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Mar 1, 2021 21:36:31   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
EmilyD wrote:
They don't get that what they're spewing is the new reality - they just don't see the change of the guard yet, apparently.

When they DO see that the Constitution is just an old piece of paper than means nothing because they keep bypassing the laws in it, and they realize that the "one party system" that will lead into a dictatorship and fascism and therefore Socialism and then Communism is THEIR OWN PARTY...And when they realize that "it's the highway or my way" means the party of President Harris...er...Biden...er...Harris is the one controlling all of this and they better follow step or get out, then they will get that Trump has left the building and they are up to their necks in the pile of crap that they've made this country into!

I hope it's not too late to clean it up. We better take back the House and Senate in 2022 or we're screwed. And not just Republicans, either.
They don't get that what they're spewing is the ne... (show quote)


Do you think taking it back by force will work this time ?

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Mar 1, 2021 21:39:11   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
manning5 wrote:
That we are now! Whiney 12 year old Geesers, all 75 million of us! Ki Yi Yippy Doodle! The Lone Ranger Rides Again! Hi Ho Silver! Awayyyyy! Oh, and Jack, you know Jack? Jack Armstrong, the All American Boy! We never back down from a fight! Let's Make America Great Again! Whoopee!

Go back to your den!


Go back to your shadows where you came from.

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Mar 1, 2021 21:54:07   #
EmilyD
 
Milosia2 wrote:
That’s an awful lot of supposition and speculation, there, Emily.
Trump lost you the House !
Trump lost you the Senate !
And
Trump lost you the Presidency!
I hope he keeps talking because he losing listeners on a daily basis.
Free yourself , Emily, be free of Trumps nonsense, no good will come of him.


That's quite a supposition that Trump lost me the Presidency. You know you and I will NEVER agree why Trump is not the President anymore. And what I believe is that he didn't lose it, it was stolen right from under him because of the chaos caused by the China virus, and the very rigged election.

You better hope he stops talking because he made a speech yesterday, that the world saw, to Americans and his millions and millions of supporters that he hit right out of the park! They saw a man in charge. Someone who can think on his feet. Someone who has a vision for his country and the people who live in it...and who can speak coherently and logically about that vision. Not like your current blathering demented stumble bum of a fake Puppet-in-Chief, who "puts a lid" on his day at 11:00 AM and goes floundering back to his basement to take a nap for the rest of the day.

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Mar 1, 2021 22:07:03   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Shame !
I’m standing on solid ground, you I’m not so sure about.
What is there for me to be shameful about.
Especially when I am talking to republicans.
Where is their shame is a better question.
How do they sleep at night ?
This country still protects your freedom and Liberty. Why would you want to get rid of that ? In favor of what ?
Please enlighten me ! In a fascist country like the one you are striving for, the interlopers at the Capital January 6 would’ve all been shot, and maybe should have.
Please enlighten me !
Shame ! br I’m standing on solid ground, you I’m n... (show quote)


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You are employing reverse psychology here, little one.
You try to accuse us of exactly what you are doing!
That calls for shame, because it is a lie you trying to foster onto us.
One cannot "enlighten" a door knob.

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Mar 1, 2021 22:16:54   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
manning5 wrote:
What are we going to do?

For Trump supporters and for avid Constitutionals, this is a burning question! Is there sufficient cause to undergo such a fateful enterprise as revolution against our government? This is not an easy question at all, since we are dedicated to the 240-year-old form of government we have had, are very loyal to it, and do not want to totally disrupt our way of life without serious evidence of the necessity to act. Our generation was brought up with intimate knowledge and appreciation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

The movement to change our way of governing has been long in preparation, and it stems from several causes that are antagonistic to our republican state.

Collectivism

The first and foremost threat are the so-called progressives, socialists and communists in our midst that have had a master plan to take over our nation for a long, long time. That plan was first published by Antonio Gramski, an Italian communist, as the slow, step-by-step, non-physical manner of attack on a nation to convert it to communism. The Gramski method was taken up by Saul Alinsky in his “Rules for Radicals”, and further supported by Cloward and Pivin: and, all of their details can be looked up on line in Wikipedia.

The total number of Marxist and the like followers here in the US is simply not known, but a considerable number voted for Biden in his highly dubious win of the presidency over Donald Trump. The chaos Biden and Harris will create is yet to be fully understood, but the obvious beginning measure is frightening: our National Debt is headed for at least another $3 or $4 Trillion, running the total up to $33 or $34 Trillion, or even more, which by many measures is not sustainable.


