Loki Loc: Georgia

I sort of stumbled across this article while searching for something else. For all you Chicken Littles who insist that "the sky is falling and the earth is warming!"; one of your favorite sources for your doomsaying, NASA, is apparently throwing you under the bus. I wonder how many of the "97%" of all RESPONSIBLE scientists are employed by NASA? [For that matter, I have never seen ANY documentation of ANY 97% of scientists who agree with this premise].

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NASA Scientists Puzzled by Global Cooling on Land and Sea
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Monday, 06 Oct 2014 12:36 PM


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The deep ocean may not be hiding heat after all, raising new questions about why global warming appears to have slowed in recent years, said the US space agency Monday.

Scientists have noticed that while greenhouse gases have continued to mount in the first part of the 21st century, global average surface air temperatures have stopped rising along with them, said NASA.

Some studies have suggested that heat is being absorbed temporarily by the deep seas, and that this so-called global warming hiatus is a temporary trend.

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But latest data from satellite and direct ocean temperature measurements from 2005 to 2013 "found the ocean abyss below 1.24 miles (1,995 meters) has not warmed measurably," NASA said in a statement.

The findings present a new puzzle to scientists, but co-author Josh Willis of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) said the reality of climate change is not being thrown into doubt.

"The sea level is still rising," said Willis.

"We're just trying to understand the nitty-gritty details."

A separate study in August in the journal Science said the apparent slowdown in the Earth's surface warming in the last 15 years could be due to that heat being trapped in the deep Atlantic and Southern Ocean.

But the NASA researchers said their approach, described in the journal Nature Climate Change, is the first to test the idea using satellite observations, as well as direct temperature measurements of the upper ocean.

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"The deep parts of the ocean are harder to measure," said researcher William Llovel of NASA JPL.

"The combination of satellite and direct temperature data gives us a glimpse of how much sea level rise is due to deep warming. The answer is -- not much."

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

To those of us in science, this is normal science. Continually observing and refining our theories and altering them as new information becomes available.

To you, it being about nothing more tha winning an argument, its interpreted as "throwing the "chicken little" under the bus. Very immature and indicative of a total lack of understanding of how science works. Good thing science doesn't work that way, else you'd just have to go to the local which doctor to have that chest pain examined.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Did you know that we know more about what's outside our solar system, than we do about our own planet? Probably not, since your research is haphazard, at best. It's not surprising that people are confused, as scientists seem to post everything they think they discover, before they even understand WHAT it is they've discovered. Data means nothing and can be interpreted many different ways and it depends on one's viewpoint as to how it is interpreted.

If climate change is a hoax, a trick or a conspiracy of some sort, why is there so much effort put into trying to disprove it? Because it's a terrifying concept. We have no clue as to why certain things happen, such as rising ocean temperatures and the increasing acidity of the seas. We don't know what it means either, nor can we predict what the results will be in years to come. We can make computer models that suggest what will happen, but those depend on the data entered and the programs used. We don't even have enough knowledge to be confident of those either.

That the climate is changing should no longer be in contention, everyone around the world acknowledges this phenomenon. When discussing what it all means, requires a lot of guessing and those that claim " I know" are lying. What we DO know, is that a hell of a lot more research and study is needed. The consequences may be dire if we don't. This may be a prelude to an extinction event and if it is, we need to know as soon as possible. Doing nothing is no longer an option either.

Loki Loc: Georgia

To those of you "in science," knowing the difference between "witch," and "which" is apparently unimportant. So tell me, "scientist," in witch field of science do you hold a degree? Oh, yes, professor, when I have a chest pain, I go to a cardiologist. You see, not being ejamakated reel gud like yu, I choose which doctor will best suit my needs, and leave visiting the witch doctor to you PhDs. (Piled higher and deeper ).

JimMe

What do you mean "Good thing science doesn't work that way..." & "that way" is "throwing the 'chicken little' under the bus..."?!?

Science has ALWAYS acted immature... Remember Galileo?!?... Global Warming/Climate Change is merely the latest incidents... Science's Road is Strewn with body's with bus tire tracks...

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Interesting comment.

Loki Loc: Georgia

My research is not haphazard. This is not research. It is an interesting article, offered to all those people who worship at the altar of NASA, and consider any statement they make to be holy writ. When I research a subject, it contains more than one little article that piqued my interest. Climate change is happening. How much is manmade is the question.

Blacksheep

"Editor's Note: NASA Expert: Sun Cycles To Cause 30 Year Cold Spell"

Well, there ya go. Sun cycles. All that focus on an increase of atmospheric carbon dioxide by what? .005%, something like that, when all it takes to cool off the planet is a very slight decrease in solar activity. Our Sun goes through output cycles.

