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Oct 18, 2015 10:06:57   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Okay the country is screwed up & so are most of Us.

Just what is it most of Us wish for as we face the task of getting through each day"

Just what is so great about the Fed & Banking system that has it's hold over all of Us?

Is it at he heart of Capitalism or a form of Socialism for the wealthy? It is picking every ones pockets & taking more money out of more pockets every day.

It is all about the money & those that have most get the most.

If you think that is a great way to run things then quit bitching.

We are losing our world to the few & greediest not to that poor man on the street.

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Oct 18, 2015 10:11:26   #
CowboyMilt
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Okay the country is screwed up & so are most of Us.

Just what is it most of Us wish for as we face the task of getting through each day"

Just what is so great about the Fed & Banking system that has it's hold over all of Us?

Is it at he heart of Capitalism or a form of Socialism for the wealthy? It is picking every ones pockets & taking more money out of more pockets every day.

It is all about the money & those that have most get the most.

If you think that is a great way to run things then quit bitching.

We are losing our world to the few & greediest not to that poor man on the street.
Okay the country is screwed up & so are most o... (show quote)


You don't think the poor man on the street who is partaking in our welfare system & medical system & etc. isn't draining from us as well?

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Oct 18, 2015 10:46:26   #
moldyoldy
 
CowboyMilt wrote:
You don't think the poor man on the street who is partaking in our welfare system & medical system & etc. isn't draining from us as well?


That is the fallacy in what we are told. They lump everything into that pot called welfare, but what happens if you take out the things we paid for out of our pay checks that congress spent on wars? Social security, medicare, unemployment, all paid out of pay checks. I paid for 53 years before I collected a few months unemployment. I think they made out good.

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Oct 18, 2015 10:48:16   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Okay the country is screwed up & so are most of Us.

Just what is it most of Us wish for as we face the task of getting through each day"

Just what is so great about the Fed & Banking system that has it's hold over all of Us?

Is it at he heart of Capitalism or a form of Socialism for the wealthy? It is picking every ones pockets & taking more money out of more pockets every day.

It is all about the money & those that have most get the most.

If you think that is a great way to run things then quit bitching.

We are losing our world to the few & greediest not to that poor man on the street.
Okay the country is screwed up & so are most o... (show quote)

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Floyd, do you believe that one deserves what he makes on his job? If he deserves what he makes, who then gets to decide how much of it he can keep?

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Oct 18, 2015 10:50:33   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Tasine wrote:
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Floyd, do you believe that one deserves what he makes on his job? If he deserves what he makes, who then gets to decide how much of it he can keep?

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Oct 19, 2015 02:09:54   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
CowboyMilt wrote:
You don't think the poor man on the street who is partaking in our welfare system & medical system & etc. isn't draining from us as well?


Of course they are but where is all of the money ending up?

Who is being asked to pick up the tab.
Who keeps getting the tax breaks

No it is not the same people..

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Oct 19, 2015 10:11:25   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Of course they are but where is all of the money ending up?

Who is being asked to pick up the tab.
Who keeps getting the tax breaks

No it is not the same people..

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And ALL THE FAULT lies with our government.

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Oct 19, 2015 10:20:19   #
moldyoldy
 
Tasine wrote:
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And ALL THE FAULT lies with our government.


So, are you ready to stop giving welfare to the corporations?

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Oct 19, 2015 13:02:20   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
moldyoldy wrote:
So, are you ready to stop giving welfare to the corporations?


YES!!! Our tax dollars supposedly exist for military, operation of government, infrastructure, AND NOTHING ELSE.

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Oct 19, 2015 13:12:15   #
moldyoldy
 
Tasine wrote:
YES!!! Our tax dollars supposedly exist for military, operation of government, infrastructure, AND NOTHING ELSE.



The army has been rejecting this tank for years, the air force rejects planes and still gets them. We waste billions on the military but spend peanuts on the soldiers.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/12/18/congress-again-buys-abrams-tanks-the-army-doesnt-want.html

The new defense spending bill includes $120 million for tanks that the Army has repeatedly said it doesn't want.

For three years, the Army in numerous Congressional hearings has pushed a plan that essentially would have suspended tank building and upgrades in the U.S. for the first time since World War II. The Army suggested that production lines could be kept open through foreign sales.

Each time, Congress has pushed back. Last week, Congress won again in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2015.

In a statement, Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio, said that Congress "recognizes the necessity of the Abrams tank to our national security and authorizes an additional $120 million for Abrams tank upgrades. This provision keeps the production lines open in Lima, Ohio, and ensures that our skilled, technical workers are protected."

Turner chairs the Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee of the House Armed Services Committee and will retain that position in the next Congress. The General Dynamics Land Systems plant in Lima, the only U.S. manufacturer of tanks, is in the district of Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio.

Turner's office did not respond to several requests for comment on why Congress went against the recommendation of Gen. Ray Odierno, the Army chief of staff, to suspend tank production.

Todd Harrison, a Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments analyst, said it was open to question whether the Army and the Marine Corps needed more tanks on top of the estimated 9,000 already in their inventories. However, he noted that it was not unusual for Congress to go against the military's recommendations on the budget.

"It's just one example and it's not unique to this year," Harrison said. "In some cases, Congress is using its appropriate role of oversight. In some cases, Congress can act out of purely parochial interests."

The tank debate between the Army and Congress goes back to 2012 when Odierno testified that "we don't need the tanks. Our tank fleet is two and a half years old on average now. We're in good shape and these are additional tanks that we don't need."

Odierno lost then too. Congress voted for another $183 million for tanks despite Odierno's argument that the Army was seeking to become a lighter force. He told the Associated Press at the time that "if we had our choice, we would use that money in a different way" than spending it on 70-ton Abrams tanks.

