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Apr 24, 2022 22:54:08   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
debeda wrote:
When I took comparative religion it struck me as there are some core beliefs that are universal. I called those "God's laws" to myself. The various rules and mores not universal I called "man's laws" to myself.


I feel much the same way you do. In that I look for God‘s word not man-made conception of God‘s word. I went to a number of churches trying to find one that at least thought in principle the same way only to find out that they are preachings to build their congregations and not necessarily the word of God.( All various interpretation as they define it) Although there are times I like going to the church for the moral reinforcement it offers, I can speak to God anywhere and anytime I want….

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Apr 24, 2022 22:55:30   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
RandyBrian wrote:
You guys both know more about this subject than I do, so you may not particularly want to hear my opinion.
I do not know the answer, except to say there IS only ONE God. Period. It does not matter how many sects there are that believe in multiple deities....there is still just one. Islam seems to have a LOT of peaceful and tolerant teachings, and some very hateful and intolerant parts. A great number of the Faithful follow the latter, but too many adhere to the former. and it does not matter because He is still the God of us all. Any way you slice it, a great number of people on this Earth have been and ARE misjudging our common creator, and will be sorely shocked when they face Him at the end of their lives. The one great adventure that each and every one of us will share. We will all end our lives as explorers of the unknown.
You guys both know more about this subject than I ... (show quote)


Well said👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏

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Apr 24, 2022 23:07:38   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
All that and you failed to cover the reality of what the bible is...how many people wrote it...the period of time it covers, and it's rewrites

The bible is accounts of events written about many people by many people, after the facts...which would make it a hearsay account for all intents and purposes. Gospels got "lost" through periods of disagreements between multiple religious factions...the ones that got lost seemingly because the more influential movers didn't like the message.

There are more muslims than christians in the world, do you ever want to have to deal with that because there are more people who think their god is the only one there are more right people that are muslims?
All that and you failed to cover the reality of wh... (show quote)
I know what the Bible is, you don't.
I know who wrote it, you don't.
I know the period of time it covers, you don't.
I know the Bible has never been rewritten, you don't.
I know there are more Christians than Muslims in the world, you don't.

You want to quit now, or continue to display your ignorance?

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Apr 24, 2022 23:15:50   #
debeda
 
lindajoy wrote:
Says it all…..Many different names of God…👏🏻👏🏻

Such as:
EL, ELOAH [el, el-oh-ah]: God "mighty, strong, prominent" (Nehemiah 9:17; Psalm 139:19) – etymologically, El appears to mean “power” and “might” (Genesis 31:29). El is associated with other qualities, such as integrity (Numbers 23:19), jealousy (Deuteronomy 5:9), and compassion (Nehemiah 9:31), but the root idea of “might” remains.

ELOHIM [el-oh-heem]: God “Creator, Mighty and Strong” (Genesis 17:7; Jeremiah 31:33) – the plural form of Eloah, which accommodates the doctrine of the Trinity. From the Bible’s first sentence, the superlative nature of God’s power is evident as God (Elohim) speaks the world into existence (Genesis 1:1).

EL SHADDAI [el-shah-dahy]: “God Almighty,” “The Mighty One of Jacob” (Genesis 49:24; Psalm 132:2,5) – speaks to God’s ultimate power over all.

ADONAI [ˌædɒˈnaɪ; ah-daw-nahy]: “Lord” (Genesis 15:2; Judges 6:15) – used in place of YHWH, which was thought by the Jews to be too sacred to be uttered by sinful men. In the Old Testament, YHWH is more often used in God’s dealings with His people, while Adonai is used more when He deals with the Gentiles.

YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH [yah-way / ji-hoh-veh]: “LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4; Daniel 9:14) – strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. Translated in English Bibles “LORD” (all capitals) to distinguish it from Adonai, “Lord.” The revelation of the name is given to Moses “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). This name specifies an immediacy, a presence. Yahweh is present, accessible, near to those who call on Him for deliverance (Psalm 107:13), forgiveness (Psalm 25:11) and guidance (Psalm 31:3).

YAHWEH-JIREH [yah-way-ji-reh]: "The Lord Will Provide" (Genesis 22:14) – the name memorialized by Abraham when God provided the ram to be sacrificed in place of Isaac.

YAHWEH-RAPHA [yah-way-raw-faw]: "The Lord Who Heals" (Exodus 15:26) – “I am Jehovah who heals you” both in body and soul. In body, by preserving from and curing diseases, and in soul, by pardoning iniquities.