China

The second threatening movement has been initialized by the People’s Republic of China (PRC), that have stealthily integrated themselves into our industry and financial sectors to steal our industrial and military secrets to feed their own growing industrial and military powers. We typically have well over 250,000 Chinese students in our colleges and universities, whose allegiance is obviously to the PRC, yet they penetrate our society almost at will because of our lenient policies and their lavish use of money to purchase or bribe their way. The PRC is dedicated to world domination and we are their prime target.

Islam

The third threatening movement is Islam, whose will and plan to dominate the world for the Islamic way of governing and worshiping is also dedicated to overthrowing the United States by long-term stealth. By some counts, they already have over 11 million citizens and non-citizens in the US out of their 1.5 billion worldwide, and they have dispensation to integrate into US society and even religions until the time comes to act. This movement is well-financed by the oil magnates of the Middle East.

It would pay dividends if more American citizens were to read their defining documents: the Koran, the Shariah Law, the Hadith, the Sura and the Sunnah; even the Fatwas that guide their daily actions. Or, at least find summaries that reliably report their content. Looking up Jihad on line would be a real eyeopener! The Muslims are taking full advantage of the freedom of religion we enjoy to undermine the nation.

So here we are, loyal Americans, the nation’s population of about 350 million souls, most of them intensely patriotic, but simply unaware or poorly aware of the dangerous and building activities the three anti-American movements are executing as I write here. Even if they are aware, there is no known unifying call to defend the nation or organization and leadership to lead the way. There must be a wake-up call all around!

A common thread to these attacks on America seems to be the necessity to reduce the nation to chaos, bankruptcy, military weakness and moral decay, before seizing control of the situation and rebuilding the nation along their desired lines. This is the classic methods of Marxism and Islam. Our Constitution as written stands in their way, hence the intense efforts to bring it down, subvert its principals, and throw open the gates of anarchy.

Globalization

While the final movement winner is not clear, we have yet to account for a more insidious movement: globalization of government under one or a sort of amalgam of the threat movements to achieve mastery of a world government. I suggest that the Communistic forces are the greater threat. One wonders how many US and world citizens support the notion of a communistic world government and the elimination of US sovereignty, as well as the sovereignty of 120 or so other nations.

This would come along with iron rule of our citizenry by foreigners in an un-elected world government. A government with the power of its own military to force nations in line. What matters to these people is the power of the US. If we are reduced to relative helplessness, the rest of the world’s nations will more easily fall. We could be left in the chaos they have created for a long time.

The first answer to the question of revolt is: No, Not Now!
If Republicans retake the House and Senate in 2022 and the Presidency in 2024, or sooner, we may gain a breather from our enemies. Only if, however, the Republicans and the President are not only aware of the threats and debate it incessantly, but also take many serious actions to stop it all.

One may ask, “is that too late?” I do not know. Would the Republicans be effective after the 2022 win, with a Biden/Harris or just Harris administration still on top? I am not sure, but it doesn’t seem likely. The 2024 election is far away.

The second and highly speculative answer is: The Sooner the Better! In this case, we would need a lot to happen that may or may not be underway right now. I do not know this either. We would need the right leadership, the majority of the military with all of its weaponry, all of the militias in the states, and a majority of our citizens support of the actions to recover the Constitution, to remove the proven traitors in government, to eliminate the threats as rapidly as possible, and to return the US to its former self.

Our citizens, a great majority of them, would have to step up and demand the return to a sane government, and for them to do that, they must become fully aware of the situation and the evidence of anti-American activity, and must be provoked by the actions from on high, triggered you might say, to take whatever action is needed.

Obviously, the further danger in this event would be the rise of a dictatorial government of some kind here in the US, spawned by their success in thwarting our enemies, just as many third world nations have, and that they would be self-perpetuating. OOPS!

This is indeed a tall order any way you want to go!

What is the right answer? I do not know!
What are we going to do? br br For Trump supporte... (show quote)


My guess is, the 240,000,000 Americans NOT whining about the election.................................

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Mar 1, 2021 22:28:37   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Shame !
I’m standing on solid ground, you I’m not so sure about.
What is there for me to be shameful about.
Especially when I am talking to republicans.
Where is their shame is a better question.
How do they sleep at night ?
This country still protects your freedom and Liberty. Why would you want to get rid of that ? In favor of what ?
Please enlighten me ! In a fascist country like the one you are striving for, the interlopers at the Capital January 6 would’ve all been shot, and maybe should have.
Please enlighten me !
Shame ! br I’m standing on solid ground, you I’m n... (show quote)


You're standing in mud on top of rotten wood with a deep abyss beneath.

