Jean Deaux

I can only conclude that you are correct. He follows their line to the end, in spite of any evidence to the contrary. What is he, a navy corporal? I think he would benefit from a visit to the USS Liberty and see what his hero's are up to. One false flag after another and then top it off with the 9-11 event. As far as blade runner is concerned, I'm ignoring his pathetic attempts from here on it.

Jean Deaux

We lost our house in a forest fire several years ago and I had occasion to talk to a fire inspector. He stated that the fire had been over 2000 degrees and I asked him how he could be certain. He said that is the heat required to turn bathroom fixtures, toilets, sinks bathtubs to ash.

payne1000

The highest recorded temperature in a forest fire is 2300 degrees F. This would not have caused all the molten steel observed in WTC wreckage.

Here's what could have:

TOP TEN REASONS THE WTC COLLAPSE WAS A NUCLEAR EVENT

1. Thyroid cancer occurs at above-average frequency in 9/11 first responders more than any other type of cancer (see full post for citations). This is a signature of nuclear bombs; they emit iodine-131, which collects in the thyroid, often causing cancer. (This is why some people keep potassium iodide tablets on hand—to protect their thyroid glands in case of a nuclear attack.)

2. World Trade Center dust samples examined by the United States Geological Survey (USGS) found Uranium, Strontium, Barium, Thorium, and other products of nuclear fission, in high concentrations that only an atomic blast could explain. Although the Survey avoided calling attention to the significance, William Tahil vetted it in his pioneering 2006 book Ground Zero: The Nuclear Demolition of the World Trade Centre. (The phrase “ground zero,” incidentally, had only been applied to nuclear detonation sites prior to 9/11.)

3. There was molten steel underneath the rubble of the World Trade Center, whose fires kept burning for over three months. Extraordinary heat is yet another signature of a nuclear bomb.

(Note: I’m aware that molten steel was seen at a corner of the South Tower before its collapse; I don’t doubt that pre-planted explosives were in the Towers, probably including the incendiary thermite, but I don’t believe these explosives were what destroyed the WTC. To clarify, each Tower had six basement levels, and the thesis of my full post—which I had excellent assistance with—is that each Tower was destroyed by a suitcase nuke positioned at the lowest point in either building: the services pits beneath elevator 50. This was the only elevator that ran the full length of either Tower, and the only elevator whose service pits were carved into the bedrock beneath the World Trade Center. This location would make the ideal “launching pad” for a nuke, as the bedrock would contain the sideways and downward force of a nuclear explosion, which would follow the path of least resistance up through the shaft. See the full post for diagrams.)

4. The Towers did not simply “fall,” they exploded, throwing chunks of steel weighing multiple tons hundreds of feet outward

5. The Towers’ inner contents were vaporized: no furniture, filing cabinets (except one), computers, or toilets survived. All turned into dust. Even the buildings’ concrete became dust, instead of falling as chunks of debris. The vaporization, of course, included the people inside (whole bodies that were found belonged to people who jumped before the Towers disintegrated). Not only is a nuclear bomb the most powerful explosive known, its blast—unlike conventional explosives—endures for several seconds, enabling it to inflict considerably more damage.

6. At the times of the two Tower “collapses,” seismographs at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York, recorded enormous off-the-chart spikes consistent with huge explosions.

7. A nuclear blast explains the damage to the rest of the World Trade Center. Buildings 5 and 7 suffered enormous fires, and building 6 was cratered out. These phenomena could not have begun before the Towers’ destruction; otherwise, videos of the burning Towers would have shown additional smoke plumes, and cameras would have panned to the blazes.

Nuclear blasts originating at the lowest levels of the Twin Towers may provide the answer. Underground the World Trade Center was interconnected by pipes, not only for sewage, but a 3-foot-wide storm water drainage system.

Any building’s place at greatest risk for flooding is its lowest point. For the Twin Towers, this would have been Elevator 50’s service pits. From here flood water would be pumped through pipes to the 36-inch storm drain. Thus atomic blasts here would not only follow the path of least resistance through Elevator 50’s shaft, but through the 36-inch storm water drain, traveling through the underground pipes and shooting up through buildings 5, 6 and 7, igniting them. Falling debris could not have caused the raging internal fires seen in the smaller buildings; edifices outside the World Trade Center (American Express Building, Winter Garden Atrium) were heavily impacted by debris, but they did not catch fire. THEY WERE NOT CONNECTED TO THE WTC’S UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE SYSTEM.

