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Oct 19, 2015 17:41:02   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
moldyoldy wrote:
So, are you ready to stop giving welfare to the corporations?


If you read what she has to say I think any body but a Liberal getting government money is okay.

Sue wishes to be back when every thing was good for her kind & others stayed where they belonged..

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Oct 19, 2015 17:44:48   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Tasine wrote:
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Floyd, do you believe that one deserves what he makes on his job? If he deserves what he makes, who then gets to decide how much of it he can keep?


In you world those that have can have more those with less deserve less.

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Oct 19, 2015 22:56:39   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
In you world those that have can have more those with less deserve less.

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No answer to my question? Wimp!!!! Socialist WIMP!!!!

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Oct 20, 2015 01:16:12   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Tasine wrote:
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No answer to my question? Wimp!!!! Socialist WIMP!!!!


Dear Tasine: Do you feel that money should be worth more than Human effort & be taxed at a lower rate.

How do you feel about passing on wealth & avoiding capital gains taxes?

Do you feel that it is just fine that our system of money is based on debt & we pay interest on it.

How do you feel about fractional banking.

You seem to feel it is just fine to have your pockets picked in the market place. By a greedy few that will never have enough of your money.

Heaven forbid some poor soul gets a couple of dollars of your money.

The world is in a mess & you fail to look at the whole picture of why it is so.

Tell me how having the bankers getting more money helps a small or any business for that mater better that the man on the street getting a few dollars to buy things.

I don't know about you but I have a few dollars in the bank & they want to use my money to make money & then charge me to hold my money.

What ever it is that you seem to want to offer in fixing the issue misses the point. You seem to wish for a return to what may seem to have been better times.

I don't know about you put the dollars I have now don't go as far as they once did. Could that be because the value of my labor has not kept pace with the value some get for their input.

Don't get me wrong I am getting by. But the world around me is collapsing. It is not about my losing any thing. It is harder to keep pace & being exposed to a sea of people that do things to get along that makes the system unsettled.

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Oct 20, 2015 10:00:23   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Dear Tasine: Do you feel that money should be worth more than Human effort & be taxed at a lower rate.

How do you feel about passing on wealth & avoiding capital gains taxes?

Do you feel that it is just fine that our system of money is based on debt & we pay interest on it.

How do you feel about fractional banking.

You seem to feel it is just fine to have your pockets picked in the market place. By a greedy few that will never have enough of your money.

Heaven forbid some poor soul gets a couple of dollars of your money.

The world is in a mess & you fail to look at the whole picture of why it is so.

Tell me how having the bankers getting more money helps a small or any business for that mater better that the man on the street getting a few dollars to buy things.

I don't know about you but I have a few dollars in the bank & they want to use my money to make money & then charge me to hold my money.

What ever it is that you seem to want to offer in fixing the issue misses the point. You seem to wish for a return to what may seem to have been better times.

I don't know about you put the dollars I have now don't go as far as they once did. Could that be because the value of my labor has not kept pace with the value some get for their input.

Don't get me wrong I am getting by. But the world around me is collapsing. It is not about my losing any thing. It is harder to keep pace & being exposed to a sea of people that do things to get along that makes the system unsettled.
Dear Tasine: Do you feel that money should be wort... (show quote)

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You don't answer MY question then slam me with dozens of YOUR questions?! As soon as you answer mine, I will answer yours........not until.

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Oct 21, 2015 01:24:52   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Tasine wrote:
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You don't answer MY question then slam me with dozens of YOUR questions?! As soon as you answer mine, I will answer yours........not until.


The game is being played with a stacked deck.

You keep saying it's the governments fault.

The government answers to the money. Most in government have been paid to do the bidding of those that paid them.

As to who says how much of the money one earns do they get to keep:

It all has to do with how much they earn. Some earn a lot & get to keep a lot. So much that what they have left over they invest to earn more.

For the last 30 years or so the average persons wages have not kept up with inflation.

The average person has no extra money to invest. Even money in savings accounts don't earn enough to keep up with inflation.

There is a lot pf wealth out there but it don't move very far from the top.

There is no longer money much moving in & out of the hands.

What money moves is mostly in an up ward way.

So then those that have get to keep most of what the earn. & those that are left just don't have enough left over to keep any thing.

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Oct 21, 2015 08:35:45   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
The game is being played with a stacked deck.

You keep saying it's the governments fault.

The government answers to the money. Most in government have been paid to do the bidding of those that paid them.

As to who says how much of the money one earns do they get to keep:

It all has to do with how much they earn. Some earn a lot & get to keep a lot. So much that what they have left over they invest to earn more.

For the last 30 years or so the average persons wages have not kept up with inflation.

The average person has no extra money to invest. Even money in savings accounts don't earn enough to keep up with inflation.

There is a lot pf wealth out there but it don't move very far from the top.

There is no longer money much moving in & out of the hands.

What money moves is mostly in an up ward way.

So then those that have get to keep most of what the earn. & those that are left just don't have enough left over to keep any thing.
The game is being played with a stacked deck. br ... (show quote)

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You did respond, though your response is very convoluted. I will, however, respond to your comments.

