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May 6, 2015 19:08:03   #
Char4Dew
 
tdsrnest wrote:
I just don't understand the Obama and Islam connection he has killed more Muslim Terrorist than Bush. Why do you keep saying that it's crazy talk

I think you are fooling yourslef.
NO WAY distraction is not good.
or we would not have so many camps in the USA.

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May 6, 2015 19:47:21   #
Airforceone
 
Char4Dew wrote:
I think you are fooling yourslef.
NO WAY distraction is not good.
or we would not have so many camps in the USA.


There not camps why do you call it that. When the Italians settled in the north end of Boston did they call it a camp no they just feel comfortable around there own people Were there bad people living there yes it's called the mafia not terrorist.

The Irish settled in South Boston did you call it a camp no the just wanted to live around there own people.

Same with Manhattan the Jews settled there was it a camp no.

Scotch Irish settled in Appalachia was that a camp.

Swedes settle in Minnesota was that a camp.

Thru propaganda they have label all Muslims as terrorist and that's just not true. So they are just more comfortable living around there own people are there bad guys living there yes but does that mean there all bad.

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May 6, 2015 19:57:18   #
Char4Dew
 
tdsrnest wrote:
There not camps why do you call it that. When the Italians settled in the north end of Boston did they call it a camp no they just feel comfortable around there own people Were there bad people living there yes it's called the mafia not terrorist.

The Irish settled in South Boston did you call it a camp no the just wanted to live around there own people.

Same with Manhattan the Jews settled there was it a camp no.

Scotch Irish settled in Appalachia was that a camp.

Swedes settle in Minnesota was that a camp.

Thru propaganda they have label all Muslims as terrorist and that's just not true. So they are just more comfortable living around there own people are there bad guys living there yes but does that mean there all bad.
There not camps why do you call it that. When the ... (show quote)


I do not mean clusters of different ethnic groups, that is normal
These links are not

I Mean these are camps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAJGXI5l88
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/25/us/possible-isis-inspired-threat/

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May 7, 2015 19:06:38   #
Airforceone
 
Char4Dew wrote:
I do not mean clusters of different ethnic groups, that is normal
These links are not

I Mean these are camps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAJGXI5l88
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/25/us/possible-isis-inspired-threat/


Not sure where this link is going it's chatter that the counter terrorism people monitor all the time. What's this got to do with camps

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May 7, 2015 20:14:37   #
Char4Dew
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Not sure where this link is going it's chatter that the counter terrorism people monitor all the time. What's this got to do with camps

that was a CNN report on ISIS in LA
Here is anotther one
These I call camp - different from clusters of differnt ethnic group.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAJGXI5l88

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May 21, 2015 00:55:47   #
PeterS
 
AntiPC wrote:
Should the 17th amendment be repealed? This topic gets no real media attention, but it is clearly an issue that affects the future of the country as well as provides some context for how we ended up in the mess we are currently in.

For those that don’t know what the 17th amendment is (e.g., democrats and other low information types), it was adopted in 1913 to take the election of US Senators away from the State legislatures (and changing election of senators to popular vote). So what difference (at this point) does it make? Well, a quick review of American history will show a definite trend of:

• Growth of the federal government
• Extreme growth of the federal debt - what is it now…$18 trillion (that is 18 million million, or 18 million stacks of a million (increasingly worthless) dollars.)
• Steady infringement of the federal government into areas reserved for the States in the Constitution
• Steady decline in individual rights
• Unchecked implementation of “trade” agreements and arms treaties that put the country at a disadvantage

So, weigh in – should the 17th amendment be repealed? Should we continue the pointless act of having two chambers in congress elected by the same self-interested people (who are heavily influenced by the infamous “special interests” and government-media complex)?

If people can’t, as a group, make intelligent choices for the House (seriously, look at any of the career politicos in congress and ask yourself “are these REALLY the best people in the country to represent us?”), letting us elect the Senate as well is just doubling down on a losing bet. We have historically shown that we are not up to the task and we need the checks and balances to save us from ourselves.
Should the 17th amendment be repealed? This topic... (show quote)

How is growth in the federal government and the 17th amendment connected. Didn't government grow prior to the 17th? Personally I think term limits a better approach.

