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Nov 15, 2015 17:31:24   #
RWNJ
 
cesspool jones wrote:
It won't be liberal land Hollywood...they love Mohammad


We'd need a producer and director with a set of balls to do it. The muzzies will go crazy when they see it. It does not paint a flattering image of their 'prophet'. But it does tell the truth.

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Nov 15, 2015 17:51:14   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
payne1000 wrote:
"&#65279; Those who claim that this destructive cult’s ideology reflects some essential aspect of Islam are obscuring its origins—in George W. Bush’s illegal war that destroyed Iraq and fomented sectarian extremism."

&#65279;Last week a debate erupted over how “Islamic” the so-called “Islamic State” group (ISIS or ISIL) in Syria and Iraq is, and whether it is legitimate to speak of “Islamic” terrorism. It was provoked in part by a Graeme Wood article in The Atlantic and President Obama’s speech to a conference on Combating Violent Extremism. Obama was slammed by former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani as allegedly not loving America, in part because he declined to speak of “Islamic” terrorism. On Sunday, former defense secretary Paul Wolfowitz, interviewed on CNN’s State of the Union show, called Obama’s refusal to use the phrase “Islamic terrorism” “silly,” saying, “I think people understand that Islam has something to do with what we’re fighting, and when you deny it, you lose a lot of support.” This debate is actually about what philosophers call “essentialism,” and, as Giuliani’s and Wolfowitz’s own interventions make clear, it is about absolving the United States for its own role in producing the violent so-called “Caliphate” of Ibrahim al-Baghdadi.

The question of phraseology is easily dealt with. The word “Islamic” in Arabic, and in English as well, has to do with the ideals of the Muslim religion. It is thus analogous to the word “Judaic.” We speak of “Islamic ethics” as a field of study, just as we do “Judaic ethics.” Not all Muslims or Jews conform to the ethics preached in their religious traditions. Some are even criminals. But then they are Muslim criminals and Jewish criminals. They are not Islamic criminals and Judaic criminals. Likewise in Catholicism, one speaks of Patristic theology, referring to the religious ideas of the Church fathers, but wouldn’t talk of bad priests steeped in that theology as Patristic criminals. It is because both in Arabic and in other languages “Islamic” refers to the ideals of the Muslim religion that both Muslims and people with good English diction object strenuously to a phrase such as “Islamic terrorism” or “Islamic fascism” (fascism was an invention of Christian Europe, in any case).

Those, like Giuliani, who insist on speaking of “Islamic terrorism” want to shape our language so as to imply that the Islamic tradition authorizes the deployment of terrorism, which the US federal code defines as using violence or criminal activities to intimidate civilians or government for political purposes, with the implication that the perpetrators are themselves nonstate actors. But the Islamic legal tradition forbids terrorism defined in that way. Moreover, Muslim academics contend that the Koran, the Muslim scripture, sanctions only defensive war. Giuliani does not know more about the Koran than they do.

Read more . . . http://www.thenation.com/article/how-islamic-islamic-state/
i "&#65279; Those who claim that this de... (show quote)


Anyone with any sense, realizes that "Islam" is a means to an end for the leaders of jihadi groups. It's a useful propaganda tool, nothing more. Just as the catholic Church used THEIR religion to control the masses in medieval times ( or more accurately, control their pocketbooks ) so does the jihadist use THEIR religion for the same purpose.

How many cults here in the US, have used the same tactic, to gain riches and power? 100? It's not new by any means - nor id the denseness that allows it to work, time and time again. When you KNOW you're being played - STOP PLAYING!

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Nov 15, 2015 18:09:58   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Anyone with any sense, realizes that "Islam" is a means to an end for the leaders of jihadi groups. It's a useful propaganda tool, nothing more. Just as the catholic Church used THEIR religion to control the masses in medieval times ( or more accurately, control their pocketbooks ) so does the jihadist use THEIR religion for the same purpose.

How many cults here in the US, have used the same tactic, to gain riches and power? 100? It's not new by any means - nor id the denseness that allows it to work, time and time again. When you KNOW you're being played - STOP PLAYING!
Anyone with any sense, realizes that "Islam&q... (show quote)


That was then. This is now. Christianity has come alot longer than Islam.

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Nov 15, 2015 19:30:24   #
payne1000
 
RWNJ wrote:
Why don't you just read the book. You might learn something. But you won't, because you're afraid of the truth. And who are YOU, and why should anyone listen to you?


Why should anyone listen to me?
It might be because I'm one of the few on this forum who can figure out what makes sense.

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Nov 15, 2015 19:38:14   #
payne1000
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Anyone with any sense, realizes that "Islam" is a means to an end for the leaders of jihadi groups. It's a useful propaganda tool, nothing more. Just as the catholic Church used THEIR religion to control the masses in medieval times ( or more accurately, control their pocketbooks ) so does the jihadist use THEIR religion for the same purpose.

How many cults here in the US, have used the same tactic, to gain riches and power? 100? It's not new by any means - nor id the denseness that allows it to work, time and time again. When you KNOW you're being played - STOP PLAYING!
Anyone with any sense, realizes that "Islam&q... (show quote)


"Judaic terrorism" was used to steal Palestine from the Palestinians. Judaic terrorism is still being used today to continue to steal land from Palestinians. Zionists have one huge advantage over Islam because they now own all major media corporations in the U.S. That way Zionists can control public opinion which also explains why there are so many Islamophobes on this forum.

