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Mar 1, 2021 18:40:41   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
What are we going to do?

For Trump supporters and for avid Constitutionals, this is a burning question! Is there sufficient cause to undergo such a fateful enterprise as revolution against our government? This is not an easy question at all, since we are dedicated to the 240-year-old form of government we have had, are very loyal to it, and do not want to totally disrupt our way of life without serious evidence of the necessity to act. Our generation was brought up with intimate knowledge and appreciation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

The movement to change our way of governing has been long in preparation, and it stems from several causes that are antagonistic to our republican state.

Collectivism

The first and foremost threat are the so-called progressives, socialists and communists in our midst that have had a master plan to take over our nation for a long, long time. That plan was first published by Antonio Gramski, an Italian communist, as the slow, step-by-step, non-physical manner of attack on a nation to convert it to communism. The Gramski method was taken up by Saul Alinsky in his “Rules for Radicals”, and further supported by Cloward and Pivin: and, all of their details can be looked up on line in Wikipedia.

The total number of Marxist and the like followers here in the US is simply not known, but a considerable number voted for Biden in his highly dubious win of the presidency over Donald Trump. The chaos Biden and Harris will create is yet to be fully understood, but the obvious beginning measure is frightening: our National Debt is headed for at least another $3 or $4 Trillion, running the total up to $33 or $34 Trillion, or even more, which by many measures is not sustainable.


China

The second threatening movement has been initialized by the People’s Republic of China (PRC), that have stealthily integrated themselves into our industry and financial sectors to steal our industrial and military secrets to feed their own growing industrial and military powers. We typically have well over 250,000 Chinese students in our colleges and universities, whose allegiance is obviously to the PRC, yet they penetrate our society almost at will because of our lenient policies and their lavish use of money to purchase or bribe their way. The PRC is dedicated to world domination and we are their prime target.

Islam

The third threatening movement is Islam, whose will and plan to dominate the world for the Islamic way of governing and worshiping is also dedicated to overthrowing the United States by long-term stealth. By some counts, they already have over 11 million citizens and non-citizens in the US out of their 1.5 billion worldwide, and they have dispensation to integrate into US society and even religions until the time comes to act. This movement is well-financed by the oil magnates of the Middle East.

It would pay dividends if more American citizens were to read their defining documents: the Koran, the Shariah Law, the Hadith, the Sura and the Sunnah; even the Fatwas that guide their daily actions. Or, at least find summaries that reliably report their content. Looking up Jihad on line would be a real eyeopener! The Muslims are taking full advantage of the freedom of religion we enjoy to undermine the nation.

So here we are, loyal Americans, the nation’s population of about 350 million souls, most of them intensely patriotic, but simply unaware or poorly aware of the dangerous and building activities the three anti-American movements are executing as I write here. Even if they are aware, there is no known unifying call to defend the nation or organization and leadership to lead the way. There must be a wake-up call all around!

A common thread to these attacks on America seems to be the necessity to reduce the nation to chaos, bankruptcy, military weakness and moral decay, before seizing control of the situation and rebuilding the nation along their desired lines. This is the classic methods of Marxism and Islam. Our Constitution as written stands in their way, hence the intense efforts to bring it down, subvert its principals, and throw open the gates of anarchy.

Globalization

While the final movement winner is not clear, we have yet to account for a more insidious movement: globalization of government under one or a sort of amalgam of the threat movements to achieve mastery of a world government. I suggest that the Communistic forces are the greater threat. One wonders how many US and world citizens support the notion of a communistic world government and the elimination of US sovereignty, as well as the sovereignty of 120 or so other nations.

This would come along with iron rule of our citizenry by foreigners in an un-elected world government. A government with the power of its own military to force nations in line. What matters to these people is the power of the US. If we are reduced to relative helplessness, the rest of the world’s nations will more easily fall. We could be left in the chaos they have created for a long time.

The first answer to the question of revolt is: No, Not Now!
If Republicans retake the House and Senate in 2022 and the Presidency in 2024, or sooner, we may gain a breather from our enemies. Only if, however, the Republicans and the President are not only aware of the threats and debate it incessantly, but also take many serious actions to stop it all.

One may ask, “is that too late?” I do not know. Would the Republicans be effective after the 2022 win, with a Biden/Harris or just Harris administration still on top? I am not sure, but it doesn’t seem likely. The 2024 election is far away.

The second and highly speculative answer is: The Sooner the Better! In this case, we would need a lot to happen that may or may not be underway right now. I do not know this either. We would need the right leadership, the majority of the military with all of its weaponry, all of the militias in the states, and a majority of our citizens support of the actions to recover the Constitution, to remove the proven traitors in government, to eliminate the threats as rapidly as possible, and to return the US to its former self.

Our citizens, a great majority of them, would have to step up and demand the return to a sane government, and for them to do that, they must become fully aware of the situation and the evidence of anti-American activity, and must be provoked by the actions from on high, triggered you might say, to take whatever action is needed.

Obviously, the further danger in this event would be the rise of a dictatorial government of some kind here in the US, spawned by their success in thwarting our enemies, just as many third world nations have, and that they would be self-perpetuating. OOPS!

This is indeed a tall order any way you want to go!

What is the right answer? I do not know!

Reply
Mar 1, 2021 19:08:42   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
manning5 wrote:
What are we going to do?