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May 30, 2015 03:05:20   #
marinemike
 
Obama did not create ISIS, but by totally leaving Iraq against the advice of his military commanders, and the entire intelligence community, he allowed the vacuum to be formed which was filled by sectarian violence and the strong emergence of ISIS. By all accounts from both sides of the political spectrum, after the "surge" in 2007 and 08, we did have alQueada beaten and could have led to a more stable government in Baghdad.
There are several comments derogatory to Mr. Bush' getting us involved in too wars and that is correct. Let's examine why we went to Afghanistan. It is my opinion that Mr. Bush felt that we could apprehend Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice which is what the American people wanted. Hence we went to Afghanistan.
With respect to Iraq, based on the intelligence of the major agencies in the world, Saddam Hussein had a stockpile of WMD and would have gladly used it on our "Arab allies" and Israel without hesitation. Hence we went to Iraq. Knowing what we know now, we would not have gone. Mr. Bush is not a fortune teller and is not clairvoyant so he could not see into the future and had no way of knowing that Saddam was just bluffing the President and the coalition that invaded Iraq or if he did have the weapons of mass destruction. We do know that he did have chemical weapons as he used them on the Kurds several times after the liberation of Kuwait,and based on the intelligence of the day, Mr. Bush was correct. Conservatives, Republicans, need to stop blasting themselves over these two things because, key words, both were correct at the time.
If there has been any mishandling of the two theaters of operation, it is not on Mr. Bush's part but on the part of Mr. Obama, who has repeatedly failed to listen to his military and intelligence advisers. It also didn't help to have a Secretary of State that lacked the ability to perform the the job assigned her, unlike Gen Powell and Dr. Rice did.

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May 30, 2015 03:17:02   #
marinemike
 
AntiPC sees to be on the right track, as it makes no sense having an extra 100 buffoons rob us blind. A unicameral system seems to be working in Nebraska and has for quite a number of years. By the same token even in this unicameral legislative branch there should be no more that 12 years service allowed with 1/3 being elected every four years. I don't believe the founding fathers envisioned a political class that mooched off of the taxpayers. I also would suggest that their salaries and benefits reflect those of part time employees and not the lavish perks they receive now

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May 30, 2015 08:11:07   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
tdsrnest wrote:
What the hell are you talking about. ISIS how did Obama create that what the hell do you want him to do. If Obama ran again he would win even bigger than the last two.


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The Al Queda-Muslim Brotherhood coalition has morphed into ISIS.

Obama has covertly and overtly furnished arms and money to them to overthrow the legal governments of Egypt and Libya, even unlawfully conducting military operations to help ISIS in its overthrow of the Libyan government. He covertly at first, then overtly furnished arms and money to them in attempts to overthrow the government of Syria.

The Egyptians did wise up and throw out the ISIS.

Even discounting his many other crimes, Obama deserves to be hanged for those above named crimes.



What should Obama do?
\He should vacate the office he is illegally occupying and go permanently to one of those miserable muslim countries and stay there forever.

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Jun 5, 2015 15:14:55   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
AntiPC wrote:
Should the 17th amendment be repealed? This topic gets no real media attention, but it is clearly an issue that affects the future of the country as well as provides some context for how we ended up in the mess we are currently in.

For those that don’t know what the 17th amendment is (e.g., democrats and other low information types), it was adopted in 1913 to take the election of US Senators away from the State legislatures (and changing election of senators to popular vote). So what difference (at this point) does it make? Well, a quick review of American history will show a definite trend of:

• Growth of the federal government
• Extreme growth of the federal debt - what is it now…$18 trillion (that is 18 million million, or 18 million stacks of a million (increasingly worthless) dollars.)
• Steady infringement of the federal government into areas reserved for the States in the Constitution
• Steady decline in individual rights
• Unchecked implementation of “trade” agreements and arms treaties that put the country at a disadvantage

So, weigh in – should the 17th amendment be repealed? Should we continue the pointless act of having two chambers in congress elected by the same self-interested people (who are heavily influenced by the infamous “special interests” and government-media complex)?

If people can’t, as a group, make intelligent choices for the House (seriously, look at any of the career politicos in congress and ask yourself “are these REALLY the best people in the country to represent us?”), letting us elect the Senate as well is just doubling down on a losing bet. We have historically shown that we are not up to the task and we need the checks and balances to save us from ourselves.
Should the 17th amendment be repealed? This topic... (show quote)


My only comment is that this is a battle that will waste an absurd amount of time to shutdown a correlation that YOU believe exists.

I would argue that we don't have enough senators representing us.

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Jun 9, 2015 12:48:23   #
Comment Loc: California
 
tdsrnest wrote:
We have been doomed ever since the day we entered into Iraq.


We can argue as a Monday morn quarterback about whether Iraq was or as not a good decision. Amazing how none of you pacific s have any justice in your hearts for the 3500 dead children, women in the Twin Towers. Your lack of compassion for dead Americans & your compassion for Muslims is unbelievable. You never wanted to revenge the lives of of those innocents murdered on 9/11 by Muslims. You socialist Democrats must be Muslims; you elected one in the White House. Bush won the war on terror and Obambe turned victory into defeat. It appears to me that you would have followed Obambie's policy if you were president. Republican presidents win wars; Democrats lose them.

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Jun 27, 2015 17:41:08   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
Char4Dew wrote:
GREAT NEW? - NOT!!!!!
HILLARY: I’ll give legal status to any illegal immigrant who wants it, so long as they bring a child with them.