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Mar 1, 2021 22:37:42   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
lpnmajor wrote:
My guess is, the 240,000,000 Americans NOT whining about the election.................................


Well, a good quarter of them are still in diapers; another quarter are ersatz Americans; a final quarter are idiots looking for freebees; That leaves only 60,000,000 scrabble to carry the torch, if even that many. It isn't hard to whiplash the diaper, ersatz and idiot class with 15 million good'uns, and 60 million good'uns to go face to face with the scrabble.!

My math may be off, but the idea sticks!

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Mar 2, 2021 04:45:12   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Go back to your shadows where you came from.


The shadows are lovely this year! Not just black, but many shades of grey, purple, beige, red, pink, blue, green and white streaks! A delightful walk in the twilight, peaceful, comforting, and safe. Try it sometime when you wake up from your long sleep.

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Mar 2, 2021 07:02:43   #
Cuda2020
 
Weasel wrote:
Trump has left the building! We The People have to stand up for America now. And we have to stand strong. As for the left,, I doubt that they have the backbone to stand in the way of our efforts to bring back the America of the sixties when we truly were united and prospering.
When innovation was the promise of our future.
Biden has us on our way to a 34 Trillion Dollar Debt. So let's talk about spending.


Like I said where was your concern four years ago, no answer, yeah I didn't think so. Now Biden is Coming in with a Pandemic to over come. WE the People voted for our elected president. Someone with not only backbone, but also morals and integrity. The only thing you folks brought back was the old prejudices as we watch white supremacy grow at a rapid pace under Trump. Why do you guys always want to move backwards? Get over wanting to live in the past. Have the backbone to move forward.

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Mar 2, 2021 07:06:54   #
Cuda2020
 
manning5 wrote:
The shadows are lovely this year! Not just black, but many shades of grey, purple, beige, red, pink, blue, green and white streaks! A delightful walk in the twilight, peaceful, comforting, and safe. Try it sometime when you wake up from your long sleep.


I see those meds must be working.

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Mar 2, 2021 07:07:34   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Like I said where was your concern four years ago, no answer, yeah I didn't think so. Now Biden is Coming in with a Pandemic to over come. WE the People voted for our elected president. Someone with not only backbone, but also morals and integrity. The only thing you folks brought back was the old prejudices as we watch white supremacy grow at a rapid pace under Trump. Why do you guys always want to move backwards? Get over wanting to live in the past. Have the backbone to move forward.


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Move forward to what end? Strengthen our government and our economy, or do a lot with good intensions in a local sense that is nationally and globally devastating?

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Mar 2, 2021 07:09:07   #
Cuda2020
 
EmilyD wrote:
That's quite a supposition that Trump lost me the Presidency. You know you and I will NEVER agree why Trump is not the President anymore. And what I believe is that he didn't lose it, it was stolen right from under him because of the chaos caused by the China virus, and the very rigged election.

You better hope he stops talking because he made a speech yesterday, that the world saw, to Americans and his millions and millions of supporters that he hit right out of the park! They saw a man in charge. Someone who can think on his feet. Someone who has a vision for his country and the people who live in it...and who can speak coherently and logically about that vision. Not like your current blathering demented stumble bum of a fake Puppet-in-Chief, who "puts a lid" on his day at 11:00 AM and goes floundering back to his basement to take a nap for the rest of the day.
That's quite a supposition that Trump lost me the ... (show quote)


Well that's one perspective...

The basement, and who created that little lie pray tell? Hmmmm, More propaganda lies you swallow. yum yum

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Mar 2, 2021 07:24:04   #
skyrider
 
manning5 wrote:
What are we going to do?

For Trump supporters and for avid Constitutionals, this is a burning question! Is there sufficient cause to undergo such a fateful enterprise as revolution against our government? This is not an easy question at all, since we are dedicated to the 240-year-old form of government we have had, are very loyal to it, and do not want to totally disrupt our way of life without serious evidence of the necessity to act. Our generation was brought up with intimate knowledge and appreciation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

The movement to change our way of governing has been long in preparation, and it stems from several causes that are antagonistic to our republican state.

Collectivism

The first and foremost threat are the so-called progressives, socialists and communists in our midst that have had a master plan to take over our nation for a long, long time. That plan was first published by Antonio Gramski, an Italian communist, as the slow, step-by-step, non-physical manner of attack on a nation to convert it to communism. The Gramski method was taken up by Saul Alinsky in his “Rules for Radicals”, and further supported by Cloward and Pivin: and, all of their details can be looked up on line in Wikipedia.

