CrazyHorse Loc: Kansas

Quid Pro Quo, The Dutchman & TheCracker: If it thinks like a wuss, talks like a wuss, and doesn't admit its a liberal wuss, its probably a wussie, don't you think.

straightUp Loc: California

In civil cases the burden of proof is on the plaintiff for the same reasons I already explained... in civil cases the plaintiff presents the charge. In civil cases there ARE exceptions... rare exceptions such as insanity pleads. I don't see Obama pleading insanity to you?


Thank you Captain Obvious for letting me know what the issue is... LOL. As if everyone in the world doesn't already know. Even my dog knows. As for the burden of proof, that's something you need to do a little reading on... as soon as you can handle words with more that two syllables. Bottom line is YOU are the one issuing the charge, so YOU provide the proof. That's the way it works. Also, just a side note... If you want to at least give people the impression that you know what you are talking about try to control your anger and refrain from silly name calling. It's hard to take someone who calls Obama "Omaggot" as anything other than a child.


Nothing in your description changes the rules that I have already pointed out. You're just repeating the same thing without offering any legal language to support that argument. I'm sure that's how it works in your circles... say it over and over until it's true, but back in Kansas, the drab reality is that you are wrong. Plain and simple. You WISH the burden of proof was on him but useful idiot rule #1 - repeat until true, just doesn't work when your trying to convince someone who isn't stupid. I tell you what, why don't you link to some legal experts that echo your position, let the grownups talk about this?


No proof that it is either. What you and your band of morons are doing is trying to compensate for your failure to provide proof by telling us the defendant has to provide the proof. That just makes me laugh my ass off.


I'm not arguing the consequences of fraud, but how does that have anything to do with who carries the burden of proof? What I *did* notice is how you start off by arguing that this is a civil case, not a criminal case...
civil cases don't put people in jail. ;)


What difference does it make? You don't even know my name and you're actually asking me what law school I went to. LOL... Besides, we aren't talking about anything complicated here, the level of legal understanding required to recognize how ignorant you are is the basic stuff every citizen should know.

straightUp Loc: California

There we go.... name calling... so constructive, so intelligent... LOL. When you fail miserably in the argument and get all pissed off and frustrated you resort to name calling from the safety of your computer. So typical.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Just a few observations on your comments:

- While I do not subscribe to the birther mindset, Obama himself has created enough doubt on these issues with his own writing - which I suspect is purposefully baiting this kind of thing.
- There was an enormous movement stating that Bush was behind the 9/11/01, and this was promoted by many leftist organizations.
-There is more evidence (although insufficient) of Obama's questionable birth than Bush was behind 9/11.
- There really is no monolithic organization called the Tea Party. There are many smaller organizations that attempt to use that term - some are very small and splinter groups.

The term useful idiot refers to the use of the Communist Party of those who were led to believe things for the sole purpose of gaining political power, with the ultimate goal of totalitarian government.

If there is any common theme to the "Tea Party" it is for smaller government.

straightUp Loc: California

So, you first heard the "useful idiot thing" from communists working at colleges in the 1930's... And I am a communist because I failed to comment about it? Well, ya see - I wasn't around in the 1930s.

But like I already told you - it wouldn't make any difference to you whether I am a communist or not. So, you want to slap that label on me? Knock yourself out. If you think calling me a communist will make you feel better... but it won't. Not even if you add "wussie", or any other name your uptight frustrated mind can think off.

Maybe you ought to just take your medicine old man and stop getting yourself all wound up. It can't be good for you to be that angry all the time.

straightUp Loc: California

clap clap... priceless!
:thumbup:

CrazyHorse Loc: Kansas

Quod Pro Quo, Dave: When Obama was agreeing to the information in this first link with his then agent, at that time, he wasn't baiting anyone. How is it do you answer that?

This first link is interesting to me. Why is it would Obama agree to say he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii, if he in fact wasn't??? I didn't generate this, one of our contributors on one political plaza.com did and posted it up. It's a longer conversation, but I just pass along a snippet with a couple of links you can look at. If you want to see what one political plaza is all about, google onepoliticalplaza.com and click on I think it is the second link that will take you to the site. The first link cite below takes a while to load.


Obama wasn’t born in Kenya, except when he claims he was born in Kenya

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/17/obama-wasnt-born-in-kenya-except-when-he-claims-he-was-...

Evidence Obama Born In Kenya Goes Beyond 1991 Brochure

http://www.infowars.com/evidence-obama-born-in-kenya-goes-beyond-1991-brochure/ :roll: :?: :?:

CrazyHorse Loc: Kansas

Quid Pro Quo, straightUP: You evidence the pot calling the kettle black.

CrazyHorse Loc: Kansas

Quid Pro Quo, straightUP: "UP", you're so legally ignorant you don't even know how ignorant you are. I'll be back.

straightUp Loc: California

So to wrap up... since obviously, there is no one available or willing on this forum to contribute anything worthwhile. Not that there's much to add anyway. I just thought it was interesting to see such a clear example of how the Tea Party is building a culture of useful idiots and I just wanted to share that. As the title of my OP implies, I think useful idiots can be found on all sides of the political spectrum. The conservatives here don't seem to agree... They think all useful idiots are liberals. Well, I guess they are entitled to their prejudices.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

If you don't understand the difference of the left using useful idiots to advance towards a totalitarian government from those who want smaller government, don't blame others for your inability to understand true difference.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Yes.

The Dutchman

straightUp wrote:
So to wrap up... since obviously, there is no one available or willing on this forum to contribute anything worthwhile. Not that there's much to add anyway. I just thought it was interesting to see such a clear example of how the Tea Party is building a culture of useful idiots and I just wanted to share that. As the title of my OP implies, I think useful idiots can be found on all sides of the political spectrum. The conservatives here don't seem to agree... They think all useful idiots are liberals. Well, I guess they are entitled to their prejudices.



Dave, Notice how this useful idiot always tries to turn everything around, it has no clue what the Taxed Enough Already movement is all about! It is unbelievable how people can be so stupid as to buy into what the lame stream medias put out in support of this corrupt government.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Yes - the sad part is there are two kinds of liberals, those who aren't totally stupid and think they are the elite who will rule over everone else when politically successful and the useful idiots who think they will benefit from the elite running everything.

The Dutchman

So instead of your refusing to acknowledge the known fact that you and ALL liberals are useful idiots go in here and tell us how wrong these historical facts are...

http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-2341-1.html

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.

Take a look at what your liberal useful idiot dumbocraps did to Detroit and are doing to Chicago and any other major city their form of socialism is destroying!