For Trump supporters and for avid Constitutionals, this is a burning question! Is there sufficient cause to undergo such a fateful enterprise as revolution against our government? This is not an easy question at all, since we are dedicated to the 240-year-old form of government we have had, are very loyal to it, and do not want to totally disrupt our way of life without serious evidence of the necessity to act. Our generation was brought up with intimate knowledge and appreciation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

The movement to change our way of governing has been long in preparation, and it stems from several causes that are antagonistic to our republican state.

Collectivism

The first and foremost threat are the so-called progressives, socialists and communists in our midst that have had a master plan to take over our nation for a long, long time. That plan was first published by Antonio Gramski, an Italian communist, as the slow, step-by-step, non-physical manner of attack on a nation to convert it to communism. The Gramski method was taken up by Saul Alinsky in his “Rules for Radicals”, and further supported by Cloward and Pivin: and, all of their details can be looked up on line in Wikipedia.

The total number of Marxist and the like followers here in the US is simply not known, but a considerable number voted for Biden in his highly dubious win of the presidency over Donald Trump. The chaos Biden and Harris will create is yet to be fully understood, but the obvious beginning measure is frightening: our National Debt is headed for at least another $3 or $4 Trillion, running the total up to $33 or $34 Trillion, or even more, which by many measures is not sustainable.


China

The second threatening movement has been initialized by the People’s Republic of China (PRC), that have stealthily integrated themselves into our industry and financial sectors to steal our industrial and military secrets to feed their own growing industrial and military powers. We typically have well over 250,000 Chinese students in our colleges and universities, whose allegiance is obviously to the PRC, yet they penetrate our society almost at will because of our lenient policies and their lavish use of money to purchase or bribe their way. The PRC is dedicated to world domination and we are their prime target.

Islam

The third threatening movement is Islam, whose will and plan to dominate the world for the Islamic way of governing and worshiping is also dedicated to overthrowing the United States by long-term stealth. By some counts, they already have over 11 million citizens and non-citizens in the US out of their 1.5 billion worldwide, and they have dispensation to integrate into US society and even religions until the time comes to act. This movement is well-financed by the oil magnates of the Middle East.

It would pay dividends if more American citizens were to read their defining documents: the Koran, the Shariah Law, the Hadith, the Sura and the Sunnah; even the Fatwas that guide their daily actions. Or, at least find summaries that reliably report their content. Looking up Jihad on line would be a real eyeopener! The Muslims are taking full advantage of the freedom of religion we enjoy to undermine the nation.

So here we are, loyal Americans, the nation’s population of about 350 million souls, most of them intensely patriotic, but simply unaware or poorly aware of the dangerous and building activities the three anti-American movements are executing as I write here. Even if they are aware, there is no known unifying call to defend the nation or organization and leadership to lead the way. There must be a wake-up call all around!

A common thread to these attacks on America seems to be the necessity to reduce the nation to chaos, bankruptcy, military weakness and moral decay, before seizing control of the situation and rebuilding the nation along their desired lines. This is the classic methods of Marxism and Islam. Our Constitution as written stands in their way, hence the intense efforts to bring it down, subvert its principals, and throw open the gates of anarchy.

Globalization

While the final movement winner is not clear, we have yet to account for a more insidious movement: globalization of government under one or a sort of amalgam of the threat movements to achieve mastery of a world government. I suggest that the Communistic forces are the greater threat. One wonders how many US and world citizens support the notion of a communistic world government and the elimination of US sovereignty, as well as the sovereignty of 120 or so other nations.

This would come along with iron rule of our citizenry by foreigners in an un-elected world government. A government with the power of its own military to force nations in line. What matters to these people is the power of the US. If we are reduced to relative helplessness, the rest of the world’s nations will more easily fall. We could be left in the chaos they have created for a long time.

The first answer to the question of revolt is: No, Not Now!
If Republicans retake the House and Senate in 2022 and the Presidency in 2024, or sooner, we may gain a breather from our enemies. Only if, however, the Republicans and the President are not only aware of the threats and debate it incessantly, but also take many serious actions to stop it all.

One may ask, “is that too late?” I do not know. Would the Republicans be effective after the 2022 win, with a Biden/Harris or just Harris administration still on top? I am not sure, but it doesn’t seem likely. The 2024 election is far away.

The second and highly speculative answer is: The Sooner the Better! In this case, we would need a lot to happen that may or may not be underway right now. I do not know this either. We would need the right leadership, the majority of the military with all of its weaponry, all of the militias in the states, and a majority of our citizens support of the actions to recover the Constitution, to remove the proven traitors in government, to eliminate the threats as rapidly as possible, and to return the US to its former self.

Our citizens, a great majority of them, would have to step up and demand the return to a sane government, and for them to do that, they must become fully aware of the situation and the evidence of anti-American activity, and must be provoked by the actions from on high, triggered you might say, to take whatever action is needed.

Obviously, the further danger in this event would be the rise of a dictatorial government of some kind here in the US, spawned by their success in thwarting our enemies, just as many third world nations have, and that they would be self-perpetuating. OOPS!

This is indeed a tall order any way you want to go!

What is the right answer? I do not know!
What are we going to do? br br For Trump supporte... (show quote)


EXCELLENT Read
Our starting point, in order to return to the America that we all grew up with and revere must begin at our borders. Once we make our stand (And it must be a strong and definitive stand) then and only then will Congress, Senate, and Washington, including 100% of the lobbyists, realize that Americans are a force to be reckoned with. We must make these Politicians realize that they work for us, We The People.!!