YAHWEH-NISSI [yah-way-nee-see]: "The Lord Our Banner" (Exodus 17:15), where banner is understood to be a rallying place. This name commemorates the desert victory over the Amalekites in Exodus 17.

YAHWEH-M'KADDESH [yah-way-meh-kad-esh]: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy" (Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28) – God makes it clear that He alone, not the law, can cleanse His people and make them holy.

YAHWEH-SHALOM [yah-way-shah-lohm]: "The Lord Our Peace" (Judges 6:24) – the name given by Gideon to the altar he built after the Angel of the Lord assured him he would not die as he thought he would after seeing Him.

YAHWEH-ELOHIM [yah-way-el-oh-him]: "LORD God" (Genesis 2:4; Psalm 59:5) – a combination of God’s unique name YHWH and the generic “Lord,” signifying that He is the Lord of Lords.
Says it all…..Many different names of God…👏🏻👏🏻... (show quote)


👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

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Apr 24, 2022 23:19:01   #
debeda
 
lindajoy wrote:
I feel much the same way you do. In that I look for God‘s word not man-made conception of God‘s word. I went to a number of churches trying to find one that at least thought in principle the same way only to find out that they are preachings to build their congregations and not necessarily the word of God.( All various interpretation as they define it) Although there are times I like going to the church for the moral reinforcement it offers, I can speak to God anywhere and anytime I want….


Completely agree!!! BUT, with one codicil. I think that the decline in church attendance hurts everyone, believers and nonbelievers. Having thousands, maybe millions of people praying and singing worshipful hymns every Sunday morning helped raise up the entire country energetically. Just my opinion.

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Apr 24, 2022 23:26:41   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
No... Dhimma is the Islamic practice of charging Jews and Christians a tax.... It is only extended to these two groups (although Iran extends it to Zorastrians as well)....


Sounds like buying access to have their own rights??

“ exchange for the protection of the Islamic state, dhimmis were expected to pay a special tax, called the jizya. A document known as the Pact of ‘Umar spelled out the details of the agreement between the Islamic state and the dhimmis in considerable detail. Though presented as a product of the mid-seventh century, the Pact of ‘Umar cannot be dated earlier than the mid-ninth century, when it became part of the substance of Islamic law. Its stipulations take for granted the densely populated and diverse urban environment of that ninth-century Iraqi milieu. The Pact of ‘Umar lays out a variety of sumptuary laws, meaning laws whose ostensible purpose was to distinguish non-Muslims from Muslims in social interactions, place limits on non-Muslim behavior, and emphasize the social superiority of Muslims.”

It was also extended to other countries ~~as well~~

“ In the middle of the twentieth century the large Jewish communities in Morocco, Iraq, Yemen, and Iran left en masse for Israel, France, and elsewhere. In general, the post-colonial regimes of the Middle East and North Africa restricted the sphere of Islamic law to personal status issues and to a loosely defined source of inspiration for current law. However, among countries that underwent a period of radical secularization and subsequently experienced an Islamic reaction in the 1970s and later, the issue of dhimmis having exceeded their proper social roles arose again. Debates over whether or not Coptic Christians should pay the jizya have arisen from time to time in Egypt since the 1980s. In parts of Pakistan under Taliban influence, Sikhs are charged jizya. The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (Daesh) made similar attempts in places like Mosul in Iraq and in parts of Syria where Christians lived.”

Thank you for the education…

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Apr 24, 2022 23:37:07   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
debeda wrote:
Completely agree!!! BUT, with one codicil. I think that the decline in church attendance hurts everyone, believers and nonbelievers. Having thousands, maybe millions of people praying and singing worshipful hymns every Sunday morning helped raise up the entire country energetically. Just my opinion.


I don’t disagree with you at all.. Worshipping together brings solidification no doubt.. And also shows our resolve in fellowship, period.

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Apr 24, 2022 23:46:35   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
lindajoy wrote:
Sounds like buying access to have their own rights??

“ exchange for the protection of the Islamic state, dhimmis were expected to pay a special tax, called the jizya. A document known as the Pact of ‘Umar spelled out the details of the agreement between the Islamic state and the dhimmis in considerable detail. Though presented as a product of the mid-seventh century, the Pact of ‘Umar cannot be dated earlier than the mid-ninth century, when it became part of the substance of Islamic law. Its stipulations take for granted the densely populated and diverse urban environment of that ninth-century Iraqi milieu. The Pact of ‘Umar lays out a variety of sumptuary laws, meaning laws whose ostensible purpose was to distinguish non-Muslims from Muslims in social interactions, place limits on non-Muslim behavior, and emphasize the social superiority of Muslims.”

