The Conservative's dilemma (Page 2): Somewhat, but not quite. They were originally a group that broke away from the Republican Party in 1884. They claimed to be political activists in...

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

manning5 wrote:

Isn't that the definition of a Mugwump?

Somewhat, but not quite. They were originally a group that broke away from the Republican Party in 1884. They claimed to be political activists in the United States who were intensely opposed to political corruption. They were never formally organized. Typically they switched parties from the Republican Party by supporting Democratic candidate Grover Cleveland in the presidential election of 1884. They switched because they rejected the long history of corruption associated with Republican candidate James G. Blaine. In a close election, the Mugwumps claimed they made the difference in New York state and swung the election to Cleveland. The jocular word "mugwump", noted as early as 1832, is from Algonquian mugquomp, "important person, kingpin", implying that they were "sanctimonious" or "holier-than-thou" in holding themselves aloof from party politics.

Big Kahuna

slatten49 wrote:

Henry R. Greenfield

What are some things conservatives are right about?

Conservatives are actually right (in theory) on just about everything. They are pro family (in theory), pro life (again in theory), they are pro competition (but not if they can’t control it), they are pro national pride (but only if you are blindly obedient), they are pro schools, but only if if you pay for it in your school districts.

They are pro just about everything that everyone would want to be pro about and that is around the world, not just in the USA.

Only one thing, they don’t do anything that they are pro about, except they are pro business, big business and pro corporate capitalism meaning all the breaks go to largest corps, lobbyists and mega rich who get tax breaks. They are pro family but they don’t want to support families, especially they don’t want to support single women.

Does any of this make sense? I, along with 70% of Americans and most of the world am a ‘conservative’ in that I want to conserve our resources, I want to conserve our environment, I want to conserve life and make sure that health care is provided so that we can meet that goal.

I could go on, do you get it? Conservatives are exactly what the majority of the world including Americans want. They don’t want hand outs, they don’t want to sit on their bums, they don’t want to be on drugs, they don’t want to be unemployed, they don’t want to be homeless, but they are.

Why? Because so called conservative policies are not conservative at all. They promote the rich, they promote the elites, they promote a narrow agenda, they promote racism ...just as the far left promotes racism.

In the end, the global dilemma, especially in the US is where do true conservatives go? They have no place; they are stuck watching two angry bookends; the left who are entitlement oriented and the far right who are angry we are not going to give up whatever illusion they they they are going to give up; and are stuck with no one to represent them.

Why do you think our former president was successful? He had no solutions but he tapped into the obvious, the world is full of conservative people who just want to get on with their lives and make sure they have a fair go. As for the extremes, true conservatives are disgusted by both and that is where we stand today.

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The demorats are anti-American and proud of it. If any party can be called an insurrectionist party, it's the demonic Demorat commie party. The commie Demorat party should be made illegal in the US since it is a subversive group of commies seeking to destroy our great country.

Rose42

slatten49 wrote:

Henry R. Greenfield

What are some things conservatives are right about?

Conservatives are actually right (in theory) on just about everything. They are pro family (in theory), pro life (again in theory), they are pro competition (but not if they can’t control it), they are pro national pride (but only if you are blindly obedient), they are pro schools, but only if if you pay for it in your school districts.

They are pro just about everything that everyone would want to be pro about and that is around the world, not just in the USA.

Only one thing, they don’t do anything that they are pro about, except they are pro business, big business and pro corporate capitalism meaning all the breaks go to largest corps, lobbyists and mega rich who get tax breaks. They are pro family but they don’t want to support families, especially they don’t want to support single women.

Does any of this make sense? I, along with 70% of Americans and most of the world am a ‘conservative’ in that I want to conserve our resources, I want to conserve our environment, I want to conserve life and make sure that health care is provided so that we can meet that goal.

I could go on, do you get it? Conservatives are exactly what the majority of the world including Americans want. They don’t want hand outs, they don’t want to sit on their bums, they don’t want to be on drugs, they don’t want to be unemployed, they don’t want to be homeless, but they are.

