jelun

I didn't get through this whole presentation, didn't want to lose it.
I do that with so much.
I wanted to get opinions as I don't agree with lots that is said here. I can't be sure if that is because I am tired or the gentleman (?) is wrong at some levels.
Anyway, I am hoping to get some input. j

http://medium.com/@aristoNYC/social-justice-bullies-the-authoritarianism-of-millennial-social-justice-6bdb5ad3c9d3

No permissions on this one, I can only use the link.

jelun

I am beginning to see what I was uncomfortable with.

http://spectator.org/articles/60184/bullies-social-justice

moldyoldy

It seems that the writer wants to use Reagans trickle down approach. Someday there will be equal justice for all, just wait and see. Fighting for what you believe in should not be allowed.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

It appears the author wants to be the good liberal that he was raised to be, but does not want to hurt the feelings of those who stand in the way of the changes he thinks are necessary.

The groups who resist social change naturally would think that change is a form of 'bullying'. Why should they change behaviors they are comfortable with? For example, gay marriage by county clerks: is it really bullying to ask gov't workers to treat all constituents equally?

What those groups, and apparently the author of the article, forget is that enforcing the status quo regardless of social justice questions, is itself a form of social bullying. By not recognizing the need for improvement in social issues, in fact resisting those changes is bullying. Without a formal mechanism for social change (e.g. amendments, judicial review) social bullying is actually done by those who resist change and enforce current injustices.

jelun

I think I am putting it together. Maybe.
The fear for this person who either never really was a lib or is one of those "before 40 no heart and and post 40 no brain" people is that youth are offensive.
The abrasiveness of some young folks, the DEMANDS are just too uncomfortable.

moldyoldy

In the very old days children should be seen and not heard. The same with gays, don't let me see you in public, don't protest injustice, don't challenge the system, I am comfortable, you should be too.

jelun

I understand the desire to say be patient.
The time for patience has come to an end. So yes, I think you may be onto the author's call for a trickle down justice and the fear that these new activists won't take trickle down for an answer.
How many lives should be lost? How many MORE lives...
This piece and one other speak to it so much better than I ever can.

http://mic.com/articles/122541/heres-why-white-people-need-to-stop-saying-all-lives-matter

moldyoldy

That was perfect, the analogy explains it so well.

jelun

And similar but a bit different is the take from this KOSer.
I am glad that I am getting the chance to explore this with you all. It is helping to explain this viewpoint without getting all strident and condescending.

Why Martin O'Malley and Bernie Sanders disappointed me this weekend
byShaun King

On this past Saturday, Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley were interrupted by protestors who, rightfully so, felt that such an interruption was necessary to get the two candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination to acknowledge and speak on the number of black women being killed in police custody in America. Both Sanders and O'Malley dropped the ball. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
Beyond struggling to speak intelligently and clearly on the issue, they actually did damage and offended people with statements like "white lives matter." They do, of course, matter, but saying so is about as about as necessary as saying we also need "white history month" when we already know we have 11 white history months, every March through January, with that ever-so-short reprieve coming each and every February.

Yes, Bernie has said "black lives matter" a few times. I get that, but he almost always has said so in the context of his own political philosophy and not in the context of the dire reforms needed with American policing. This weekend Sanders did acknowledge the in-custody death of Sandra Bland, which he almost certainly would not have done without the protest. But, as predicted, he stopped short of giving even a basic explanation on hard-core policies he hopes to have to protect women like Sandra Bland from the police.

Because here's the thing: Bernie likes to talk about improving the economy, and making health care available for all, and making education more affordable, but Sandra Bland was an educated, employed black woman. What she faced last week wouldn't have been stopped by a more equitable economy or universal health care. Not at all. More below.

The deaths of Tamir Rice or Rekia Boyd had nothing to do with economic injustice, but had everything to do with police who profile and kill African Americans at an alarming rate. In fact, more people have health care than have ever had it in America, and our economy is getting better and better, but all indications are that police in America are killing more people than ever before.

I can only speak for myself, but I'm tired of waiting to see how Bernie and Martin and Hillary will seriously address police brutality in America.

O'Malley rambled on about how he'd make it mandatory for police departments to report their brutality. That's old news. That has already been advocated and is being poorly executed by the government. This problem doesn't exist because we haven't measured it properly. It exists because it is going almost completely unchecked by our government.

I wanna know what your plan is to proactively address police brutality. Don't quote Dr. King. Tell me your plan.

How will body cameras be made mandatory and how will the management of the footage be organized and released to the public?

How will you advocate for independent prosecutors to handle all cases of police brutality since district attorneys and police departments are the two closest partners in law enforcement?

How will you ensure that clear cases of police brutality that are abandoned locally will get picked back up and credibly prosecuted on the federal level?

How will you advocate hard-core reforms that actually take hold on the state and local level?

In 2015, it's absurd that an issue so important to so many millions of people is still being handled with such inarticulate prose by our leading candidates for president. I'm frustrated by it and see a similar frustration growing rapidly across the country.

Corrupt and violent police officers and the prosecutors who bend the laws to protect them cannot and should not be treated with velvet gloves another damn day in this country. If the Democratic nominees don't pick up on this soon, I smell trouble.

ORIGINALLY POSTED TO SHAUNKING ON MON JUL 20, 2015 AT 10:41 AM PDT.

ALSO REPUBLISHED BY DAILY KOS.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/20/1403975/-Why-Martin-O-Malley-Bernie-Sanders-disappointed-me-this-weekend?detail=facebook

moldyoldy

Here is that social justice fight quote.

In 2015, it's absurd that an issue so important to so many millions of people is still being handled with such inarticulate prose by our leading candidates for president. I'm frustrated by it and see a similar frustration growing rapidly across the country.

jelun

I find the statements that I have seen about activists recently have been lacking in acceptance.
Maybe people have forgotten or never actually knew that even though the bulk of the civil rights movement was non-violent is was not without tensions and certainly disrupted people in their, or out of their, complacency.

Massachusetts is working on a law that carries a really hefty fine and pretty severe jail time for disrupting highway traffic. That seems unreasonable to me. People are dying and drivers can't have a commute disrupted? People who use public transportation have problems with transportation all the time.
What is truly amusing about that is when BPD went on strike a few years back they blocked the same highway that Black Lives Matter folks did last year and nothing was done.

jelun

And yet, as inarticulate as those on the left are... the right says...

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Give respect, and you will get respect.

Anigav6969

I actually thought the writer made some very good points....and I also think that if anyone is fighting for injustices, you have to be accurate with information given.....both sides can be guilty of exaggerating and changing data to favor their viewpoint......that's the main point I got from this article ( which I enjoyed ) if you're going to fight for something, make sure the data is correct...he gives good examples such as rape on campus and equal pay for women.....if one doesn't make sure the information is accurate, it assuredly is going to come back and bite you in the ass anyway....so get it right....there's no reason to exaggerate or misinform....there are plenty of injustices to fight for

jelun

Actually, what they have said, we are talking about candidates for president, absolutely NOTHING.
The Republicans running for office have not spoken to any social justice issues.