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Mar 1, 2021 19:08:58   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
manning5 wrote:
What are we going to do?

For Trump supporters and for avid Constitutionals, this is a burning question! Is there sufficient cause to undergo such a fateful enterprise as revolution against our government? This is not an easy question at all, since we are dedicated to the 240-year-old form of government we have had, are very loyal to it, and do not want to totally disrupt our way of life without serious evidence of the necessity to act. Our generation was brought up with intimate knowledge and appreciation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

The movement to change our way of governing has been long in preparation, and it stems from several causes that are antagonistic to our republican state.

Collectivism

The first and foremost threat are the so-called progressives, socialists and communists in our midst that have had a master plan to take over our nation for a long, long time. That plan was first published by Antonio Gramski, an Italian communist, as the slow, step-by-step, non-physical manner of attack on a nation to convert it to communism. The Gramski method was taken up by Saul Alinsky in his “Rules for Radicals”, and further supported by Cloward and Pivin: and, all of their details can be looked up on line in Wikipedia.

The total number of Marxist and the like followers here in the US is simply not known, but a considerable number voted for Biden in his highly dubious win of the presidency over Donald Trump. The chaos Biden and Harris will create is yet to be fully understood, but the obvious beginning measure is frightening: our National Debt is headed for at least another $3 or $4 Trillion, running the total up to $33 or $34 Trillion, or even more, which by many measures is not sustainable.


China

The second threatening movement has been initialized by the People’s Republic of China (PRC), that have stealthily integrated themselves into our industry and financial sectors to steal our industrial and military secrets to feed their own growing industrial and military powers. We typically have well over 250,000 Chinese students in our colleges and universities, whose allegiance is obviously to the PRC, yet they penetrate our society almost at will because of our lenient policies and their lavish use of money to purchase or bribe their way. The PRC is dedicated to world domination and we are their prime target.

Islam

The third threatening movement is Islam, whose will and plan to dominate the world for the Islamic way of governing and worshiping is also dedicated to overthrowing the United States by long-term stealth. By some counts, they already have over 11 million citizens and non-citizens in the US out of their 1.5 billion worldwide, and they have dispensation to integrate into US society and even religions until the time comes to act. This movement is well-financed by the oil magnates of the Middle East.

It would pay dividends if more American citizens were to read their defining documents: the Koran, the Shariah Law, the Hadith, the Sura and the Sunnah; even the Fatwas that guide their daily actions. Or, at least find summaries that reliably report their content. Looking up Jihad on line would be a real eyeopener! The Muslims are taking full advantage of the freedom of religion we enjoy to undermine the nation.

So here we are, loyal Americans, the nation’s population of about 350 million souls, most of them intensely patriotic, but simply unaware or poorly aware of the dangerous and building activities the three anti-American movements are executing as I write here. Even if they are aware, there is no known unifying call to defend the nation or organization and leadership to lead the way. There must be a wake-up call all around!

A common thread to these attacks on America seems to be the necessity to reduce the nation to chaos, bankruptcy, military weakness and moral decay, before seizing control of the situation and rebuilding the nation along their desired lines. This is the classic methods of Marxism and Islam. Our Constitution as written stands in their way, hence the intense efforts to bring it down, subvert its principals, and throw open the gates of anarchy.

Globalization

While the final movement winner is not clear, we have yet to account for a more insidious movement: globalization of government under one or a sort of amalgam of the threat movements to achieve mastery of a world government. I suggest that the Communistic forces are the greater threat. One wonders how many US and world citizens support the notion of a communistic world government and the elimination of US sovereignty, as well as the sovereignty of 120 or so other nations.

This would come along with iron rule of our citizenry by foreigners in an un-elected world government. A government with the power of its own military to force nations in line. What matters to these people is the power of the US. If we are reduced to relative helplessness, the rest of the world’s nations will more easily fall. We could be left in the chaos they have created for a long time.

The first answer to the question of revolt is: No, Not Now!
If Republicans retake the House and Senate in 2022 and the Presidency in 2024, or sooner, we may gain a breather from our enemies. Only if, however, the Republicans and the President are not only aware of the threats and debate it incessantly, but also take many serious actions to stop it all.

One may ask, “is that too late?” I do not know. Would the Republicans be effective after the 2022 win, with a Biden/Harris or just Harris administration still on top? I am not sure, but it doesn’t seem likely. The 2024 election is far away.

The second and highly speculative answer is: The Sooner the Better! In this case, we would need a lot to happen that may or may not be underway right now. I do not know this either. We would need the right leadership, the majority of the military with all of its weaponry, all of the militias in the states, and a majority of our citizens support of the actions to recover the Constitution, to remove the proven traitors in government, to eliminate the threats as rapidly as possible, and to return the US to its former self.

Our citizens, a great majority of them, would have to step up and demand the return to a sane government, and for them to do that, they must become fully aware of the situation and the evidence of anti-American activity, and must be provoked by the actions from on high, triggered you might say, to take whatever action is needed.

Obviously, the further danger in this event would be the rise of a dictatorial government of some kind here in the US, spawned by their success in thwarting our enemies, just as many third world nations have, and that they would be self-perpetuating. OOPS!

