controlled demolition means the building had to be pre rigged for demolition because Firemen do not have the ability to bring down a 42 story building those facts causes a second and longer harder look at the twin towers and we see further evidence of controlled demolition it the one was rigged it stands to reason that all three were rigged. Ehud Barak prime Minister of Israel from 1999 to 2002 was interviewed in London one hour after the attack and his response was a dead give away that he had advanced knowledge of the attack he called for a global war on terrorism led by the US he wanted to blame Bin Laden in Afghanistan and showed no surprise or shock a dead give away and I would not trust Netanyahu as far as I could throw him. What better a deal but to get the American people to hate Israel's enemies and go to war against them. Why have we been training and arming the Syrian rebels ? Syria has never done America any harm.
You can toss it of Don but the evidence is compell... (show quote)


Anyone here watch "Stuxnet?" I think it was a documentary... Maybe a movie. I want to somewhat believe a doc but anyone can lie. Supposedly. The CIA developed the software that enabled one to control a controller that sometimes can control the speed of a motor. The program was used to cause the motors on Iran's centrifuges that spun material at certain speeds to make nuclear material.
The program was given to Israel who had an insider slip into a USB port in Iran's computers controlling the centrifuges speed. At a given time the program sped up the motors so fast the whole operation demolished the centerfurges.
Point I'm getting to is the CIA denies developing it naturally... And told Israel not to use it. That's the story but its not the end of the story, unfortunately. The program was later discovered by hackers who spread it to other hackers now all kinds of bad people have the program and have been using it to control controllers all over the world causing power plants to shut down and other critical infrastructures to be able to be controlled by bad actors. In otherwords our CIA developed a program that got out ( thanks to Net any Yahoo...) which can now make a nuclear power plant in any country go out of control and have a meltdown such as in Russia at its Chernoble plant. It's still burning under ground... I mean what would we do if someone tried to shut down CNN. WHERE WOOD WE GET OUR NEWS?

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Oct 31, 2017 14:54:43   #
payne1000
 
Stevewhatchamacallit wrote:
Ohhhhh....ok! I stand corrected...


Steve,
Why don't you ask BR to produce photos of the damage he claims happened to WTC7 from the fall of the North Tower?
Also ask BR why WTC7 would fall straight down into its own footprint when all the alleged damage was to one side of the tower.
Controlled demolition experts take weeks to months to prepare a skyscraper to fall like WTC7 fell.
All the supporting columns have to be cut at the same instant for a skyscraper to fall straight down at free-fall speed.

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