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Nov 15, 2015 19:55:20   #
RWNJ
 
payne1000 wrote:
Why should anyone listen to me?
It might be because I'm one of the few on this forum who can figure out what makes sense.


LOL! Says who? Tell you what. Why don't you read it? Then you can dazzle us all, by picking it apart and telling how he's wrong.

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Nov 16, 2015 08:42:13   #
payne1000
 
RWNJ wrote:
LOL! Says who? Tell you what. Why don't you read it? Then you can dazzle us all, by picking it apart and telling how he's wrong.


Attempting to analyze any religion is a waste of time.
It would be the same as trying to analyze a superstition.
Unfortunately evolution has not progressed enough for all religions to be abandoned and common sense to prevail.

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Nov 16, 2015 08:48:42   #
VladimirPee
 
Christian Criminals are not following the teachings of Christ
Muslim criminals are those who follow the teachings of Mohammed to the letter.


payne1000 wrote:
"&#65279; Those who claim that this destructive cult’s ideology reflects some essential aspect of Islam are obscuring its origins—in George W. Bush’s illegal war that destroyed Iraq and fomented sectarian extremism."

&#65279;Last week a debate erupted over how “Islamic” the so-called “Islamic State” group (ISIS or ISIL) in Syria and Iraq is, and whether it is legitimate to speak of “Islamic” terrorism. It was provoked in part by a Graeme Wood article in The Atlantic and President Obama’s speech to a conference on Combating Violent Extremism. Obama was slammed by former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani as allegedly not loving America, in part because he declined to speak of “Islamic” terrorism. On Sunday, former defense secretary Paul Wolfowitz, interviewed on CNN’s State of the Union show, called Obama’s refusal to use the phrase “Islamic terrorism” “silly,” saying, “I think people understand that Islam has something to do with what we’re fighting, and when you deny it, you lose a lot of support.” This debate is actually about what philosophers call “essentialism,” and, as Giuliani’s and Wolfowitz’s own interventions make clear, it is about absolving the United States for its own role in producing the violent so-called “Caliphate” of Ibrahim al-Baghdadi.

The question of phraseology is easily dealt with. The word “Islamic” in Arabic, and in English as well, has to do with the ideals of the Muslim religion. It is thus analogous to the word “Judaic.” We speak of “Islamic ethics” as a field of study, just as we do “Judaic ethics.” Not all Muslims or Jews conform to the ethics preached in their religious traditions. Some are even criminals. But then they are Muslim criminals and Jewish criminals. They are not Islamic criminals and Judaic criminals. Likewise in Catholicism, one speaks of Patristic theology, referring to the religious ideas of the Church fathers, but wouldn’t talk of bad priests steeped in that theology as Patristic criminals. It is because both in Arabic and in other languages “Islamic” refers to the ideals of the Muslim religion that both Muslims and people with good English diction object strenuously to a phrase such as “Islamic terrorism” or “Islamic fascism” (fascism was an invention of Christian Europe, in any case).

Those, like Giuliani, who insist on speaking of “Islamic terrorism” want to shape our language so as to imply that the Islamic tradition authorizes the deployment of terrorism, which the US federal code defines as using violence or criminal activities to intimidate civilians or government for political purposes, with the implication that the perpetrators are themselves nonstate actors. But the Islamic legal tradition forbids terrorism defined in that way. Moreover, Muslim academics contend that the Koran, the Muslim scripture, sanctions only defensive war. Giuliani does not know more about the Koran than they do.

Read more . . . http://www.thenation.com/article/how-islamic-islamic-state/
i "&#65279; Those who claim that this de... (show quote)

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Nov 16, 2015 09:21:34   #
payne1000
 
VladimirPee wrote:
Christian Criminals are not following the teachings of Christ
Muslim criminals are those who follow the teachings of Mohammed to the letter.


Why are there so many Christian criminals?

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Nov 16, 2015 09:25:44   #
VladimirPee
 
Because there are many Christians.


payne1000 wrote:
Why are there so many Christian criminals?

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Nov 16, 2015 09:46:11   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
payne1000 wrote:
Why are there so many Christian criminals?


To rip yer head off and shoved up yer ass

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Nov 16, 2015 10:10:24   #
payne1000
 
cesspool jones wrote:
To rip yer head off and shoved up yer ass


Christians practice beheadings?

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Nov 16, 2015 10:17:36   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
payne1000 wrote:
Christians practice beheadings?


When they find you

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Nov 16, 2015 10:30:01   #
payne1000
 
cesspool jones wrote:
When they find you


I've always thought those Muslims blamed for beheadings might really be Christian mercenaries.

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Nov 16, 2015 11:39:25   #
RWNJ
 
payne1000 wrote:
Why are there so many Christian criminals?


I'm not saying there aren't Christian criminals. After all, King David committed murder to get the wife of another man. Even though God forgave him, he paid a terrible price for it.

I am saying that it is likely that major crimes committed by Christians are not really committed by Christians. In other words, they are not really Christians.

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