W8_4_It

Good Lord! I saw them as a kid more than 50 years ago.

I asked the adults what they were when I was a kid. I thought the plane was on fire the first time I noticed one. My uncle told me told me it was smoke form the exhaust which was wrong. My Dad, a veteran told me it was condensation from the engines in the cold air at higher elevations.

I've seen them all over the world in 17 different countries. Chinese , Vietnamese, European, Australian and many countries planes.

Who am I going to believe, YOU or my lying eyes?

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

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PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

I am older than you and I have never seen a 'chemtrail'.

payne1000

Sorry to hear you're blind.

Let other readers describe them for you . . .

payne1000

I hate to call anyone a liar but I have no choice in your case, w8.
What you just posted is a blatant lie and you know it.

W8_4_It

Hey, I'm telling you the truth. I've worked overseas or the last 10 years and I see them there. I've worked in 17 countries. I've seen them everywhere.

I've seen them in the US since I was a kid.

So if you want to hide behind your computer and tell me I'm a liar then FINE.

So let me ask the people here on OPP. Have you ever seen a condensation trail on a plane flying in the sky overseas?

Have you seen one in the US over 10 years ago?

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Those are 'contrails' NOT 'chemtrails' tu idiota. It is comparable to the steam arising from boiling water except it isn't in the frozen atmosphere.

payne1000

Contrails in the -40 to -70 degree temperatures at 30,000 ft. refreeze the steam in seconds after it appears, making it disappear. Chemtrails do not refreeze since they are not steam. They hang in the air for hours, spreading out to form hazy clouds.

This is what contrails look like.


This is what chemtrails look like.

payne1000

Note the difference in contrails and chemtrails in the photos above.
The contrail is a condensation trail.
The chemtrail is not.

In this video geoengineering with chemtrails advocate David Keith discusses the advantages of using aluminum oxide instead of sulphur to create chemtrails. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F58HbYTbKnU

Keith is questioned here about the health issues of spraying 10 megatons of aluminum oxide into the atmosphere. He admits that no studies have yet been made on the health issues. Scary, huh? http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/confronting-geoengineer-david-keith/

And what's scarier than that, they are doing it without informing the public.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

You are 100% wrong. It is fruitless to converse with you, so, adios.

Pulfnick Loc: Knoxville, TN

The tin foil had crowd is out in strength! I'll bet they think their hats are made of tin foil, not realizing tin and aluminum are entirely different and they aren't using tin foil to protect themselves.

Contrails are nothing but temporarily visible microscopic crystals of frozen water that, depending on conditions (temperature, humidity, turbulence) harmlessly dissipate. What you see is exactly the same thing as clouds, no difference in composition whatsoever.

Like cars, airplane engines are powered by burning hydrocarbons, producing waste consisting almost entirely of water vapor and CO2. When it's cold enough, this freezes into microscopic frozen water crystals which soon sublime: change directly from solid water into water vapor. Contrails have been visible as long as men have been flying under the conditions that make them temporarily visible.

Just like the visible exhaust from your automobile in freezing weather before your car is sufficiently warmed up. Just like you can "see your breath" in cold weather. Exactly the same thing.

Sometimes it pays to attempt to think!

W8_4_It

I'm going to give this 1 more shot. You say the chemtrails are bigger. What do you think happens to condensation trails. Do they remain the same size? Or do they spread out over time. What happens to smoke from a chimney? It spreads out. You can even see the Condensation trails spreading- they are narrower near the source and get wider.

Now for thee aluminum Oxide-

Aluminum oxide occurs naturally (corundum) and also as rubies and sapphires.

However the largest commercial process to obtain that is to mine bauxite. The bauxite is then converted to AL2(OH)3 via the bayer process.

That is then calcined to yield aluminum oxide. That is used as an abrasive and also to make aluminum metal.

I have been to TOR in Europe, and CHALCO in China to see the entire process.

DO you have any idea how much 10 million tons of Aluminum Oxide costs? DO you have any idea how difficult it would be to hide the expenditure?

Do you have any idea how much it would cost to get 40,000 air traffic controllers, pilots and crew (just in the US) to pull this off?

Just think about the cost of doing that , the level of secrecy and difficulty involved.

Now think about condensation freezing at high altitudes.

Look I'm not a fan of big government, they do some sneaky underhanded shit, but chemtrails aren't one of them.

payne1000

When Hasbarats can't refute a post they cut and run.

payne1000

Anyone who watches the videos I posted and then reads your attempts at coverup can clearly see that you know nothing about what you are attempting to cover up.
Why are you working the coverup? What's in it for you?

payne1000

It's not that they don't think.
It's that they are paid to cover up the truth.