8. On 9/11, New Yorkers fled two terrifying dust clouds that engulfed the area surrounding the WTC. Anyone who watches videos of nuclear bombs detonating will see that they create sprawling ground-level clouds. Although building demolitions also routinely make dust clouds, the 9/11 ones seemed to have had a life of their own.

(A noteworthy observation in this film is that as people flee the cloud behind them, smoke is flowing up from the sewer drains in front of them. Since the World Trade Center’s underground pipes ultimately emptied into New York City’s sewer, this is further evidence of the secondary effects of an underground nuke. Continuous flow of nuclear smoke from the sewers might account for the “toasted cars” later noticed along the side streets.)

9. CIA asset Susan Lindauer (second cousin to Andrew Card, George W. Bush’s Chief of Staff) has stated that U.S. intelligence received advance warnings of the 9/11 attacks (her whistle-blowing eventually led to her being sent to a federal prison). According to Lindauer, the advance warning the CIA received included the destruction of the World Trade Center by a “mini-nuke.”3

10. In his 1995 book Fighting Terrorism, Israeli Prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu predicted:
"Such groups nullify the need to have air power or intercontinental missiles as delivery systems for an Islamic nuclear payload. They will be the delivery system. In the worst of such scenarios, the consequences could be not a car bomb but a nuclear bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center."
http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/07.17/911simplified.html

emarine

Nice collection of total bullshit... prove one statement... You are truly a twisted pup putz...

payne1000

You haven't rebutted any of it.
That's a pretty good indication it might be a tough rebut which you're not up to.

Normal explosives could not have melted all this stone under the Tower foundation.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You didn't watch the air crash investigation video, did you?

payne1000

What did I miss?

emarine

Show where its melted stone or did you make this up?...it was melted concrete according to you a while back... so which one?...liar

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

What happens to airplanes that hit solid or semi-rigid objects at high speeds.

MIT: Aircraft Impact Damage

payne1000

What difference does it make if it's melted stone or melted concrete?
It's probably a combination of both.
In the liar category, not many can top you.
You claimed Jon Magnusson was chief structural engineer for the World Trade Center.
Magnusson didn't graduate college until 1976.
The World Trade Center was constructed in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

payne1000

What happens to them is shown below.
Makes you wonder what happened to that 757 which allegedly hit the Pentagon.
Maybe it'll turn up in the same place as Malaysian Flight 370.

Steve700

Aren't you smart enough to realize that melted concrete turns to stone??? Probably from all the thermite.
Do you two stupid idiots see what the real wreckage from an airliner crash looks like. It even has seats and bodies not to mention a few tons of wreckage, and as is usual, a complete intact tail section. Why would anyone want to read your stupid nonsense. Opinions are like ass holes, everybody has one. Only a dumb ass fool like you two could believe nearly the entire plane just disintegrated into a mist and blew away. What is your explanation for those picture, and the difference at the Pentagon and in that field???????????? You know you got no answer, so what you guys going to do, just ignore the whole thing or come out with more cockamamie bull shit that a halfway intelligent child wouldn't believe ??????????????

emarine

That was a mistake not a lie...Jon Magnusson is CEO of the company that designed the towers & represented the engineers when explaining the collapse... he knows it was a gravity collapse with no form of explosives putz ... he is also one of the most awarded Architects on the planet... he is he best source on the towers except Robertson who won't give his opinion...

payne1000

Magnusson doesn't work on skyscrapers.
Maybe his failure to understand why they don't fall from fire damage prevents him from getting to work on tall buildings.
Robertson knows those towers didn't fall from fire damage. If he won't give an opinion it's because he doesn't want to lose his government contracts.

emarine

How do you know what Jon Magnusson works on ... I think you're lying again... I'm sure that Robertson wasn't hard up for work putz... I think Magnusson is expert enough to offer his opinion & a reliable source who shares my opinion on the collapse of the towers...