1.It IS the government's fault. If we elected and insisted on honest politicians, no one but tax dollars would be paying them. Whose fault is it that they agree to be "bought"? THEIRS, no one else's. All they have to do is say "NO".

2. If an employer thinks I am worthy of being paid 20 dollars an hour, then that is what I am entitled to. If I am entitled to it, NO ONE, including government is entitled to take FREE some of my earned money whether or not I want to give it to him.......that is called theft when I do it.....what makes it O.K. when government wants to do it? Government is belittling my work, my ambition, my goals in life, my livlihood, my capabilities - and YOU think that is O.K.?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

3. I, an American, am entitled to a life of liberty, and that includes my earnings, my land, my assets. Stripping me of any aspect of that life is unconstitutional and wrong. Even the government thinks it is wrong, even illegal. It arrests and convicts regular citizens who steal from me, but it feels it has the liberty to steal at will and at the point of a gun. Does nothing about this hit home????

4. I have no wealth, but I do share what I have. I could help MORE people than I already do if government allowed me to keep my earnings, but it has more important things to do with my money, like fund middle east terrorists.

5. There will never be a time when when EVERYONE is above the poverty line. Bear in mind that many, probably MOST poor people are poor because of poor judgement, poor decisions. Those are NOT my problems to solve. I can TRY to solve their problems for them, but I cannot force it. I have dealt with too many people who, no matter how far they go, no matter how much they earn, will wind up dirt poor - and that is not society's problem to solve. That is a self-induced poverty, and there is more of that around than I think you realize. Illegal drugs and booze aare a big part of it. It's hard to remain financially healthy when your drug habit costs you $1500.00 a day or when your drunkenness loses you everything you ever had. Mansions are great.......until you have wasted all you ever had.

6. Taking people's earnings and assets away from them destroys incentiveness, and that is the last thing America needs to lose. Why work extra hard when you KNOW government is going to steal a good portion of it? If people have no incentive to help themselves, all the help in the world is not going to change that.........our welfare state has produced a humongous gaggle of people who are no more fit to handle money than a gaggle of geese. Give a dead broke man $10.00 and he will spend it first on booze or drugs.......if there is any left over, he MAY eat some decent food.

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Oct 23, 2015 11:06:22   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Tasine wrote:
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You did respond, though your response is very convoluted. I will, however, respond to your comments.

1.It IS the government's fault. If we elected and insisted on honest politicians, no one but tax dollars would be paying them. Whose fault is it that they agree to be "bought"? THEIRS, no one else's. All they have to do is say "NO".

2. If an employer thinks I am worthy of being paid 20 dollars an hour, then that is what I am entitled to. If I am entitled to it, NO ONE, including government is entitled to take FREE some of my earned money whether or not I want to give it to him.......that is called theft when I do it.....what makes it O.K. when government wants to do it? Government is belittling my work, my ambition, my goals in life, my livlihood, my capabilities - and YOU think that is O.K.?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

3. I, an American, am entitled to a life of liberty, and that includes my earnings, my land, my assets. Stripping me of any aspect of that life is unconstitutional and wrong. Even the government thinks it is wrong, even illegal. It arrests and convicts regular citizens who steal from me, but it feels it has the liberty to steal at will and at the point of a gun. Does nothing about this hit home????

4. I have no wealth, but I do share what I have. I could help MORE people than I already do if government allowed me to keep my earnings, but it has more important things to do with my money, like fund middle east terrorists.

5. There will never be a time when when EVERYONE is above the poverty line. Bear in mind that many, probably MOST poor people are poor because of poor judgement, poor decisions. Those are NOT my problems to solve. I can TRY to solve their problems for them, but I cannot force it. I have dealt with too many people who, no matter how far they go, no matter how much they earn, will wind up dirt poor - and that is not society's problem to solve. That is a self-induced poverty, and there is more of that around than I think you realize. Illegal drugs and booze aare a big part of it. It's hard to remain financially healthy when your drug habit costs you $1500.00 a day or when your drunkenness loses you everything you ever had. Mansions are great.......until you have wasted all you ever had.

6. Taking people's earnings and assets away from them destroys incentiveness, and that is the last thing America needs to lose. Why work extra hard when you KNOW government is going to steal a good portion of it? If people have no incentive to help themselves, all the help in the world is not going to change that.........our welfare state has produced a humongous gaggle of people who are no more fit to handle money than a gaggle of geese. Give a dead broke man $10.00 and he will spend it first on booze or drugs.......if there is any left over, he MAY eat some decent food.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ br You did respond, thou... (show quote)


Yes you would like to a world of me me me. It is all about you.

Yes much of what is wrong with the world is people like you.

No matter how nice of a person you may seem to be or even are you are all screwed up in how you look at life.

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Oct 23, 2015 11:10:18   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Yes you would like to a world of me me me. It is all about you.

Yes much of what is wrong with the world is people like you.

No matter how nice of a person you may seem to be or even are you are all screwed up in how you look at life.

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I cannot believe you are as stupid as you seem to be. Do you have brain damage?

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Oct 23, 2015 11:15:06   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Tasine wrote:
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I cannot believe you are as stupid as you seem to be. Do you have brain damage?


Not any more than you are!

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