Lou Loc: Florida

To all who THINK they know what they're talking about regarding the subject .

Citizenship by Being Born in the United States In most situations, any child that is born in the United States or one of its territories will automatically receive American citizenship. However, children born to diplomats and other recognized government officials from foreign countries will not receive U.S. citizenship if born on American soil. You can learn more about this by looking through Title 8 of the U.S. Code. If you were born in the U.S., your U.S. citizenship will last your entire life unless you make an affirmative action to give it up, like filing an oath. Citizenship by Being Born to U.S. Citizens In a number of situations, if you were born to parents, at least one of whom was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, you automatically gained U.S. citizenship through the process of acquisition. It does not matter whether you were born on American soil or foreign. As well, if you have children, those children will also acquire U.S. citizenship through you at their birth. - See more at: http://immigration.findlaw.com/citizenship/u-s-citizenship-through-parents-or-by-birth.html#sthash.8yC8xlQ1.dpuf

Lou Loc: Florida

Forget that B.S. about a childs father must be a US citizen , it's b.s. pure and simple , you people are so warped you begin to believe your own lies .
Know your subject before you go shooting your mouths off .

Lou Loc: Florida

Wanna cite the Constitution ?

Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Lou Loc: Florida

Statutes have consistently defined a natural-born U.S. citizen as someone who is entitled to be so “at birth” or “by birth,” regardless of where he or she was born (contrasting this with “naturalized” citizens, who become so entitled in later life). At least two other Republican presidential candidates have run on this definition of what it means to be natural born: John McCain, born in the Panama Canal Zone, who ran in 2008, and Barry Goldwater, born in Arizona before it was a state, who ran in 1964.

“Hang on,” you might say. “How did Goldwater get away with that?”

A brief consideration of our own history reveals why it would have been absurd not to have accepted Goldwater’s right to run. Even George Washington was not a natural-born citizen in the sense of being born “in the United States,” and nor were John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams or Andrew Jackson–all for the simple reason that they were born before the U.S. legally existed. All were born in what was then a British colony.

Our first seven presidents were, in effect, “naturalized” in 1787 when the Constitution came into being, and they ensured their own eligibility for the highest office by adding the phrase “or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution” to the better-known “natural-born” requirement.

While the Supreme Court may at some point have to rule on exactly what it means to be natural born in terms of presidential eligibility–probably sooner rather than later, given the growing ethnic diversity of the United States–this is all a murky and much misunderstood area as things stand.

Of more immediate importance, legions of Americans still apparently share Trump’s belief that Obama’s place of birth should make him ineligible to be president.

Although Romney welcomes the backing of “birthers,” he must feel torn on this issue because the attack on Obama’s right to be president is also logically an attack on his own father’s candidacy.

Even if one adopts the long-discredited view that Obama was born in Kenya to a Kansas-born mother, to deny his status as “natural born” is also to deny that of George Romney. Granted, Obama’s father was Kenyan and both of George Romney’s parents were American, only one parent needs to be a U.S. citizen for their children to take citizenship at birth.

In sum, even if Obama were born overseas, one can imagine few Republican candidates less suitable to challenge his constitutional legitimacy than Romney, except perhaps McCain, the Republican Party’s nominee in 2008.

And the fact that Trump is directly, albeit retrospectively, challenging the constitutional right of George Romney to run for the presidency seems entirely lost on the former, which makes the political alliance between Trump and Mitt Romney all the stranger.

UCF Forum columnist David Houghton is an associate professor of political science at the University of Central Florida and can be reached at David.Houghton@ucf.edu.

I guess crazy horse in addition to being a revisionist must also hold a PHD .As for his lackeys and sycophants -DITTO

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Yes, that is a good definition of a US Citizen, but not one of a Natural Born Citizen. The 14th Amendment goes further and I quote: "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." This is Article 2, Section 1. Notice the use of the term "Natural Born Citizen" vice citizen. Arguments on the subject began in 1790 with the most remarkable Supreme Court Ruling (in my initial reply). Remember that the rulings of the Supreme Court set down laws that lesser courts must abide.

And the direct quote from the Constitution "Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

I am not sure where you are quoting from, as you did not give credit.

Now this is strictly my opinion, but knowing that the authors of our Constitution and those who prepared amendments to the same were perfectionist, I doubt that they would have made an error and used separate terminology if there is not a distinct difference between citizen and natural born citizen.

LurkingTom Loc: North Dakota

It doesn't matter where bho was born. He's a citizen of the USA because his mother was a citizen. That makes him a citizen. However his father was a British subject, not a citizen of the USA. So bho is NOT a natural born citizen. His being prez is a violation of the Constitution: Article II Section 1 Paragraph 5.
... It's as simple as that folks.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Again, this constitute citizenship. There are a number of ways to become a citizen (go back an read the information from your link). But, your information does not address NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

John McCain was born on Coco Solo Naval Station in Panama on August 29, 1936. The son of an Admiral. All
US military bases regardless of where they are in the world are considered sovereign parts of the United States.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Finally someone that understands what I was saying. Thank you! The difference, as you too pointed out is the word citizen vice Natural Born Citizen.

Lou Loc: Florida

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause

Read it all .

LurkingTom Loc: North Dakota

The Constitution is fairly clear about natural born citizen. At least I understand it. Here's the modern definitions:

Main Entry:1nat*u*ral
Pronunciation:*na-ch*-r*l
Function:adjective

1 : determined by nature : INBORN : INNATE *natural ability*
2 : BORN *a natural fool*
3 : ILLEGITIMATE
4 : HUMAN
5 : of or relating to nature
6 : not artificial
7 : being simple and sincere : not affected
8 : LIFELIKE
9 : being neither sharp nor flat
Synonyms ingenuous, naive, unsophisticated, artless, guileless
–nat*u*ral*ness noun

Main Entry:born
Pronunciation:*b*rn
Function:adjective

1 : brought into life by birth
2 : NATIVE *American-born*
3 : having special natural abilities or character from birth *a born leader*

Main Entry:cit*i*zen
Pronunciation:*si-t*-z*n
Function:noun

1 : an inhabitant of a city or town
2 : a person who owes allegiance to a government and is entitled to its protection
–cit*i*zen*ship noun

As defined by Merriam-Webster.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Okay, I read the entire thing to include the law suite pending on whether the 14th Amendment violates the civil rights act. I came away with: Anyone born within the US and its territories to include US military bases to American parents, then you are a citizen. I did not dispute this. Although there has been one lower court of appeals that says that anyone born in the US is a Natural Born Citizen, and as you know that ruling is only valid for the state of the rule. So, Illinois (isn't Chicago, the hang out for Obama in Illinois?) says that he is a Natural Born Citizen. However, there is nothing from the Supreme Court which would have an affect on all states. There are opinions from legal giants, but again it is just an opinion and does not change the Constitution or any of the Amendments to the Constitution.

LurkingTom Loc: North Dakota

Awesome! Looks like someone paid attention in civics class!

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

rumitoid

ginnyt, not directly commenting on this thread or specially what you have said. Thank you. It is nice to hear a voice of reason and civility.

Lou Loc: Florida

Read it again simpletons , I know you have attention spans of 15 seconds or so , but try gathering your dozen or so brain cells and give it a try -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause