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Jun 25, 2015 15:15:14   #
boofhead
 
Unclet wrote:
Scalia, Thomas, and Alito should be put in quarantine until they learn to speak up before a decision is made. The rest should be whipped through the streets like the political lapdogs that they are. All should be replaced, by working folks who have to live with the decisions that they make.


They were wrong no matter what they did, but it is obvious their decision was based on politics. It is crazy that the Supreme Court should have partisan members. To be able to make decisions based purely on the law and on the Constitution, all judges at all levels MUST be impartial. Appointing or electing judges with a political process guarantees that the legal system will not be impartial nor will it follow the law. This has been something about the way we do business that has always puzzled me. Only banana republics do it this way.

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Jun 25, 2015 15:26:00   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Now you can find something else to cry about.
Yo, numbnuts, I didn't write those articles. They come from people all over America who know a helluva lot more about it than me. See, I don't have Obamacare coverage and I never will.

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Jun 25, 2015 15:29:09   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
boofhead wrote:
They were wrong no matter what they did, but it is obvious their decision was based on politics. It is crazy that the Supreme Court should have partisan members. To be able to make decisions based purely on the law and on the Constitution, all judges at all levels MUST be impartial. Appointing or electing judges with a political process guarantees that the legal system will not be impartial nor will it follow the law. This has been something about the way we do business that has always puzzled me. Only banana republics do it this way.
They were wrong no matter what they did, but it is... (show quote)


When words have no meaning, there is no freedom.

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Jun 25, 2015 15:30:22   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
straightUp wrote:
I'm sure there are thousands of articles blaming Obamacare for everything. :roll:
Do you think there might be a good reason for that? The testimonials on the disastrous effects of O-care are legion--families, patients, doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, insurance providers, and so on are real people, ya know?

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Jun 25, 2015 15:33:13   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Super Dave wrote:
Actually... No they weren't. Yes, Newt did nationally, and Romney did locally propose a mandated healthcare system

So... no or yes? You seem confused.

Super Dave wrote:
, but that's not what single payer is.
Single payer is where the only payer is the gubmit.... And therefore the gubmit will ration healthcare.

That's exactly what Gingrich was proposing and he even called it single-payer and in case you really don't know this, insurance companies also ration healthcare.

Super Dave wrote:

Remember Obama said to a person that her mother should take a pain killer and die instead of having lifesaving treatment? Expect more of this when elite politicians see weigh the cost/benefit of keeping someone alive (Benefit for politicians is a person's ability to pay taxes, btw..)

Again, you act like insurance companies don't already do this. Hundreds of Americans die every year because insurance companies don't want to cover the expense of treatment.

You know what else? There are also hundreds of Americans suffering in pain from chronic illness that want to die gracefully but conservative-supported laws actually force them to stay alive, so they can continue to suffer and their families continue to pay money.

So while you morons are getting all huffy about possibility of tyrannical developments like "death panels" you are already supporting tyranny over life and death - and you don't even know it.

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Jun 25, 2015 15:36:08   #
boofhead
 
jelun wrote:
We were subsidizing the health care of those without health insurance prior to this anyway, they just waited until they were REALLY sick and visiting the most expensive providers of care, Emergency Depts.

Many people disagree with you, Unclet.
What has your experience been with the ACA?


Yes we were, and the costs of that were being passed on to those who paid for health insurance. This is still happening in case you were not aware of how the ACA is structured. The big difference is that the costs are now way higher because of the extra stuff that has to be covered such as pre-existing conditions, maternity and the like. Those of us who have always paid our own way have seen our premiums go to the stratosphere so that the layabouts can get free coverage with no strings and now they feel it is a right as well. In the past there was some restraint because the indigents knew they were taking from others. Now they see that government is guaranteeing the money so it is FREE! WEEEE!. Well guess where government gets the money they dispense with such largesse and guess what the health insurance industry does with so much money lying around for the taking.