Is she trying to balance out the overpopulation of Muslims? NOP....
:(:(:(
A government in the craper :(


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Who made it possible for illegal aliens kids to live a wonderful life here once they set foot on American land?

I’ll give you a hint: it ain’t the current Prez. But, it is the one who claimed he was gonna make us safer after 19 Muslim aliens murdered 3,000 Americans; and then, he had their visas RENEWED! Yup, that’s a real Republican, ain’t it?

Barack Obama is getting most of the blame for the crisis of mass child illegal alien migration into the Southern border. But, instead of listening to shrieking partisans who really haven’t done their homework on this issue, have you bothered asking yourself which President signed into law (and which Congressmen and Senators voted for it) legislation giving these illegal alien “kids” the protections that enable them to stay here and live well?

I’ll give you a hint; oh you people of very short and selective memories: his name is George W. Bush, and he signed three (3) separate laws creating all sorts of protections and benefits for the illegal alien youths with whom this country is now overwhelmed.

All Hillary is doing is carrying on what "W" began. It was just fine and dandy when "W" did his dirty work. But, it's "OH, HELL NO!," when a Democrat proposes something along the same line. You folks need to make up your freaking minds.

To say NO to something, just because a Democrat proposes it only makes you look like fools, once it's learned that the impetus was initiated by your very own "W." Kinda like the ACA, which was copied from Romney's own healthcare plan for Mass. It was just fine, then. A Republican had come up with it. But, let a Democrat use it for the benefit of the whole country, and still credit Romney for it, and all hell breaks loose.

I thank God, the SCOTUS doesn't have term limits set for its justices. Otherwise, our judicial system would be just as partisian as is the Executive and Legislative branches are. Our Founding Fathers got, at least, one part right by NOT having an elected judiciary.

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Jun 27, 2015 18:02:32   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
Comment wrote:
We can argue as a Monday morn quarterback about whether Iraq was or as not a good decision. Amazing how none of you pacific s have any justice in your hearts for the 3500 dead children, women in the Twin Towers. Your lack of compassion for dead Americans & your compassion for Muslims is unbelievable. You never wanted to revenge the lives of of those innocents murdered on 9/11 by Muslims. You socialist Democrats must be Muslims; you elected one in the White House. Bush won the war on terror and Obambe turned victory into defeat. It appears to me that you would have followed Obambie's policy if you were president. Republican presidents win wars; Democrats lose them.
We can argue as a Monday morn quarterback about wh... (show quote)

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Bush didn't "win" jack! He left the ME in a far worse mess than it was before he had our troops go in. It's very evident you don't know much, if anything regarding military strategy; not that Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld displayed much, either. "Mission Accomplished" was a misnomer. The mission was FAR from completed; unless you count Bush's landing aboard the carrier as 'the mission.'

Besides, other than posting more insults and cussing, what are your proposals to fix the situation? Thus far, all you've posted is slander. That only proves that you have nothing of consequence to add. You're no better than some spectator in the stands, criticizing the players because they don't play as you want them to. If you think can do better, show us! If you have something, positive to add, please do. Otherwise, quit showing everyone you're less informed about the issues than you let on.

When 9-11 occurred, America came together. Not since Pearl Harbor, had we united as quickly as one. There were no Republicans or Democrate, then. There were no whites, blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans, or Asians. We were ALL Americans. ALL of us had been attacked. No one is displaying any lack of compassion toward our dead fellow citizens. For you to infer that we lack compassion is an insult to us and to those who were killed.

You need to pull your head out of your rear and breath some fresh air. What you've been breathing in and exhaling is pure crap. If you can't offer-up anything constructive, you're no more than another part of the problem. If you can't help us, then, don't hurt us.

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Jul 19, 2015 09:24:34   #
classlessoo
 
tdsrnest wrote:
No repeal of the 17th amendment as long as this country allows unlimited funds introduced into our political system without any knowledge of where it's coming from. Campaign finance is desperately needed.



the senate passed the mc cain finegold bill that was supposed to correct this problem but made it worse,ie the senate made it worse.
this proves we need to get rid of the 17th.

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Jul 20, 2015 00:17:16   #
at41
 
Comment wrote:
We can argue as a Monday morn quarterback about whether Iraq was or as not a good decision. Amazing how none of you pacific s have any justice in your hearts for the 3500 dead children, women in the Twin Towers. Your lack of compassion for dead Americans & your compassion for Muslims is unbelievable. You never wanted to revenge the lives of of those innocents murdered on 9/11 by Muslims. You socialist Democrats must be Muslims; you elected one in the White House. Bush won the war on terror and Obambe turned victory into defeat. It appears to me that you would have followed Obambie's policy if you were president. Republican presidents win wars; Democrats lose them.
We can argue as a Monday morn quarterback about wh... (show quote)



FDR won WW11, Eisenhower lost Korea, Ford lost Viet Nam and by the way no one from Iraq was involved in 9/11.

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