This is indeed a tall order any way you want to go!

What is the right answer? I do not know!
What are we going to do? br br For Trump supporte... (show quote)


CHAAAAAAAARGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Mar 1, 2021 19:09:15   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
Can't dispute much and we do have a lot to think about and prepare for. Liberty and freedom are everyday battles. If we ever back off, remember, they don't. There goal is evil and must be stopped. You ended up mentioning the dictatorial government. That is what the Democrats are planning for and must be stopped

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Mar 1, 2021 19:21:24   #
Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile
 
manning5 wrote:
What are we going to do?

For Trump supporters and for avid Constitutionals, this is a burning question! Is there sufficient cause to undergo such a fateful enterprise as revolution against our government? This is not an easy question at all, since we are dedicated to the 240-year-old form of government we have had, are very loyal to it, and do not want to totally disrupt our way of life without serious evidence of the necessity to act. Our generation was brought up with intimate knowledge and appreciation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

The movement to change our way of governing has been long in preparation, and it stems from several causes that are antagonistic to our republican state.

Collectivism

The first and foremost threat are the so-called progressives, socialists and communists in our midst that have had a master plan to take over our nation for a long, long time. That plan was first published by Antonio Gramski, an Italian communist, as the slow, step-by-step, non-physical manner of attack on a nation to convert it to communism. The Gramski method was taken up by Saul Alinsky in his “Rules for Radicals”, and further supported by Cloward and Pivin: and, all of their details can be looked up on line in Wikipedia.

The total number of Marxist and the like followers here in the US is simply not known, but a considerable number voted for Biden in his highly dubious win of the presidency over Donald Trump. The chaos Biden and Harris will create is yet to be fully understood, but the obvious beginning measure is frightening: our National Debt is headed for at least another $3 or $4 Trillion, running the total up to $33 or $34 Trillion, or even more, which by many measures is not sustainable.


China

The second threatening movement has been initialized by the People’s Republic of China (PRC), that have stealthily integrated themselves into our industry and financial sectors to steal our industrial and military secrets to feed their own growing industrial and military powers. We typically have well over 250,000 Chinese students in our colleges and universities, whose allegiance is obviously to the PRC, yet they penetrate our society almost at will because of our lenient policies and their lavish use of money to purchase or bribe their way. The PRC is dedicated to world domination and we are their prime target.

Islam

The third threatening movement is Islam, whose will and plan to dominate the world for the Islamic way of governing and worshiping is also dedicated to overthrowing the United States by long-term stealth. By some counts, they already have over 11 million citizens and non-citizens in the US out of their 1.5 billion worldwide, and they have dispensation to integrate into US society and even religions until the time comes to act. This movement is well-financed by the oil magnates of the Middle East.

It would pay dividends if more American citizens were to read their defining documents: the Koran, the Shariah Law, the Hadith, the Sura and the Sunnah; even the Fatwas that guide their daily actions. Or, at least find summaries that reliably report their content. Looking up Jihad on line would be a real eyeopener! The Muslims are taking full advantage of the freedom of religion we enjoy to undermine the nation.

So here we are, loyal Americans, the nation’s population of about 350 million souls, most of them intensely patriotic, but simply unaware or poorly aware of the dangerous and building activities the three anti-American movements are executing as I write here. Even if they are aware, there is no known unifying call to defend the nation or organization and leadership to lead the way. There must be a wake-up call all around!

A common thread to these attacks on America seems to be the necessity to reduce the nation to chaos, bankruptcy, military weakness and moral decay, before seizing control of the situation and rebuilding the nation along their desired lines. This is the classic methods of Marxism and Islam. Our Constitution as written stands in their way, hence the intense efforts to bring it down, subvert its principals, and throw open the gates of anarchy.

Globalization

While the final movement winner is not clear, we have yet to account for a more insidious movement: globalization of government under one or a sort of amalgam of the threat movements to achieve mastery of a world government. I suggest that the Communistic forces are the greater threat. One wonders how many US and world citizens support the notion of a communistic world government and the elimination of US sovereignty, as well as the sovereignty of 120 or so other nations.

This would come along with iron rule of our citizenry by foreigners in an un-elected world government. A government with the power of its own military to force nations in line. What matters to these people is the power of the US. If we are reduced to relative helplessness, the rest of the world’s nations will more easily fall. We could be left in the chaos they have created for a long time.

The first answer to the question of revolt is: No, Not Now!
If Republicans retake the House and Senate in 2022 and the Presidency in 2024, or sooner, we may gain a breather from our enemies. Only if, however, the Republicans and the President are not only aware of the threats and debate it incessantly, but also take many serious actions to stop it all.

One may ask, “is that too late?” I do not know. Would the Republicans be effective after the 2022 win, with a Biden/Harris or just Harris administration still on top? I am not sure, but it doesn’t seem likely. The 2024 election is far away.

The second and highly speculative answer is: The Sooner the Better! In this case, we would need a lot to happen that may or may not be underway right now. I do not know this either. We would need the right leadership, the majority of the military with all of its weaponry, all of the militias in the states, and a majority of our citizens support of the actions to recover the Constitution, to remove the proven traitors in government, to eliminate the threats as rapidly as possible, and to return the US to its former self.