Why? Because so called conservative policies are not conservative at all. They promote the rich, they promote the elites, they promote a narrow agenda, they promote racism ...just as the far left promotes racism.

In the end, the global dilemma, especially in the US is where do true conservatives go? They have no place; they are stuck watching two angry bookends; the left who are entitlement oriented and the far right who are angry we are not going to give up whatever illusion they they they are going to give up; and are stuck with no one to represent them.

Why do you think our former president was successful? He had no solutions but he tapped into the obvious, the world is full of conservative people who just want to get on with their lives and make sure they have a fair go. As for the extremes, true conservatives are disgusted by both and that is where we stand today.

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Good article.

guzzimaestro

Strycker wrote:

A true statement. Most want to be left alone by government to live their own lives. The progressive left wants to control people's choices as much as the far right. Neither side should be blindly accepted by the majority of people. But, they are easily manipulated to do just that using the Marc Antony type speech.

The author states that conservatives support the rich. That sweeping generalization is inaccurate. We support the economic engine that perpetuates capitalism. The "rich" are the job creators. Opportunities are there for those who want to work for them. Welfare was only meant to help those who either were temporarily struggling or were physically unable to work. Democrats have made it into a whole industry and occupation. That's why we have only a 60% labor participation rate today and a "president" who screams from the roof tops about how great he is by bringing back a handful of jobs that his hairbrained policies have eliminated. Ha!

Big dog

Strycker wrote:

A true statement. Most want to be left alone by government to live their own lives. The progressive left wants to control people's choices as much as the far right. Neither side should be blindly accepted by the majority of people. But, they are easily manipulated to do just that using the Marc Antony type speech.

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agatemaggot Loc: waterloo iowa

American Vet wrote:

Extremely biased pinion piece, devoid of facts and filled with hyperbole.

YUP !

Dwight Logan

Evidently, you have not read much of the information about how we conservatives live. My latest book called essential learning skills goes into great detail about life and education.
I am proud to be a protestant, educated conservative.
The only democrat for whom I voted for since I have voted in every election since Ike ran was my uncle who ran as a Democrat as Mayor of our town. There were only five democrats in a town 0f 15,000 and he won by a landslide. The Republican running against him had the Democrat's bumper sticker on his car.

By the way, not every democrat is perfect also.

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

American Vet wrote:

And I consider myself to be a 'Constitutional, pragmatic libertarian' except on 2 issues.

OK, I will show my ignorance! What two issues are you writing about there?

libertarian in lower case?

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

slatten49 wrote:

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The more familiar and more recent connotation of Mugwump is a bird sitting on a fence with his head on one side and his tail on the other. In other words, a fence-sitter!

American Vet

manning5 wrote:

OK, I will show my ignorance! What two issues are you writing about there?

libertarian in lower case?

My own personal opinions: I am opposed to abortion for convenience, and I believe every person (male and female) should spend 18 months in 'service': That can be military, or some service such as working in a VA hospital, etc. Everyone - no exceptions except medical.

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

American Vet wrote:

My own personal opinions: I am opposed to abortion for convenience, and I believe every person (male and female) should spend 18 months in 'service': That can be military, or some service such as working in a VA hospital, etc. Everyone - no exceptions except medical.

Very good, I have the same opinions! Well, except I want National Service to be at least 24 months, and open to slots everywhere in government that doesn't need a clearance, and with the possibility for permanent positions.

Big dog

manning5 wrote:

Very good, I have the same opinions! Well, except I want National Service to be at least 24 months, and open to slots everywhere in government that doesn't need a clearance, and with the possibility for permanent positions.

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American Vet

manning5 wrote:

Very good, I have the same opinions! Well, except I want National Service to be at least 24 months, and open to slots everywhere in government that doesn't need a clearance, and with the possibility for permanent positions.

Radiance3

slatten49 wrote:

Henry R. Greenfield

What are some things conservatives are right about?

Conservatives are actually right (in theory) on just about everything. They are pro family (in theory), pro life (again in theory), they are pro competition (but not if they can’t control it), they are pro national pride (but only if you are blindly obedient), they are pro schools, but only if if you pay for it in your school districts.

