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Oct 7, 2014 13:07:06   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
You are exactly right. Poor guys like superdave and blacksheep have difficulty understanding how science works and are into the political fall out of what they perceive as a conspiracy to use climate theory to make our situation worse, rob us of money and empower the government.

Their view is, unfortunate, but its their view, none the less.


I posted this link on another thread here it is again for those of you who missed it.

http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12

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Oct 7, 2014 13:09:14   #
Blacksheep
 
Nickolai wrote:
As the permafrost melts in the north, forests no longer grow straight.
Sarah James, an Alaska Native elder, says global warming is radically changing her homeland. Even the forests no longer grow straight. Melting ground has caused trees to tilt or fall.
"Because permafrost melts, it causes a lot of erosion," says James, who lives in Arctic Village, a small Native American village in northeastern Alaska. "A lot of trees can't stand up straight. If the erosion gets worse, everything goes with it."
Permafrost is permanently frozen ground. But climate change has caused much of that ground to melt at an unprecedented rate. The ground buckles and sinks, causing trees to list at extreme angles.
Sometimes the trees survive the stress and continue growing, uprighting themselves to vertical. Other times they collapse or drown from rising water tables as subterranean ice melts. Because such trees seem to stagger across the landscape, people often call them "drunken trees."
Although trees can lean or curve for a number of reasons, including disturbance of soil caused by man-made excavations or landslides, the melting permafrost is making leaning trees more prevalent.
It's not just trees. Slumping land caused by melting permafrost also cracks pavement, breaks pipelines, and opens holes, causing expensive damage to houses and roads. "We have whole families who have had to move because their houses are not safe anymore," says James.
Wildlife has been affected by the shifting landscape as well. James has seen declines in spawning fish, nesting birds, and small mammals. Some climate models have predicted that most permafrost could melt by the end of the century. Jorgenson thinks it will take longer, since soil layers above the frozen ground are good insulators. But the area north of Fairbanks is predicted to warm by four to six degrees Celsius by the end of the century.
As the permafrost melts in the north, forests no l... (show quote)


Oh NO, CHANGE IS HAPPENING, WE'RE ALL DOOMED! SAVE ME, SAVE ME, ME FIRST, GET OUT OF MY WAY.

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Oct 7, 2014 13:21:30   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Nickolai wrote:
As the permafrost melts in the north, forests no longer grow straight.
Sarah James, an Alaska Native elder, says global warming is radically changing her homeland. Even the forests no longer grow straight. Melting ground has caused trees to tilt or fall.
"Because permafrost melts, it causes a lot of erosion," says James, who lives in Arctic Village, a small Native American village in northeastern Alaska. "A lot of trees can't stand up straight. If the erosion gets worse, everything goes with it."
Permafrost is permanently frozen ground. But climate change has caused much of that ground to melt at an unprecedented rate. The ground buckles and sinks, causing trees to list at extreme angles.
Sometimes the trees survive the stress and continue growing, uprighting themselves to vertical. Other times they collapse or drown from rising water tables as subterranean ice melts. Because such trees seem to stagger across the landscape, people often call them "drunken trees."
Although trees can lean or curve for a number of reasons, including disturbance of soil caused by man-made excavations or landslides, the melting permafrost is making leaning trees more prevalent.
It's not just trees. Slumping land caused by melting permafrost also cracks pavement, breaks pipelines, and opens holes, causing expensive damage to houses and roads. "We have whole families who have had to move because their houses are not safe anymore," says James.
Wildlife has been affected by the shifting landscape as well. James has seen declines in spawning fish, nesting birds, and small mammals. Some climate models have predicted that most permafrost could melt by the end of the century. Jorgenson thinks it will take longer, since soil layers above the frozen ground are good insulators. But the area north of Fairbanks is predicted to warm by four to six degrees Celsius by the end of the century.
As the permafrost melts in the north, forests no l... (show quote)


How many square miles of permafrost are there in the world?

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Oct 7, 2014 13:28:07   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
I posted this link on another thread here it is again for those of you who missed it.

http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12


I told ya superdave, I can find PhD's in many science related fields who also subscribe to the "science" of creation.

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Oct 7, 2014 13:28:19   #
Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon
 
Blacksheep wrote:
Fat. 5' 9" and 158 pounds. Hmmm. You are truly brilliant, I can tell by the excellent quality of your above sneer, so cleverly designed to get me into a free-for-all with you. So very clever I just don't know how I'm going to pass it up, so let me tell you.... oh wait, someone's at the door, stay right there now, I'll be right back........


Ether way a pig is a pig, 158 lbs of big mouth crap!

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Oct 7, 2014 13:28:21   #
Blacksheep
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
How many square miles of permafrost are there in the world?


It's covered with it. We're all doomed.

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Oct 7, 2014 13:46:30   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Blacksheep wrote:
It's covered with it. We're all doomed.


Alarmist.

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Oct 7, 2014 14:55:08   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
How many square miles of permafrost are there in the world?


You're the scientist.
You tell us.

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Oct 7, 2014 15:14:45   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Loki wrote:
You're the scientist.
You tell us.


9 million square miles. The depth is roughly 1 to two meters. As it melts it absorbs heat. It will absorb heat until its completely free of solids. That's also a lot of heat to absorb. It also results in a lot of methane which is 33 times more potent a greenhouse gas than CO2.

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Oct 7, 2014 18:49:35   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
9 million square miles. The depth is roughly 1 to two meters. As it melts it absorbs heat. It will absorb heat until its completely free of solids. That's also a lot of heat to absorb. It also results in a lot of methane which is 33 times more potent a greenhouse gas than CO2.


