There is much ado about unduing what we have: As one side escalates so then does the other. We both live in this country & we don't see eye to eye. This country fought one or the...

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

As one side escalates so then does the other.

We both live in this country & we don't see eye to eye.

This country fought one or the bloodiest Civil Wars ever.

I can not join in an armed attacked on the government in this country.

There is no guaranty that what ever replaces what we have now will even be as good as what we have now.

But the undertakes will have a field day.

I am not pleased with much that is going on & do not wish to be caught in the middle of any fighting going on.

I only wish to be a voice for cooler heads to prevail.

CowboyMilt

Floyd Brown wrote:

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CowboyMilt

GOOD LUCK ON ALL THAT!!!

Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA

Floyd Brown wrote:

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I have the same desires for this country that you do. I wish for solutions that will bring us back together again. However, in the mental health outpatient clinic I worked in, we were taught that to deescalate a situation we needed to speak more softly, not louder. It mostly seemed to work in the clinic, not so much in this out-of-control society we live in now. Voices of reason seem to be summarily dismissed. I don't know what the answer is. I only know that, like you, I refuse to join the loud naysayers and those calling for anarchy.

Artemis

Floyd Brown wrote:

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It has a great deal to do with attitude. Some hold onto the past in fear what may lay ahead with change, never viewing the possibility of the change moving forward to be positive and for the betterment, they only envision the worse case scenario.

Some of the fears:
fear of losing their guns
fear of the country changing to some other form of dictatorial government
fear of money being taken away from them and given to another
fear of losing their rights which still falls under a dictatorship and they will come and confiscate their properties.

These are all fears of the future which is all in our heads as it is not here yet. Then the fear is attached to a party of people who has allegedly caused this fear to manifest, and with that attachment comes blame and anger which is directed to this present enemy, which inconveniently and unfortunately turns out to be other Americans.

Artemis

Searching wrote:

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I'm with both of you, :thumbup: People who are afraid do not get enough reaffirmation that things will be OK, they listen to the constant negative diatribe from the media. The media uses this dialog to get people to tune in, not validating the long term damage they are doing with in our society's. We are hardly shown the good intentions that are about everyday, with people helping people.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

Sounds just like an old 'Colonial Crown Loyalist' for King George III, which was why only 30% of the American colonists actually fought for the USA's independence, the rest were either cowards, or loyalists to the Crown. Our federal government today is nothing even close to what our constitution says it's supposed to be, or the 'Founding Fathers' left us as our 'Heritage', and that is because good people stood by and did nothing, while the usurpations took place and are now common place and set by precedent. As a lad in school and while reading history, which was a favorite subject of mine, I would often wonder what I would have done had I been in the same position of those in the history books were, after reading what they had done. My parents being exceptional at teaching right from wrong, I decided and knew I would have done approximately the same as our 'Founding Fathers' did, and was probably why after graduating from high school in 1967, I joined the US Marine Corps, instead of deserting my country and going to Canada to avoid the military draft because of the Vietnam War. Apparently Floyd Brown, if my age, probably spent quite some time in Canada, and if not, then is a crown loyalist to the fascism that the federal government employs today to rule over the American people, and one has to go no further than Oregon this last week to see that attitude by our federal government in action, as an American patriot was assassinated while walking with his arms and hands raised high in the air, to surrender after being shot at without provocation while driving himself and others to a meeting with the local Sheriff, and which even though he was armed, never once did he or any of his companions even attempt to return fire when being fired upon first, again without provocation. And for those who don't want to believe this, besides the eye-witness testimony of this being true, there are video tapes that show that this is exactly what happened, and when the victim grabbed his side where he was shot, the normal thing for any human being to do, the government claims he was going for a nonexistent gun, because his gun was strapped much lower to his right thigh, for which he never once reached for, as the video clearly shows, to justify shooting him several more times, even as he lay in the snow dying, and eventually killing him, never once trying to assist him by giving first aid after he was shot many times and was obviously incapacitated. These killing actions without provocation, and the medical non-actions that followed, can only be described and defined as a political 'ASSASSINATION'. But Floyd Brown says we should accept this without any response, especially not of the kind the American colonist took when they suffered the same from King George III of Great Britain. Just as we did after the atrocities of Ruby Ridge, and the history of the federal governments criminality in that incident also, for which a federal judge berated and denigrated the federal government for. So, 'Loyalist to Fascism', or coward, I wonder which, but it really doesn't matter, because both are horrible for the human condition, and shows a huge lack of good character and judgement.