Our citizens, a great majority of them, would have to step up and demand the return to a sane government, and for them to do that, they must become fully aware of the situation and the evidence of anti-American activity, and must be provoked by the actions from on high, triggered you might say, to take whatever action is needed.

Obviously, the further danger in this event would be the rise of a dictatorial government of some kind here in the US, spawned by their success in thwarting our enemies, just as many third world nations have, and that they would be self-perpetuating. OOPS!

This is indeed a tall order any way you want to go!

What is the right answer? I do not know!
What are we going to do? br br For Trump supporte... (show quote)


At the risk of sounding like a Sicilianthingcopycat, Militia! 🗽

But things would have to get a lot worse first to shake us fat mammals out of our complacency. 🐑

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Mar 1, 2021 19:37:13   #
Cuda2020
 
manning5 wrote:
What are we going to do?

For Trump supporters and for avid Constitutionals, this is a burning question! Is there sufficient cause to undergo such a fateful enterprise as revolution against our government? This is not an easy question at all, since we are dedicated to the 240-year-old form of government we have had, are very loyal to it, and do not want to totally disrupt our way of life without serious evidence of the necessity to act. Our generation was brought up with intimate knowledge and appreciation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

The movement to change our way of governing has been long in preparation, and it stems from several causes that are antagonistic to our republican state.

Collectivism

The first and foremost threat are the so-called progressives, socialists and communists in our midst that have had a master plan to take over our nation for a long, long time. That plan was first published by Antonio Gramski, an Italian communist, as the slow, step-by-step, non-physical manner of attack on a nation to convert it to communism. The Gramski method was taken up by Saul Alinsky in his “Rules for Radicals”, and further supported by Cloward and Pivin: and, all of their details can be looked up on line in Wikipedia.

The total number of Marxist and the like followers here in the US is simply not known, but a considerable number voted for Biden in his highly dubious win of the presidency over Donald Trump. The chaos Biden and Harris will create is yet to be fully understood, but the obvious beginning measure is frightening: our National Debt is headed for at least another $3 or $4 Trillion, running the total up to $33 or $34 Trillion, or even more, which by many measures is not sustainable.
What are we going to do? br br For Trump supporte... (show quote)

I'll only tap on a couple of things here.

Ah yes here we go, the right, the republicans being the "true patriots" and the arbiters of the Constitution, no not quite, just the reverse, as they have exploited the constitution time and time again and have been diligently working towards a one party(their party) system that follows more of a dictatorship and fascist movement, especially following Trump. It is our way or the highway mentality. You better follow step, or you're out. You are not one of us.

As far as the debt, really, so where was all this concern four years ago when Trump took over a country with it's economic growth way on the way of its continued upswing? He continued to spend and on what? he kept bragging about all the employment yet continued over spending and I'm not talking about the pandemic.

This type of read serves no purpose but to create contention and anger, this is what creates a revolution, it doesn't seek to come together where we can.

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Mar 1, 2021 19:48:55   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
I'll only tap on a couple of things here.

Ah yes here we go, the right, the republicans being the "true patriots" and the arbiters of the Constitution, no not quite, just the reverse, as they have exploited the constitution time and time again and have been diligently working towards a one party(their party) system that follows more of a dictatorship and fascist movement, especially following Trump. It is our way or the highway mentality. You better follow step, or you're out. You are not one of us.

As far as the debt, really, so where was all this concern four years ago when Trump took over a country with it's economic growth way on the way of its continued upswing? He continued to spend and on what? he kept bragging about all the employment yet continued over spending and I'm not talking about the pandemic.

This type of read serves no purpose but to create contention and anger, this is what creates a revolution, it doesn't seek to come together where we can.
I'll only tap on a couple of things here. br br A... (show quote)


Trump has left the building! We The People have to stand up for America now. And we have to stand strong. As for the left,, I doubt that they have the backbone to stand in the way of our efforts to bring back the America of the sixties when we truly were united and prospering.
When innovation was the promise of our future.
Biden has us on our way to a 34 Trillion Dollar Debt. So let's talk about spending.

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Mar 1, 2021 19:49:58   #
kemmer
 
manning5 wrote:
What are we going to do?

For Trump supporters and for avid Constitutionals, this is a burning question! Is there sufficient cause to undergo such a fateful enterprise as revolution against our government? This is not an easy question at all, since we are dedicated to the 240-year-old form of government we have had, are very loyal to it, and do not want to totally disrupt our way of life without serious evidence of the necessity to act. Our generation was brought up with intimate knowledge and appreciation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

The movement to change our way of governing has been long in preparation, and it stems from several causes that are antagonistic to our republican state.

Collectivism

The first and foremost threat are the so-called progressives, socialists and communists in our midst that have had a master plan to take over our nation for a long, long time. That plan was first published by Antonio Gramski, an Italian communist, as the slow, step-by-step, non-physical manner of attack on a nation to convert it to communism. The Gramski method was taken up by Saul Alinsky in his “Rules for Radicals”, and further supported by Cloward and Pivin: and, all of their details can be looked up on line in Wikipedia.

The total number of Marxist and the like followers here in the US is simply not known, but a considerable number voted for Biden in his highly dubious win of the presidency over Donald Trump. The chaos Biden and Harris will create is yet to be fully understood, but the obvious beginning measure is frightening: our National Debt is headed for at least another $3 or $4 Trillion, running the total up to $33 or $34 Trillion, or even more, which by many measures is not sustainable.