We have increased atmospheric CO2, or something has, since the advent of the Industrial Revolution and our increasing burning of fossil fuels, releasing lots of CO2 into the air, and this very likely could cause an increase in the greenhouse effect, since CO2 is a "very potent", as Wikipedia puts it, greenhouse gas. The Wikipedia article also states flatly that the Earth is warming because of this CO2 increase, which I think is crap, however, since even NASA, as you point out, says that the opposite is true.

What I think is happening is that Earth's climate is CHANGING. Just because Polar ice is melting does NOT mean that the Earth is getting warmer, it just means that the poles are getting warmer. The fact is, other places are getting colder and overall, the Earth really appears to be cooling rather than warming.

In fact, it looks to me that the increase in CO2 is a good thing from a human standpoint, because we're actually overdue for another Ice Age, which is probably triggered in good part by the cooling cycle of the Sun, and by increasing our Greenhouse Effect we're staving off that Ice Age, possibly even preventing it. Without an increase in the Greenhouse Effect to offset lessened Sun heat, we might already be seeing winter lasting well into June.

So for all those who are shedding feathers over Climate Change (since they've mostly dropped the Global Warming hue and cry now), there's a real good chance you folks may soon be calling for the re-opening of all those coal mines. Because it's going to get colder, not warmer.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

The issue of manmade versus natural order, is what allowed this to become politicized. The reality is, it doesn't matter. We simply need to understand what is happening and why and THEN determine the source. Did you know that there is more methane released from the thawing permafrost, than from all the cows in the world combined? Yet certain people want to pick one event and make that the focus of their research and sales pitches. That isn't science. We can no more determine how much methane comes out of one cow and it's effects on the atmosphere, than we can how much methane I produce myself and my contribution.

Determining what one wants to believe and then searching for data to support that belief, is not science. The propensity of scientists to exaggerate their small contributions to the overall picture, is what drives much of the controversy. We have turned science into a continual search for money and the scientists into politicians.

Blacksheep

Speak for yourself. My methane production is prodigious, voluminous, magnificent and truly nonpareil in both quantity and bouquet.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

You are exactly right. Poor guys like superdave and blacksheep have difficulty understanding how science works and are into the political fall out of what they perceive as a conspiracy to use climate theory to make our situation worse, rob us of money and empower the government.

Their view is, unfortunate, but its their view, none the less.

Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon

And all of that and more out of your disgusting mouth orifice...he here's an idea try some crazy glue on your lips, it would be fun to see a fat pig like you explode!!

Blacksheep

Fat. 5' 9" and 158 pounds. Hmmm. You are truly brilliant, I can tell by the excellent quality of your above sneer, so cleverly designed to get me into a free-for-all with you. So very clever I just don't know how I'm going to pass it up, so let me tell you.... oh wait, someone's at the door, stay right there now, I'll be right back........

Loki Loc: Georgia

Once more, in what field of science do you hold a degree? You have referred to yourself as a scientist. It is only reasonable to expect a degree showing some sort of expertise.

Nickolai

As the permafrost melts in the north, forests no longer grow straight.
Sarah James, an Alaska Native elder, says global warming is radically changing her homeland. Even the forests no longer grow straight. Melting ground has caused trees to tilt or fall.
"Because permafrost melts, it causes a lot of erosion," says James, who lives in Arctic Village, a small Native American village in northeastern Alaska. "A lot of trees can't stand up straight. If the erosion gets worse, everything goes with it."
Permafrost is permanently frozen ground. But climate change has caused much of that ground to melt at an unprecedented rate. The ground buckles and sinks, causing trees to list at extreme angles.
Sometimes the trees survive the stress and continue growing, uprighting themselves to vertical. Other times they collapse or drown from rising water tables as subterranean ice melts. Because such trees seem to stagger across the landscape, people often call them "drunken trees."
Although trees can lean or curve for a number of reasons, including disturbance of soil caused by man-made excavations or landslides, the melting permafrost is making leaning trees more prevalent.
It's not just trees. Slumping land caused by melting permafrost also cracks pavement, breaks pipelines, and opens holes, causing expensive damage to houses and roads. "We have whole families who have had to move because their houses are not safe anymore," says James.
Wildlife has been affected by the shifting landscape as well. James has seen declines in spawning fish, nesting birds, and small mammals. Some climate models have predicted that most permafrost could melt by the end of the century. Jorgenson thinks it will take longer, since soil layers above the frozen ground are good insulators. But the area north of Fairbanks is predicted to warm by four to six degrees Celsius by the end of the century.