It was also extended to other countries ~~as well~~

“ In the middle of the twentieth century the large Jewish communities in Morocco, Iraq, Yemen, and Iran left en masse for Israel, France, and elsewhere. In general, the post-colonial regimes of the Middle East and North Africa restricted the sphere of Islamic law to personal status issues and to a loosely defined source of inspiration for current law. However, among countries that underwent a period of radical secularization and subsequently experienced an Islamic reaction in the 1970s and later, the issue of dhimmis having exceeded their proper social roles arose again. Debates over whether or not Coptic Christians should pay the jizya have arisen from time to time in Egypt since the 1980s. In parts of Pakistan under Taliban influence, Sikhs are charged jizya. The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (Daesh) made similar attempts in places like Mosul in Iraq and in parts of Syria where Christians lived.”

Thank you for the education…
Sounds like buying access to have their own rights... (show quote)


Cheers...

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Apr 24, 2022 23:48:10   #
debeda
 
lindajoy wrote:
I don’t disagree with you at all.. Worshipping together brings solidification no doubt.. And also shows our resolve in fellowship, period.


👍🌞🌞

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Apr 24, 2022 23:48:30   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:
Completely agree!!! BUT, with one codicil. I think that the decline in church attendance hurts everyone, believers and nonbelievers. Having thousands, maybe millions of people praying and singing worshipful hymns every Sunday morning helped raise up the entire country energetically. Just my opinion.


It also helped people to maintain community bonds and take time out from the "self"...

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Apr 24, 2022 23:58:34   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
It also helped people to maintain community bonds and take time out from the "self"...


Yes, absolutely. Not only a dedication of time to God, but a dedication of time to the community👍

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Apr 25, 2022 02:20:51   #
woodguru
 
Blade_Runner wrote:

I know the Bible has never been rewritten, you don't.
I know there are more Christians than Muslims in the world, you don't.
You want to quit now, or continue to display your ignorance?


Now that you have displayed your ignorance check what you "know".

Familiar with the differences of the King James version? It's a rewrite fool. Why is it necessary to offer comparisons of different versions...what is a different version if it isn't a rewrite.

I'm surprised you went there, that was some cognitively dysfunctional stuff right there, Lol
https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2017/06/did-you-know-how-to-compare-different-bibles-side-by-side-on-bible-gateway/

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Apr 25, 2022 05:33:51   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
Now that you have displayed your ignorance check what you "know".

Familiar with the differences of the King James version? It's a rewrite fool. Why is it necessary to offer comparisons of different versions...what is a different version if it isn't a rewrite.

I'm surprised you went there, that was some cognitively dysfunctional stuff right there, Lol
https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2017/06/did-you-know-how-to-compare-different-bibles-side-by-side-on-bible-gateway/
You are implying a "rewrite" is a revision,
A particular version of the Bible is neither a rewrite nor a revision, it is a translation.
The versions are based solely on the original text,
The grammar, style, sentence structure, and words were changed to accommodate a specific readership,
but the message and meaning do not change.
Many modern readers have difficulty with the old English poetic style of the KJV,
so versions were created to make reading and study easier.

Romans 8: 31
KJV: What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
ISV: What, then, can we say about all of this? If God is for us, who can be against us?
NET: What then shall we say about these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
MEV: What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
NIV: What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
NLT: What shall we say about such wonderful things as these? If God is for us, who can ever be against us?
GNV: What shall we then say to these things? If God be on our side, who can be against us?
NABRE: What then shall we say to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?
NMB: What shall we say then to these things? If God is on our side, who can be against us?

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Apr 25, 2022 06:44:43   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
It also helped people to maintain community bonds and take time out from the "self"...


True!!!

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Apr 25, 2022 08:12:23   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
Now that you have displayed your ignorance check what you "know".

Familiar with the differences of the King James version? It's a rewrite fool. Why is it necessary to offer comparisons of different versions...what is a different version if it isn't a rewrite.

I'm surprised you went there, that was some cognitively dysfunctional stuff right there, Lol
https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2017/06/did-you-know-how-to-compare-different-bibles-side-by-side-on-bible-gateway/


Dude, the definition in the dictionary of cognitive dysfunction should carry your photograph. Blade is right and you are completely wrong. Listening to you, I'll say again, is like listening to a 5 year old boy confidently explaining to his Dad how a car works. You are a illustration of ignorance on pretty much every subject you jump into. Full of assumptions and nonsense. And you do it in 3D technicolor.

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