China

The second threatening movement has been initialized by the People’s Republic of China (PRC), that have stealthily integrated themselves into our industry and financial sectors to steal our industrial and military secrets to feed their own growing industrial and military powers. We typically have well over 250,000 Chinese students in our colleges and universities, whose allegiance is obviously to the PRC, yet they penetrate our society almost at will because of our lenient policies and their lavish use of money to purchase or bribe their way. The PRC is dedicated to world domination and we are their prime target.

Islam

The third threatening movement is Islam, whose will and plan to dominate the world for the Islamic way of governing and worshiping is also dedicated to overthrowing the United States by long-term stealth. By some counts, they already have over 11 million citizens and non-citizens in the US out of their 1.5 billion worldwide, and they have dispensation to integrate into US society and even religions until the time comes to act. This movement is well-financed by the oil magnates of the Middle East.

It would pay dividends if more American citizens were to read their defining documents: the Koran, the Shariah Law, the Hadith, the Sura and the Sunnah; even the Fatwas that guide their daily actions. Or, at least find summaries that reliably report their content. Looking up Jihad on line would be a real eyeopener! The Muslims are taking full advantage of the freedom of religion we enjoy to undermine the nation.

So here we are, loyal Americans, the nation’s population of about 350 million souls, most of them intensely patriotic, but simply unaware or poorly aware of the dangerous and building activities the three anti-American movements are executing as I write here. Even if they are aware, there is no known unifying call to defend the nation or organization and leadership to lead the way. There must be a wake-up call all around!

A common thread to these attacks on America seems to be the necessity to reduce the nation to chaos, bankruptcy, military weakness and moral decay, before seizing control of the situation and rebuilding the nation along their desired lines. This is the classic methods of Marxism and Islam. Our Constitution as written stands in their way, hence the intense efforts to bring it down, subvert its principals, and throw open the gates of anarchy.

Globalization

While the final movement winner is not clear, we have yet to account for a more insidious movement: globalization of government under one or a sort of amalgam of the threat movements to achieve mastery of a world government. I suggest that the Communistic forces are the greater threat. One wonders how many US and world citizens support the notion of a communistic world government and the elimination of US sovereignty, as well as the sovereignty of 120 or so other nations.

This would come along with iron rule of our citizenry by foreigners in an un-elected world government. A government with the power of its own military to force nations in line. What matters to these people is the power of the US. If we are reduced to relative helplessness, the rest of the world’s nations will more easily fall. We could be left in the chaos they have created for a long time.

The first answer to the question of revolt is: No, Not Now!
If Republicans retake the House and Senate in 2022 and the Presidency in 2024, or sooner, we may gain a breather from our enemies. Only if, however, the Republicans and the President are not only aware of the threats and debate it incessantly, but also take many serious actions to stop it all.

One may ask, “is that too late?” I do not know. Would the Republicans be effective after the 2022 win, with a Biden/Harris or just Harris administration still on top? I am not sure, but it doesn’t seem likely. The 2024 election is far away.

The second and highly speculative answer is: The Sooner the Better! In this case, we would need a lot to happen that may or may not be underway right now. I do not know this either. We would need the right leadership, the majority of the military with all of its weaponry, all of the militias in the states, and a majority of our citizens support of the actions to recover the Constitution, to remove the proven traitors in government, to eliminate the threats as rapidly as possible, and to return the US to its former self.

Our citizens, a great majority of them, would have to step up and demand the return to a sane government, and for them to do that, they must become fully aware of the situation and the evidence of anti-American activity, and must be provoked by the actions from on high, triggered you might say, to take whatever action is needed.

Obviously, the further danger in this event would be the rise of a dictatorial government of some kind here in the US, spawned by their success in thwarting our enemies, just as many third world nations have, and that they would be self-perpetuating. OOPS!

This is indeed a tall order any way you want to go!

What is the right answer? I do not know!
What are we going to do? br br For Trump supporte... (show quote)

Everything will work out. It’ll just take some time to clean up all the messes Trump made, and hopefully he’ll be tied up in various courtrooms for the foreseeable future to cause any more trouble.

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Mar 1, 2021 19:51:25   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
manning5 wrote:
What are we going to do?

For Trump supporters and for avid Constitutionals, this is a burning question! Is there sufficient cause to undergo such a fateful enterprise as revolution against our government? This is not an easy question at all, since we are dedicated to the 240-year-old form of government we have had, are very loyal to it, and do not want to totally disrupt our way of life without serious evidence of the necessity to act. Our generation was brought up with intimate knowledge and appreciation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

The movement to change our way of governing has been long in preparation, and it stems from several causes that are antagonistic to our republican state.

Collectivism

The first and foremost threat are the so-called progressives, socialists and communists in our midst that have had a master plan to take over our nation for a long, long time. That plan was first published by Antonio Gramski, an Italian communist, as the slow, step-by-step, non-physical manner of attack on a nation to convert it to communism. The Gramski method was taken up by Saul Alinsky in his “Rules for Radicals”, and further supported by Cloward and Pivin: and, all of their details can be looked up on line in Wikipedia.

The total number of Marxist and the like followers here in the US is simply not known, but a considerable number voted for Biden in his highly dubious win of the presidency over Donald Trump. The chaos Biden and Harris will create is yet to be fully understood, but the obvious beginning measure is frightening: our National Debt is headed for at least another $3 or $4 Trillion, running the total up to $33 or $34 Trillion, or even more, which by many measures is not sustainable.