A recipe for disaster, but apparently all part of the plan to destroy the health care industry, heath care insurance and the economy of the USA. you would have to be an ignorant fool not to see that.

Meanwhile, as those of us who pay find our premiums and deductibles going through the roof, has it helped those who needed it? No, it has not. Most of those getting subsidies can still not afford to use their health care because the deductibles are more than they can pay, most of them are STILL going to the emergency rooms so the costs of care have gone up, not down, and most of those who apply for the ACA are put on Medicaid instead because they cannot afford even the subsidized premiums. In other words, NOTHING HAS BEEN FIXED. The liberals who claim to be in favor of helping those who need help are surely brain dead to believe that the ACA is, or has ever been, meant to do that. That they still have the right to vote is the truly scary thing.

And many of the people who previously paid premiums and paid their own way have LOST their health insurance or cannot afford it because of the rate increases that were necessary to get the freeloaders covered! Talk about craziness, unless as I said it is all part of the plan.

So in the end, we have health care that is many times more expensive, the same number of people have not got coverage, and a shifting of the costs once more to those who actually pay for all this.

It does not take a rocket scientist to see that we are headed for disaster.

The real solution? Round up all the liberals and lock them away where they cannot do any more harm.

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Jun 25, 2015 15:39:14   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yo, numbnuts, I didn't write those articles.

I never said you did.

Blade_Runner wrote:
They come from people all over America who know a helluva lot more about it than me.

That's not saying much.

Blade_Runner wrote:
See, I don't have Obamacare coverage and I never will.

Good. :)

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Jun 25, 2015 15:41:30   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
It is simply amazing how so many people can be so stupid.

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Jun 25, 2015 15:42:28   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Do you think there might be a good reason for that? The testimonials on the disastrous effects of O-care are legion--families, patients, doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, insurance providers, and so on are real people, ya know?

There are hundreds of testimonials on effects of global warming too. Are you saying that just because a lot of people write opinions and testimonials it must be true?

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Jun 25, 2015 15:42:54   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
PoppaGringo wrote:
It is simply amazing how so many people can be so stupid.

Yeah, no shit.

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Jun 25, 2015 15:44:52   #
Kevyn
 
Super Dave wrote:
It could be that it is here to stay, and we're all screwed. Well, at least until Obamacare destroys private healthcare and we're put on a government rationed healthcare. Then we're screwed worse.

And remember.. Obama said this was a way to get to 'single-payer', which is liberalspeak for Full Solviet Socialism.
The idea that single payer is full Soviet Socialism is asinine, Medicare is beloved by most seniors and is essentially a single payer system. This is a public private partnership that cuts out the middleman who adds absolutely no value, big insurance. Conservaspeek for anything and everything they don't like or don't understand is "communism or socialism" what they realy mean when you see either term is that they don't have an answer and don't know what the hell they are talking about.

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Jun 25, 2015 15:46:39   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
jelun wrote:
We were subsidizing the health care of those without health insurance prior to this anyway, they just waited until they were REALLY sick and visiting the most expensive providers of care, Emergency Depts.

Many people disagree with you, Unclet.
What has your experience been with the ACA?


Yet emergency room visits have skyrocketed under the ACA.

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Jun 25, 2015 15:49:03   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yo, numbnuts, I didn't write those articles. They come from people all over America who know a helluva lot more about it than me. See, I don't have Obamacare coverage and I never will.

What do you have?

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Jun 25, 2015 15:49:58   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Dave wrote:
How to spend money is not how to pay for spending it.

How to pay for the spending is called funding. I already said, the prescribed course for funding ACA is all laid out in the law itself. What part of that are you having such a hard time with? Why don't you just read the frickin law?

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Jun 25, 2015 15:51:24   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Dave wrote:
Yet emergency room visits have skyrocketed under the ACA.

That would indicate that more of the people that get hurt are actually being treated now. Excellent! :)

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