Floyd Brown wrote:

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Sons of Liberty Loc: look behind you!

Randy131 wrote:

Sounds just like an old 'Colonial Crown Loyalist' for King George III, which was why only 30% of the American colonists actually fought for the USA's independence, the rest were either cowards, or loyalists to the Crown. Our federal government today is nothing even close to what our constitution says it's supposed to be, or the 'Founding Fathers' left us as our 'Heritage', and that is because good people stood by and did nothing, while the usurpations took place and are now common place and set by precedent. As a lad in school and while reading history, which was a favorite subject of mine, I would often wonder what I would have done had I been in the same position of those in the history books were, after reading what they had done. My parents being exceptional at teaching right from wrong, I decided and knew I would have done approximately the same as our 'Founding Fathers' did, and was probably why after graduating from high school in 1967, I joined the US Marine Corps, instead of deserting my country and going to Canada to avoid the military draft because of the Vietnam War. Apparently Floyd Brown, if my age, probably spent quite some time in Canada, and if not, then is a crown loyalist to the fascism that the federal government employs today to rule over the American people, and one has to go no further than Oregon this last week to see that attitude by our federal government in action, as an American patriot was assassinated while walking with his arms and hands raised high in the air, to surrender after being shot at without provocation while driving himself and others to a meeting with the local Sheriff, and which even though he was armed, never once did he or any of his companions even attempt to return fire when being fired upon first, again without provocation. And for those who don't want to believe this, besides the eye-witness testimony of this being true, there are video tapes that show that this is exactly what happened, and when the victim grabbed his side where he was shot, the normal thing for any human being to do, the government claims he was going for a nonexistent gun, because his gun was strapped much lower to his right thigh, for which he never once reached for, as the video clearly shows, to justify shooting him several more times, even as he lay in the snow dying, and eventually killing him, never once trying to assist him by giving first aid after he was shot many times and was obviously incapacitated. These killing actions without provocation, and the medical non-actions that followed, can only be described and defined as a political 'ASSASSINATION'. But Floyd Brown says we should accept this without any response, especially not of the kind the American colonist took when they suffered the same from King George III of Great Britain. Just as we did after the atrocities of Ruby Ridge, and the history of the federal governments criminality in that incident also, for which a federal judge berated and denigrated the federal government for. So, 'Loyalist to Fascism', or coward, I wonder which, but it really doesn't matter, because both are horrible for the human condition, and shows a huge lack of good character and judgement.

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:thumbup: :thumbup: Lock & Load! :thumbup: :thumbup:

boatbob2

hey FLOYD,you sound like one of the MANY AMERICAN PUSSIES,that will stand on the sidelines,and cry,while people like me,carry the fight to the enemy,then want to ride on our coat tails in the VICTORY PARADE.

Artemis

Randy131 wrote:

Sounds just like an old 'Colonial Crown Loyalist' for King George III, which was why only 30% of the American colonists actually fought for the USA's independence, the rest were either cowards, or loyalists to the Crown. Our federal government today is nothing even close to what our constitution says it's supposed to be, or the 'Founding Fathers' left us as our 'Heritage', and that is because good people stood by and did nothing, while the usurpations took place and are now common place and set by precedent. As a lad in school and while reading history, which was a favorite subject of mine, I would often wonder what I would have done had I been in the same position of those in the history books were, after reading what they had done. My parents being exceptional at teaching right from wrong, I decided and knew I would have done approximately the same as our 'Founding Fathers' did, and was probably why after graduating from high school in 1967, I joined the US Marine Corps, instead of deserting my country and going to Canada to avoid the military draft because of the Vietnam War. Apparently Floyd Brown, if my age, probably spent quite some time in Canada, and if not, then is a crown loyalist to the fascism that the federal government employs today to rule over the American people, and one has to go no further than Oregon this last week to see that attitude by our federal government in action, as an American patriot was assassinated while walking with his arms and hands raised high in the air, to surrender after being shot at without provocation while driving himself and others to a meeting with the local Sheriff, and which even though he was armed, never once did he or any of his companions even attempt to return fire when being fired upon first, again without provocation. And for those who don't want to believe this, besides the eye-witness testimony of this being true, there are video tapes that show that this is exactly what happened, and when the victim grabbed his side where he was shot, the normal thing for any human being to do, the government claims he was going for a nonexistent gun, because his gun was strapped much lower to his right thigh, for which he never once reached for, as the video clearly shows, to justify shooting him several more times, even as he lay in the snow dying, and eventually killing him, never once trying to assist him by giving first aid after he was shot many times and was obviously incapacitated. These killing actions without provocation, and the medical non-actions that followed, can only be described and defined as a political 'ASSASSINATION'. But Floyd Brown says we should accept this without any response, especially not of the kind the American colonist took when they suffered the same from King George III of Great Britain. Just as we did after the atrocities of Ruby Ridge, and the history of the federal governments criminality in that incident also, for which a federal judge berated and denigrated the federal government for. So, 'Loyalist to Fascism', or coward, I wonder which, but it really doesn't matter, because both are horrible for the human condition, and shows a huge lack of good character and judgement.

Sounds just like an old 'Colonial Crown Loyalist' ... (show quote)

Corey Jones
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3282004/Black-church-musician-shot-dead-cops-breaking-highway-bought-gun-three-days-killed-body.html

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/15/justice/north-carolina-
police-shooting/ on Jonathan Ferrell

Christian Taylor

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/08/us/texas-dealership-shooting/

Are you as outraged over these people also?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/08/us/texas-dealership-shooting/

Something does need to be addressed every time.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

boatbob2 wrote:

hey FLOYD,you sound like one of the MANY AMERICAN PUSSIES,that will stand on the sidelines,and cry,while people like me,carry the fight to the enemy,then want to ride on our coat tails in the VICTORY PARADE.

If you wish to revolt you needed a plan. One that spells out just how you are going to go about making the changes.

The thing is that there is no really victory when you kill people to get your way. I don't think that there will be any Coat Tails I would like to be a part of.

If I was able to live though it.. The system that was left would for the most part be worse than the one we have now.

The big thing is that there would be less people around to be a part of it..

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Floyd Brown wrote:

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Thankfully there are more people that think this way than one might think based on the comments on OPP.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I find it really interesting that many of the folks here use "armed revolt ideology" that was central to Marxist and Communist strategy.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Floyd Brown wrote:

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I also try to be reasonable, but reasonable doesn't play. It appears that we are becoming a virtual society, whereby we treat life as though it were a reality show - and there are no real consequences for what we say or do.

Hate, vitriol, idealism, rumor, innuendo, scandal, argument, etc. - these things excite us, motivate us and consume us. Reason, calm, discussion, logic, cooperation, etc. - these things are boring, uninteresting and don't attract anyone.

It is easy to hate when you're not face to face with those you hate and in the virtual world - we never have to. Peace, of any sort, would bore us to death, so we're not having any of it - and if it ever threatened to break out spontaneously - someone will be sure to throw a new enemy at us, to get the hate started all over again.

boatbob2

OH YES,why don't you guys ask obozo,to please change his mind,about destroying AMERICA,AND GO BACK TO COCK SUCKING........

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

lpnmajor wrote:

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I agree with pretty much all you say lpn. But I don't think it has to always be this way. As those who use logic and reason continue to speak up and focus on attacking issues instead of people, we will (albeit slowly) move towards peace.

The crying baby always gets the most attention, but it's the calm parents that actually get things resolved.