China

The second threatening movement has been initialized by the People’s Republic of China (PRC), that have stealthily integrated themselves into our industry and financial sectors to steal our industrial and military secrets to feed their own growing industrial and military powers. We typically have well over 250,000 Chinese students in our colleges and universities, whose allegiance is obviously to the PRC, yet they penetrate our society almost at will because of our lenient policies and their lavish use of money to purchase or bribe their way. The PRC is dedicated to world domination and we are their prime target.

Islam

The third threatening movement is Islam, whose will and plan to dominate the world for the Islamic way of governing and worshiping is also dedicated to overthrowing the United States by long-term stealth. By some counts, they already have over 11 million citizens and non-citizens in the US out of their 1.5 billion worldwide, and they have dispensation to integrate into US society and even religions until the time comes to act. This movement is well-financed by the oil magnates of the Middle East.

It would pay dividends if more American citizens were to read their defining documents: the Koran, the Shariah Law, the Hadith, the Sura and the Sunnah; even the Fatwas that guide their daily actions. Or, at least find summaries that reliably report their content. Looking up Jihad on line would be a real eyeopener! The Muslims are taking full advantage of the freedom of religion we enjoy to undermine the nation.

So here we are, loyal Americans, the nation’s population of about 350 million souls, most of them intensely patriotic, but simply unaware or poorly aware of the dangerous and building activities the three anti-American movements are executing as I write here. Even if they are aware, there is no known unifying call to defend the nation or organization and leadership to lead the way. There must be a wake-up call all around!

A common thread to these attacks on America seems to be the necessity to reduce the nation to chaos, bankruptcy, military weakness and moral decay, before seizing control of the situation and rebuilding the nation along their desired lines. This is the classic methods of Marxism and Islam. Our Constitution as written stands in their way, hence the intense efforts to bring it down, subvert its principals, and throw open the gates of anarchy.

Globalization

While the final movement winner is not clear, we have yet to account for a more insidious movement: globalization of government under one or a sort of amalgam of the threat movements to achieve mastery of a world government. I suggest that the Communistic forces are the greater threat. One wonders how many US and world citizens support the notion of a communistic world government and the elimination of US sovereignty, as well as the sovereignty of 120 or so other nations.

This would come along with iron rule of our citizenry by foreigners in an un-elected world government. A government with the power of its own military to force nations in line. What matters to these people is the power of the US. If we are reduced to relative helplessness, the rest of the world’s nations will more easily fall. We could be left in the chaos they have created for a long time.

The first answer to the question of revolt is: No, Not Now!
If Republicans retake the House and Senate in 2022 and the Presidency in 2024, or sooner, we may gain a breather from our enemies. Only if, however, the Republicans and the President are not only aware of the threats and debate it incessantly, but also take many serious actions to stop it all.

One may ask, “is that too late?” I do not know. Would the Republicans be effective after the 2022 win, with a Biden/Harris or just Harris administration still on top? I am not sure, but it doesn’t seem likely. The 2024 election is far away.

The second and highly speculative answer is: The Sooner the Better! In this case, we would need a lot to happen that may or may not be underway right now. I do not know this either. We would need the right leadership, the majority of the military with all of its weaponry, all of the militias in the states, and a majority of our citizens support of the actions to recover the Constitution, to remove the proven traitors in government, to eliminate the threats as rapidly as possible, and to return the US to its former self.

Our citizens, a great majority of them, would have to step up and demand the return to a sane government, and for them to do that, they must become fully aware of the situation and the evidence of anti-American activity, and must be provoked by the actions from on high, triggered you might say, to take whatever action is needed.

Obviously, the further danger in this event would be the rise of a dictatorial government of some kind here in the US, spawned by their success in thwarting our enemies, just as many third world nations have, and that they would be self-perpetuating. OOPS!

This is indeed a tall order any way you want to go!

What is the right answer? I do not know!
What are we going to do? br br For Trump supporte... (show quote)