They are pro just about everything that everyone would want to be pro about and that is around the world, not just in the USA.

Only one thing, they don’t do anything that they are pro about, except they are pro business, big business and pro corporate capitalism meaning all the breaks go to largest corps, lobbyists and mega rich who get tax breaks. They are pro family but they don’t want to support families, especially they don’t want to support single women.

Does any of this make sense? I, along with 70% of Americans and most of the world am a ‘conservative’ in that I want to conserve our resources, I want to conserve our environment, I want to conserve life and make sure that health care is provided so that we can meet that goal.

I could go on, do you get it? Conservatives are exactly what the majority of the world including Americans want. They don’t want hand outs, they don’t want to sit on their bums, they don’t want to be on drugs, they don’t want to be unemployed, they don’t want to be homeless, but they are.

Why? Because so called conservative policies are not conservative at all. They promote the rich, they promote the elites, they promote a narrow agenda, they promote racism ...just as the far left promotes racism.

In the end, the global dilemma, especially in the US is where do true conservatives go? They have no place; they are stuck watching two angry bookends; the left who are entitlement oriented and the far right who are angry we are not going to give up whatever illusion they they they are going to give up; and are stuck with no one to represent them.

Why do you think our former president was successful? He had no solutions but he tapped into the obvious, the world is full of conservative people who just want to get on with their lives and make sure they have a fair go. As for the extremes, true conservatives are disgusted by both and that is where we stand today.

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Greenfield was partially correct, as he tried to indicate
some of the positive values of conservatism.

However, as he moved on, his principles diverted to the ideologies of the LEFT. He became negative and ended to defending the destructive elements and ways how the progressives conduct their immoral, violent, and dishonest lives. Thus Greenfield ended up positioning to the LEFT.. [/b]

The values of Conservatism when applied to all fields of living always ends to peace, success, and prosperity. It has been the foundation for 2,5 centuries of how the US emerged as the most successful, generous, and dependable country in the world.

What is conservatism?
What are the key attributes of American conservatism today?

7 Core Principles of Conservatism
1. Individual Freedom. The birth of our great nation was inspired by the bold declaration that our individual, God-given liberties should be preserved against government intrusion. ...
2. Limited Government, more power for the people.
3. The Rule of Law, guided under the constitution/
4. Peace through Strength. President Reagan had proven that peace thru strength is the best barrier of foreign aggressions.
5. Fiscal Responsibility. Stable and strong economic stability ensures provisions for all the citizens.
6. Free Markets. Capitalism is the engine of economic successes thru innovation, hard work, and personal discipline.
7. Human Dignity. Overall, it creates human integrity, dignity, security and respect.

Until recently there are tens of millions people who came to this country, adding to the left overs of incompetents. They can't discipline their own selves following these principles, they resort to various ways how to stop these conservatives. They resort to violence, by destroying the people they could not compete with.

They now use the CRT, and the WOKE system. The CRT and WOKE, started applications in kids of public schools, by preventing or isolating the smart kids to move up . The purpose is making the smart kids dumb to equal with the dumb for equity.

Then violence and destructions against those who strived working hard and with great hopes of success thru hard work. To destroy them, the progressive dumb and lazy ones, destroy their stores, steal and loot them, until they are gone or kill them
Notice that those LIBERAL cities populated by incompetent progressives have the most number of violence. R.E. Chiacgo, NYC, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, Portland.

These are the products of so-called progressives. These destructive people all belong to the Socialist-democrats.

In dealing with financial matters either government of private entities, conservatism has been the principle applied. Why? Because it has proven results of success, stability, security, and growth.

When a country or person is strong, and conservative, they are dependable and useful to the others who are weak. This is the overall concept of CONSERVATISM, not only to financial, but to human dignity, a gift of God.

Wonttakeitanymore

slatten49 wrote:

You only do so when it appears to be one with which you disagree. Those biased opinion pieces with which you agree or align, you either praise or remain silent. That has you following the words of George Washington...

"It's only natural for unbridled partisanship, unrestrained by allegiance to a greater cause, to lead to chaos."

That’s because they are true! Leftist pieces are usually lies and exaggerations