The total number of Marxist and the like followers here in the US is simply not known, but a considerable number voted for Biden in his highly dubious win of the presidency over Donald Trump. The chaos Biden and Harris will create is yet to be fully understood, but the obvious beginning measure is frightening: our National Debt is headed for at least another $3 or $4 Trillion, running the total up to $33 or $34 Trillion, or even more, which by many measures is not sustainable.


China

The second threatening movement has been initialized by the People’s Republic of China (PRC), that have stealthily integrated themselves into our industry and financial sectors to steal our industrial and military secrets to feed their own growing industrial and military powers. We typically have well over 250,000 Chinese students in our colleges and universities, whose allegiance is obviously to the PRC, yet they penetrate our society almost at will because of our lenient policies and their lavish use of money to purchase or bribe their way. The PRC is dedicated to world domination and we are their prime target.

Islam

The third threatening movement is Islam, whose will and plan to dominate the world for the Islamic way of governing and worshiping is also dedicated to overthrowing the United States by long-term stealth. By some counts, they already have over 11 million citizens and non-citizens in the US out of their 1.5 billion worldwide, and they have dispensation to integrate into US society and even religions until the time comes to act. This movement is well-financed by the oil magnates of the Middle East.

It would pay dividends if more American citizens were to read their defining documents: the Koran, the Shariah Law, the Hadith, the Sura and the Sunnah; even the Fatwas that guide their daily actions. Or, at least find summaries that reliably report their content. Looking up Jihad on line would be a real eyeopener! The Muslims are taking full advantage of the freedom of religion we enjoy to undermine the nation.

So here we are, loyal Americans, the nation’s population of about 350 million souls, most of them intensely patriotic, but simply unaware or poorly aware of the dangerous and building activities the three anti-American movements are executing as I write here. Even if they are aware, there is no known unifying call to defend the nation or organization and leadership to lead the way. There must be a wake-up call all around!

A common thread to these attacks on America seems to be the necessity to reduce the nation to chaos, bankruptcy, military weakness and moral decay, before seizing control of the situation and rebuilding the nation along their desired lines. This is the classic methods of Marxism and Islam. Our Constitution as written stands in their way, hence the intense efforts to bring it down, subvert its principals, and throw open the gates of anarchy.

Globalization

While the final movement winner is not clear, we have yet to account for a more insidious movement: globalization of government under one or a sort of amalgam of the threat movements to achieve mastery of a world government. I suggest that the Communistic forces are the greater threat. One wonders how many US and world citizens support the notion of a communistic world government and the elimination of US sovereignty, as well as the sovereignty of 120 or so other nations.

This would come along with iron rule of our citizenry by foreigners in an un-elected world government. A government with the power of its own military to force nations in line. What matters to these people is the power of the US. If we are reduced to relative helplessness, the rest of the world’s nations will more easily fall. We could be left in the chaos they have created for a long time.

The first answer to the question of revolt is: No, Not Now!
If Republicans retake the House and Senate in 2022 and the Presidency in 2024, or sooner, we may gain a breather from our enemies. Only if, however, the Republicans and the President are not only aware of the threats and debate it incessantly, but also take many serious actions to stop it all.

One may ask, “is that too late?” I do not know. Would the Republicans be effective after the 2022 win, with a Biden/Harris or just Harris administration still on top? I am not sure, but it doesn’t seem likely. The 2024 election is far away.

The second and highly speculative answer is: The Sooner the Better! In this case, we would need a lot to happen that may or may not be underway right now. I do not know this either. We would need the right leadership, the majority of the military with all of its weaponry, all of the militias in the states, and a majority of our citizens support of the actions to recover the Constitution, to remove the proven traitors in government, to eliminate the threats as rapidly as possible, and to return the US to its former self.

Our citizens, a great majority of them, would have to step up and demand the return to a sane government, and for them to do that, they must become fully aware of the situation and the evidence of anti-American activity, and must be provoked by the actions from on high, triggered you might say, to take whatever action is needed.

Obviously, the further danger in this event would be the rise of a dictatorial government of some kind here in the US, spawned by their success in thwarting our enemies, just as many third world nations have, and that they would be self-perpetuating. OOPS!

This is indeed a tall order any way you want to go!

What is the right answer? I do not know!
What are we going to do? br br For Trump supporte... (show quote)


Excellent post Manning. Remember that you are among the few who really comprehend the severity of this mess. In my observation there are only 2 options for the country. One option, because of apathy, immorality, ect., that has been so successfully implemented through years of brainwashing and demoralization , is to watch as the country crumbles to 3rd world or worse status. This is the likely outcome. The 2nd option is for independent realists to organize and carry out a revolution much like the 1776 revolutionary war. I see this degree of organization as impossible to implement. Wish I could have some optimism but I do not. America's 245 years has already exceeded it's expected life expectancy. In short , it's over. Our only concern now is to take care of ourselves.