The current Abrams upgrade program approved by Congress in the NDAA calls for improving gas mileage by decreasing idle times and also calls for improvements to the tank's sights and sensors.

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Oct 19, 2015 13:23:54   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The army has been rejecting this tank for years, the air force rejects planes and still gets them. We waste billions on the military but spend peanuts on the soldiers.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/12/18/congress-again-buys-abrams-tanks-the-army-doesnt-want.html

The new defense spending bill includes $120 million for tanks that the Army has repeatedly said it doesn't want.

For three years, the Army in numerous Congressional hearings has pushed a plan that essentially would have suspended tank building and upgrades in the U.S. for the first time since World War II. The Army suggested that production lines could be kept open through foreign sales.

Each time, Congress has pushed back. Last week, Congress won again in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2015.

In a statement, Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio, said that Congress "recognizes the necessity of the Abrams tank to our national security and authorizes an additional $120 million for Abrams tank upgrades. This provision keeps the production lines open in Lima, Ohio, and ensures that our skilled, technical workers are protected."

Turner chairs the Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee of the House Armed Services Committee and will retain that position in the next Congress. The General Dynamics Land Systems plant in Lima, the only U.S. manufacturer of tanks, is in the district of Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio.

Turner's office did not respond to several requests for comment on why Congress went against the recommendation of Gen. Ray Odierno, the Army chief of staff, to suspend tank production.

Todd Harrison, a Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments analyst, said it was open to question whether the Army and the Marine Corps needed more tanks on top of the estimated 9,000 already in their inventories. However, he noted that it was not unusual for Congress to go against the military's recommendations on the budget.

"It's just one example and it's not unique to this year," Harrison said. "In some cases, Congress is using its appropriate role of oversight. In some cases, Congress can act out of purely parochial interests."

The tank debate between the Army and Congress goes back to 2012 when Odierno testified that "we don't need the tanks. Our tank fleet is two and a half years old on average now. We're in good shape and these are additional tanks that we don't need."

Odierno lost then too. Congress voted for another $183 million for tanks despite Odierno's argument that the Army was seeking to become a lighter force. He told the Associated Press at the time that "if we had our choice, we would use that money in a different way" than spending it on 70-ton Abrams tanks.

The current Abrams upgrade program approved by Congress in the NDAA calls for improving gas mileage by decreasing idle times and also calls for improvements to the tank's sights and sensors.
The army has been rejecting this tank for years, t... (show quote)

Our government theoretically exists for the good of America, not necessarily for the good of Americans, but the fact is that is doesn't exist for the good of America. It exists predominantly for the politicians who set a budget and write the laws and bankrupt the people. So why do we support it?

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Oct 19, 2015 13:30:16   #
Kevyn
 
CowboyMilt wrote:
You don't think the poor man on the street who is partaking in our welfare system & medical system & etc. isn't draining from us as well?

Wellfare is sort of a bribe, paid primarily by the middle and working class to the poor so the wealthy don't end up like the Russian royal family. Sadly the working class and what is left of the middle class resent the wrong people because they are living amongst us. Don't kid yourself, the fact that you are allowed to work yourself to death for the privilege of making payments on a car or decent house while some poor schmuck is washing cars or flipping hamburgers with his kid getting a subsidised school lunch doesn't mean you arn't part of the unwashed. The people who own this country are laughing at you as you kiss their ass and protect them. Your friends and allies are amongst you unnoticed as you consume your way through each day, not in the towers of wealth and power. You are toilet paper to people like Donald Trump, nothing but a way to keep shit off his hands.

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Oct 19, 2015 13:37:09   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Kevyn wrote:
Wellfare is sort of a bribe, paid primarily by the middle and working class to the poor so the wealthy don't end up like the Russian royal family. Sadly the working class and what is left of the middle class resent the wrong people because they are living amongst us. Don't kid yourself, the fact that you are allowed to work yourself to death for the privilege of making payments on a car or decent house while some poor schmuck is washing cars or flipping hamburgers with his kid getting a subsidised school lunch doesn't mean you arn't part of the unwashed. The people who own this country are laughing at you as you kiss their ass and protect them. Your friends and allies are amongst you unnoticed as you consume your way through each day, not in the towers of wealth and power. You are toilet paper to people like Donald Trump, nothing but a way to keep shit off his hands.
Wellfare is sort of a bribe, paid primarily by the... (show quote)

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I think you are a little confused. Most people can be unhappy with more than one group or one person at a time. I, for one, dislike everyone who is making America worse and worse and worse, and I don't care if they are poor, wealthy, educated, moronic, happy, unhappy, Christian or atheist. However, NONE would have the advantages and disadvantages they currently have if GOVERNMENT did not have its snout in every aspect of American life.

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Oct 19, 2015 13:56:40   #
Kevyn
 
Tasine wrote:
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I think you are a little confused. Most people can be unhappy with more than one group or one person at a time. I, for one, dislike everyone who is making America worse and worse and worse, and I don't care if they are poor, wealthy, educated, moronic, happy, unhappy, Christian or atheist. However, NONE would have the advantages and disadvantages they currently have if GOVERNMENT did not have its snout in every aspect of American life.
Well that clears things up, you are unhappy with damn near everyone and blame your problems on them and the elected government of the greatest nation in the history of the world. If that dosen't define an American patriot to a tee what does?

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Oct 19, 2015 15:03:31   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Kevyn wrote:
Well that clears things up, you are unhappy with damn near everyone and blame your problems on them and the elected government of the greatest nation in the history of the world. If that dosen't define an American patriot to a tee what does?


If that doesn't describe it, NOTHING does. I think it sad that you obviously feel MOST Americans are harming America. I don't dislike that many people because I think most Americans are good people. You don't. And I don't describe YOU as a patriot.

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