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Should the president of the United States be above the law and immune to prosecution for crimes committed during his time in office .
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Feb 7, 2024 14:45:41   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
LostAggie66 wrote:
NOPE!


My sentiments exactly How self serving can you blatantly be .

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Feb 7, 2024 15:55:50   #
pegw
 
proud republican wrote:
What CRIMES did he commit while in the office, I'd like to know...


Here are some crimes Trump committed in office:
He made money from foreign powers, which is against the emoluments clause in the Constitution
He planned and executed an insurrection
He took documents and stored them almost in the open at Mar a Lago.
He used money for his election on himself
There is a lot more, but I don't want to type all day.

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Feb 7, 2024 16:35:38   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
The Federal Appeals Court of the District of Columbia gave the number one reason that Donald Trump should not be President of the United States in its strongly-worded ruling that presidents are not immune to the laws that govern all Americans. I have quoted the sections in which senior judges of high standing accused Trump of an unprecedented assault on our great American democratic republic...

"We cannot accept former President Trump’s claim that a President has unbounded authority to commit crimes that would neutralize the most fundamental check on executive power — the recognition and implementation of election results. Nor can we sanction his apparent contention that the Executive has carte blanche to violate the rights of individual citizens to vote and to have their votes count."

“Mr. Trump's stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all three Branches. Presidential immunity against federal indictment would mean that, as to the President, the Congress could not legislate, the Executive could not prosecute and the Judiciary could not review.”

“Former President Trump lacked any lawful discretionary authority to defy federal criminal law and he is answerable in court for his conduct. The President used his seat of power to attempt to unlawfully overstay his term as President and to displace his duly elected successor, all which would violate generally applicable criminal laws.”

“Former President Trump’s alleged efforts to remain in power despite losing the 2020 election were, if proven, an unprecedented assault on the structure of our government. He allegedly injected himself into a process in which the President has no role — the counting and certifying of the Electoral College votes — thereby undermining constitutionally established procedures and the will of the Congress.”

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Feb 7, 2024 17:30:43   #
DAV
 
What does the Constitution say about Presidential immunity ?

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Feb 7, 2024 17:39:14   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
pegw wrote:
Here are some crimes Trump committed in office:
He made money from foreign powers, which is against the emoluments clause in the Constitution
He planned and executed an insurrection
He took documents and stored them almost in the open at Mar a Lago.
He used money for his election on himself
There is a lot more, but I don't want to type all day.



You are so full if it!! You spew BS without any proof whatsoever...He had a right to take docs because he was President.. FJB on the other hand had NO right to have docs.. And how did he used money for his election on himself?? Put up or stop your BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Feb 7, 2024 17:52:32   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
DAV wrote:
What does the Constitution say about Presidential immunity ?

https://constitution.findlaw.com/article2/article-ii--presidential-immunity-to-criminal-and-civil-suits.html

A sitting president of the United States enjoys absolute immunity from many lawsuits while in office; *it is under legal dispute whether they also enjoy criminal immunity from arrest or prosecution. Neither civil nor criminal immunity is explicitly granted in the Constitution or any federal statute.

*Note the date on the above link. This week, a Federal District Court ruled immunity does not extend indefinitely.

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Feb 7, 2024 17:56:04   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://constitution.findlaw.com/article2/article-ii--presidential-immunity-to-criminal-and-civil-suits.html

A sitting president of the United States enjoys absolute immunity from many lawsuits while in office; it is under legal dispute whether they also enjoy criminal immunity from arrest or prosecution. Neither civil nor criminal immunity is explicitly granted in the Constitution or any federal statute.


Trump WAS President during January 6th.... So he should of been immune..

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Feb 7, 2024 17:56:42   #
Knightlady
 
PeterS wrote:
The argument his lawyer made is that he could order Seal Team 6 to kill his political opponent and he couldn't be touched. If you agree with him simply say yes. If you don't then say no. If you can't do either why don't you find another thread to turn into an argument...


I'm sure there's alot before and after that was said (I really need to read the entire thing one of these days).

But in my humble opinion, that is far from a yes or no question. Depending on the crime and why it was committed, I guess, but that's way above my pay grade.
High crimes such as proven treason are a no brainer. The lesser crimes, stated above

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Feb 7, 2024 18:02:51   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
proud republican wrote:
Trump WAS President during January 6th.... So he should of been immune..

Sorry, P-R, for being late with my addendum on the post to which you responded. Also, read my previous post above, just before.

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Feb 7, 2024 18:23:13   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
slatten49 wrote:
The Federal Appeals Court of the District of Columbia gave the number one reason that Donald Trump should not be President of the United States in its strongly-worded ruling that presidents are not immune to the laws that govern all Americans. I have quoted the sections in which senior judges of high standing accused Trump of an unprecedented assault on our great American democratic republic...

"We cannot accept former President Trump’s claim that a President has unbounded authority to commit crimes that would neutralize the most fundamental check on executive power — the recognition and implementation of election results. Nor can we sanction his apparent contention that the Executive has carte blanche to violate the rights of individual citizens to vote and to have their votes count."

“Mr. Trump's stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all three Branches. Presidential immunity against federal indictment would mean that, as to the President, the Congress could not legislate, the Executive could not prosecute and the Judiciary could not review.”

“Former President Trump lacked any lawful discretionary authority to defy federal criminal law and he is answerable in court for his conduct. The President used his seat of power to attempt to unlawfully overstay his term as President and to displace his duly elected successor, all which would violate generally applicable criminal laws.”

“Former President Trump’s alleged efforts to remain in power despite losing the 2020 election were, if proven, an unprecedented assault on the structure of our government. He allegedly injected himself into a process in which the President has no role — the counting and certifying of the Electoral College votes — thereby undermining constitutionally established procedures and the will of the Congress.”
The Federal Appeals Court of the District of Colum... (show quote)



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Feb 7, 2024 19:33:00   #
tomhoff24
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
He should not be beneath the law either and allowed to be prosecuted by a weaopnized judicial system being used to destroy a political opponent.


As well as any of us . Nobody is above the law.

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Feb 7, 2024 19:52:00   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
He should not be beneath the law either and allowed to be prosecuted by a weaopnized judicial system being used to destroy a political opponent.

Trump is contributing to his own prosecution, not by an imagined "weaponized judicial system", but instead by the truth and the stupidity of his mouthing public comments. He seemingly can't help himself.

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Feb 7, 2024 20:44:15   #
Knightlady
 
slatten49 wrote:
Trump is contributing to his own prosecution, not by an imagined "weaponized judicial system", but instead by the truth and the stupidity of his mouthing public comments. He seemingly can't help himself.


On the keeping his mouth shut, we agree. He's his own worst enemy sometimes

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Feb 7, 2024 21:33:26   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Knightlady wrote:
On the keeping his mouth shut, we agree. He's his own worst enemy sometimes



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Feb 7, 2024 23:30:36   #
Wickedestoldwolf
 
PeterS wrote:
How has it been weaponized? The latest ruling, which was unanimous, included a judge he appointed and an equal number of the 61 rulings against him were by judges that he appointed. If this last ruling does go to SCOTUS and it's refused, which is likely, it's Trump's own actions that are responsible for where he's at not the judiciary...


"Trump appointed judges"? So you sound like you expect them to side with him because he appointed them. Tell the truth, are you saying these judges are traitors then? Or do you and your ilk just want something more to cry foul about, which you all would. You Dems throw that around all the time. Trump appointed judges. I remember when the Kavanaugh said Roe vs Wade was settled law and turned around a voted to kill it. What do you think changed his mind. All of em like, politicians flip on stuff all the time.

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