Jon Magnusson


Engineer of the Year 1999, President's Award 1988, SEAW President 1988, SEAW Seattle President 1997
 
Jon D. Magnusson received the BSCE from UW summa cum laude in 1975 and the MS from the University of California Berkeley in 1976, and went immediately to work with John Skilling.  As a young engineer, he designed notable projects such as One Union Square, Columbia Center, and Husky Stadium in Seattle.  Principal of the firm at age 30 and CEO at 34, Jon set the course for a firm honored with ACEC's top national award for structural engineering of buildings in 6 of the 10 years 1989-99, more than any other firm in the US.  With professional licensure in 24 states, Jon has led MKA as the firm worked on projects in 47 states and 49 countries, totaling over $73 billion worth of projects designed.
 
From the nomination for his 2003 recognition as an Honorary Member of the American Institute of Architects:
"As Chairman/CEO of Seattle-based engineering firm Skilling Ward Magnusson Barkshire [later Magnusson Klemenic Associates/MKA], Jon D. Magnusson (BSCE UW summa cum laude, MCE UC Berkeley) leads what many people consider the most creative consulting firm in the US today.  His design leadership has created and advanced a portfolio of completed projects in 43 states and 31 countries, recognized by national awards from the American Council of Engineering Companies (ACEC) in 11 of the last 16 years among 117 awards for engineering excellence -- and credit for 28 'world's firsts' in design.  In his native Washington, he served as Principal Structural Engineer on most of the Puget Sound's newest generation of landmarks, including Bellevue Art Museum, Benaroya Hall, Experience Music Project, Key Arena, Safeco Field, Seahawks Stadium, and the Seattle Central Library.  In 2002, ACEC of Washington named him Washington's Consulting Engineer of the Year; in addition, he has taken an active leadership role in national activities of ACEC and the engineering professions.

In the days and months following the tragedies of 9/11/01, Jon Magnusson helped Americans and the world to understand the miracle of engineering that allowed many to survive the attacks on the World Trade Center. The original engineering masterpiece, and Jon's articulate explanations, exemplify the highest values of design and the design professions. A dedicated partner in practice and ally in design, he has demonstrated outstanding and intelligent leadership in making design comprehensible and accessible, even to our youngest citizens, through his advocacy and his commitment to mentoring.

In 2001, Jon established a high school mentoring program in the Puget Sound area, known as the ACE Mentor Program, to expose students to architecture, construction, and engineering career opportunities."

Nationally, he has contributed his engineering expertise to many significant projects:  the design of a new football stadium on the University of Minnesota campus, as well as convention centers in Phoenix, Honolulu, and Minneapolis. Current projects [April 2012] include a complete reconstruction of the University of Washington Stadium and a new stadium for the San Francisco 49ers. He has contributed to the skyline and culture of his home in Seattle, providing structural engineering for the Experience Music Project, Safeco Field, Qwest Field, Key Arena, the Seattle Central Library and many other projects. He has previously served on the SEI Board of Governors and was recently recognized as a Distinguished Member of ASCE and as "Engineer of the Year" for the State of Washington, Honorary Member of the national American Institute of Architects, a Fellow of the Institution of Structural Engineers in London, and a past recipient of the ASCE Ernest E. Howard Award for contributions to the advancement of structural engineering. (Source: Structures April 2012)

Jon's community volunteering has engaged him with Water 1st International, the Boy Scouts, Seattle Rotary Club, Seattle Children's Hospital, and founding the ACE Mentor Program of Washington.

Jon joined SEAW in 1978, and served the organization as Refresher Course Chair, Long Range Planning Chair, 6 years on the Code Advisory committee including 2 years as Chair, 5 years on the Scholarship Committee, and State Representative to ICBO General Design Committee, in addition to his Board service.  In 2013 the UW College of Engineering honored him with its Diamond Award for Distinguished Achievement in Industry.  In 2014 the American Society of Civil Engineers honored him with its OPAL/Outstanding Projects and Leadership Award.
 
Updated June 2013.  Updated March 2014