According to Climate Central, even if we ceased all emissions, the permafrost melt will continue. Climate change is not the question; rather, the amount that is manmade is the controversy, as opposed to what occurs naturally.

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Oct 8, 2014 10:42:54   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Loki wrote:
I sort of stumbled across this article while searching for something else. For all you Chicken Littles who insist that "the sky is falling and the earth is warming!"; one of your favorite sources for your doomsaying, NASA, is apparently throwing you under the bus. I wonder how many of the "97%" of all RESPONSIBLE scientists are employed by NASA? [For that matter, I have never seen ANY documentation of ANY 97% of scientists who agree with this premise].

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The deep ocean may not be hiding heat after all, raising new questions about why global warming appears to have slowed in recent years, said the US space agency Monday.

Scientists have noticed that while greenhouse gases have continued to mount in the first part of the 21st century, global average surface air temperatures have stopped rising along with them, said NASA.

Some studies have suggested that heat is being absorbed temporarily by the deep seas, and that this so-called global warming hiatus is a temporary trend.

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But latest data from satellite and direct ocean temperature measurements from 2005 to 2013 "found the ocean abyss below 1.24 miles (1,995 meters) has not warmed measurably," NASA said in a statement.

The findings present a new puzzle to scientists, but co-author Josh Willis of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) said the reality of climate change is not being thrown into doubt.

"The sea level is still rising," said Willis.

"We're just trying to understand the nitty-gritty details."

A separate study in August in the journal Science said the apparent slowdown in the Earth's surface warming in the last 15 years could be due to that heat being trapped in the deep Atlantic and Southern Ocean.

But the NASA researchers said their approach, described in the journal Nature Climate Change, is the first to test the idea using satellite observations, as well as direct temperature measurements of the upper ocean.

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"The deep parts of the ocean are harder to measure," said researcher William Llovel of NASA JPL.

"The combination of satellite and direct temperature data gives us a glimpse of how much sea level rise is due to deep warming. The answer is -- not much."
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Loki,

Talk about putting a spin on things, I think this excerpt is the same as what you posted, but with a very different conclusion..

Earth Journal
New evidence suggests Earth's oceans are warming far faster than we knew
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By Ron Meador | 10/07/14
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Warmer waters in the upper oceans have larger long-term surface-level consequences than deep-ocean warming — like the melting of ice now stored on land.

New evidence indicates that the world's seawater has been absorbing far more heat than expected over the last 45 years, scientists at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory are saying in a paper published Sunday in the journal Nature Climate Change.

In fact, they say, the oceans may be warming twice as fast as has been generally assumed.

Meanwhile, a second paper in the same journal suggests that most of the warming is not going into deep-ocean storage but rather is remaining in the upper levels, at depths above 6,000 feet.

The artical is a bit long to post all of it, but if you fallow the link, it is an interesting read...

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Oct 8, 2014 10:58:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Loki wrote:
According to Climate Central, even if we ceased all emissions, the permafrost melt will continue. Climate change is not the question; rather, the amount that is manmade is the controversy, as opposed to what occurs naturally.


Agreed.

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Oct 8, 2014 11:16:12   #
Pulfnick Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
Obviously arguing politics is entertaining. But from an actual scientific standpoint, anthropogenic global warming is simply an unsupported “what if” used by corrupt scientists to enrich themselves and by envirofascists and politicians to control and destroy major sectors of our economy. There is NO solid scientific evidence to support it.

Besides you true believers relying on blind faith, are there any serious proponents out there?

If so, please cite irrefutable, scientific proof of anthropogenic global warming. In other words, provide evidence that man’s CO2 emissions dominate the combined effects of solar activity, volcanic activity, water vapor, and massive natural emissions of CO2 to raise global temperatures.

Don’t bother citing corrupt, junk scientific papers based on the premise that they do, that all CO2 comes from humans, or using models designed to support it but unable to both reflect history and make accurate projections.

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Oct 8, 2014 11:28:04   #
rocketride
 
As I've said before, if those who claim that the Earth's atmosphere/ hydrosphere are disastrously warming and that human activities are the primary cause would occasionally propose a solution that didn't funnel ever more political power (and money) into their own and their bosses' hands; and maybe if the loudest voices screaming that people must curtail their carbon emissions made some efforts to curtail their own (yes, Algore and Lenny and Benny (among others), I'm talking about you); maybe we'd be a little bit less skeptical. Especially given the mixed bag of evidence on the subject, and it's a mixed bag whether you count warmists' known propensity to cherry-pick and even, on occasion cook data to fabricate scary looking charts or not. And, frankly, anyone who shows up at a "climate change" (are y'all still calling it that this week?) protest having gotten there by private jet or 200+ foot (non-sail powered) yacht is raising hypocrisy and hubris to epic levels.




nwtk2007 wrote:
You are exactly right. Poor guys like superdave and blacksheep have difficulty understanding how science works and are into the political fall out of what they perceive as a conspiracy to use climate theory to make our situation worse, rob us of money and empower the government.

Their view is, unfortunate, but its their view, none the less.

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Oct 8, 2014 12:35:55   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Loki wrote:
To those of you "in science," knowing the difference between "witch," and "which" is apparently unimportant. So tell me, "scientist," in witch field of science do you hold a degree? Oh, yes, professor, when I have a chest pain, I go to a cardiologist. You see, not being ejamakated reel gud like yu, I choose which doctor will best suit my needs, and leave visiting the witch doctor to you PhDs. (Piled higher and deeper ).


Got me on the "which" doctor. Darn.

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