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Mar 2, 2021 07:40:36   #
Cuda2020
 
manning5 wrote:
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Friend, the current President, God bless his un-democratic reign, is drowning the nation in further debt via illegal EO Open Borders, a $15 minimum wage, expenditures for AGW, and a long list of job-killing actions. This is not what America and our Republic are all about, never mind your rant. Conservatives must counter all of this nonsense.


God bless his un-democratic reign, that's very funny, seriously. The right was living a false real victory the entire time Trump was in office, once Bernie backed out, which he did for the cause, Trump wasn't going to win, he new that, why don't you? Why else would he start to clammer about a false election results before it even started! For Pete's sake man, and yet you all still bought it. Amazing really.

Minimum wage wouldn't have to take such a giant step if congress, on both sides, had addressed the issue, let's say at least a decade ago, just to be kind. By now it is beyond ridiculous, right now people are working an hour just to be able to buy a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk, just saying to try and put things in perspective for you. Personally I don't think that big of a step is wise, especially right now. What I think they should do is increase to $12.00 dollars hr. with scheduled increases every year, just as they do with government employees and their cost of living adjustments.

We'll see about his job killing actions and the actions done by right leaning companies, that's what it truly comes down to, along with gas prices. Industry will put on the pressure and stroke the people like Trump who kiss their arse and fall into line, be damned the economy or the environment.

I like the way you guys have these long posts but our short replies are rants, LOL

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Mar 2, 2021 07:50:53   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Milosia2 wrote:
The one glaring question I have is why has the right chosen to hate Democracy ?
It has been working quite well up until 1980 when Reagan decided government was bad. But he didn’t say who it was bad for. The rich, elites and corporations.
The bottom end of the Republican spectrum has taken this corporate talking point as their own. It is not their talking point.
A perfect example is Trumps campaign promises in 2016 were strictly from the progressive agenda. So, people voted for a progressive agenda that Trump suddenly forgot all about after elected. He was never a working mans president. He’s done nothing for working people only the rich.
Where was the outrage ???
Still to this day they haven’t figured out the hoodwinking trump accomplished at their expense.
Government has a role with its citizens to help the commons become more profitable.
Government is the Enemy of corporate America. It has regulations for safety of workers, regulations that infringe on profit, a fine example is what happened in texas last week.
It’s role is to help its citizens.
With the portion trade, manufacture, workforce’s.
The goverment is not the
Enemy of the People . It is an essential partner. Investments in people creates a an atmosphere for wealth to thrive by paying for the things that would be a hindrance to businesses, like roads, highways, bridges, power, water, sewer.
Otherwise known as infrastructure.
Private investment will Never pay for these things.
As we have seen with the largest bailouts of all time have gone to the biggest too big to fail corporations. No help for the citizens.
This must change. It must change also by not calling help to citizens by government commie Marxist socialistic takeover of a country. It wasn’t before Reagan and is not now. Government has an essential role in this nation. However, it should not be sequestered only for the top 29% of the country. We have been brainwashed into believing we are somehow not worthy of government help. To accept government help you will labeled worthless and weak and a communist, Marxist socialist. We don’t say this about all the help that has been sent straight to the top for the past 50 years. Look at what trump gave away to the top 30%. $7Billion to corporate farms, $9Trillion as tax breaks. Plus trump was using taxpayer money to buy stocks for companies in trouble, another $7trillion.
Before you know it it looks like alot of money that has only benefited the top percent of the population.
We pay taxes into this government and as a democracy we have say in where this wealth of the country should be spent.
Free colleges s only a start. If we look more at how the government can make this country better overall we see places where money would be better spent than just giving it to rich people who don’t need it and don’t even want it anymore.
Warren Buffet much to the dismay of his children gave his fortune to Bill Gates.
So they would have more motivation to do things on their own.
This is similar to the perils of communism,
Whereby, there is no longer a push for greatness or wealth.
I would like to know where the republicans that have so faithfully carried around their own personal copy of
The United States Constitution in their pockets have gone?
What happened?????
When they all become Fascist Nazis.
Anti democratic , Anti American, Anti Law
Anti Fair Legal Elections,
Anti Everything that isn’t them.
They are all now on a hell bound train to nowhere.
Now what, more complaining about how wrong everyone else is ?
The one glaring question I have is why has the rig... (show quote)


Best economy, lowest unemployment, most minorities working in our countries history.
And along comes the virus.

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