The one glaring question I have is why has the right chosen to hate Democracy ?
It has been working quite well up until 1980 when Reagan decided government was bad. But he didn’t say who it was bad for. The rich, elites and corporations.
The bottom end of the Republican spectrum has taken this corporate talking point as their own. It is not their talking point.
A perfect example is Trumps campaign promises in 2016 were strictly from the progressive agenda. So, people voted for a progressive agenda that Trump suddenly forgot all about after elected. He was never a working mans president. He’s done nothing for working people only the rich.
Where was the outrage ???
Still to this day they haven’t figured out the hoodwinking trump accomplished at their expense.
Government has a role with its citizens to help the commons become more profitable.
Government is the Enemy of corporate America. It has regulations for safety of workers, regulations that infringe on profit, a fine example is what happened in texas last week.
It’s role is to help its citizens.
With the portion trade, manufacture, workforce’s.
The goverment is not the
Enemy of the People . It is an essential partner. Investments in people creates a an atmosphere for wealth to thrive by paying for the things that would be a hindrance to businesses, like roads, highways, bridges, power, water, sewer.
Otherwise known as infrastructure.
Private investment will Never pay for these things.
As we have seen with the largest bailouts of all time have gone to the biggest too big to fail corporations. No help for the citizens.
This must change. It must change also by not calling help to citizens by government commie Marxist socialistic takeover of a country. It wasn’t before Reagan and is not now. Government has an essential role in this nation. However, it should not be sequestered only for the top 29% of the country. We have been brainwashed into believing we are somehow not worthy of government help. To accept government help you will labeled worthless and weak and a communist, Marxist socialist. We don’t say this about all the help that has been sent straight to the top for the past 50 years. Look at what trump gave away to the top 30%. $7Billion to corporate farms, $9Trillion as tax breaks. Plus trump was using taxpayer money to buy stocks for companies in trouble, another $7trillion.
Before you know it it looks like alot of money that has only benefited the top percent of the population.
We pay taxes into this government and as a democracy we have say in where this wealth of the country should be spent.
Free colleges s only a start. If we look more at how the government can make this country better overall we see places where money would be better spent than just giving it to rich people who don’t need it and don’t even want it anymore.
Warren Buffet much to the dismay of his children gave his fortune to Bill Gates.
So they would have more motivation to do things on their own.
This is similar to the perils of communism,
Whereby, there is no longer a push for greatness or wealth.
I would like to know where the republicans that have so faithfully carried around their own personal copy of
The United States Constitution in their pockets have gone?
What happened?????
When they all become Fascist Nazis.
Anti democratic , Anti American, Anti Law
Anti Fair Legal Elections,
Anti Everything that isn’t them.
They are all now on a hell bound train to nowhere.
Now what, more complaining about how wrong everyone else is ?

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Mar 1, 2021 19:55:55   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
kemmer wrote:
Everything will work out. It’ll just take some time to clean up all the messes Trump made, and hopefully he’ll be tied up in various courtrooms for the foreseeable future to cause any more trouble.


Once again, TRUMP HAS LEFT THE BUILDING. What don't you get?

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Mar 1, 2021 20:03:57   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Milosia2 wrote:
The one glaring question I have is why has the right chosen to hate Democracy ?
It has been working quite well up until 1980 when Reagan decided government was bad. But he didn’t say who it was bad for. The rich, elites and corporations.
The bottom end of the Republican spectrum has taken this corporate talking point as their own. It is not their talking point.
A perfect example is Trumps campaign promises in 2016 were strictly from the progressive agenda. So, people voted for a progressive agenda that Trump suddenly forgot all about after elected. He was never a working mans president. He’s done nothing for working people only the rich.
Where was the outrage ???
Still to this day they haven’t figured out the hoodwinking trump accomplished at their expense.
Government has a role with its citizens to help the commons become more profitable.
Government is the Enemy of corporate America. It has regulations for safety of workers, regulations that infringe on profit, a fine example is what happened in texas last week.
It’s role is to help its citizens.
With the portion trade, manufacture, workforce’s.
The goverment is not the
Enemy of the People . It is an essential partner. Investments in people creates a an atmosphere for wealth to thrive by paying for the things that would be a hindrance to businesses, like roads, highways, bridges, power, water, sewer.
Otherwise known as infrastructure.
Private investment will Never pay for these things.
As we have seen with the largest bailouts of all time have gone to the biggest too big to fail corporations. No help for the citizens.
This must change. It must change also by not calling help to citizens by government commie Marxist socialistic takeover of a country. It wasn’t before Reagan and is not now. Government has an essential role in this nation. However, it should not be sequestered only for the top 29% of the country. We have been brainwashed into believing we are somehow not worthy of government help. To accept government help you will labeled worthless and weak and a communist, Marxist socialist. We don’t say this about all the help that has been sent straight to the top for the past 50 years. Look at what trump gave away to the top 30%. $7Billion to corporate farms, $9Trillion as tax breaks. Plus trump was using taxpayer money to buy stocks for companies in trouble, another $7trillion.
Before you know it it looks like alot of money that has only benefited the top percent of the population.
We pay taxes into this government and as a democracy we have say in where this wealth of the country should be spent.
Free colleges s only a start. If we look more at how the government can make this country better overall we see places where money would be better spent than just giving it to rich people who don’t need it and don’t even want it anymore.
Warren Buffet much to the dismay of his children gave his fortune to Bill Gates.
Do they would have more motivation fo do things on their own.
This is similar to the perils of communism,
Whereby, there is no longer a push for greatness or wealth.
I would like to know where the republicans that have so faithfully carried around their own personal copy of
The United States Constitution in their pockets have gone?
What happened?????
When they all become Fascist Nazis.
Anti democratic , Anti American, Anti Law
Anti Fair Legal Elections,
Anti Everything that isn’t them.
They are all now on a hell bound train to nowhere.
Now what, more complaining about how wrong everyone else is ?
The one glaring question I have is why has the rig... (show quote)



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Mar 1, 2021 20:06:59   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Weasel wrote:
Trump has left the building! We The People have to stand up for America now. And we have to stand strong. As for the left,, I doubt that they have the backbone to stand in the way of our efforts to bring back the America of the sixties when we truly were united and prospering.
When innovation was the promise of our future.
Biden has us on our way to a 34 Trillion Dollar Debt. So let's talk about spending.


Hold on there a minute sonny,
It is still the republicans today that scared chit less to say no whiney baby trump.
They have refused several times to stand up for the constitution and the rule of law as prescribed in the Constitution.
The Dems have faithfully tried to administer
Justice where warranted only to be called names by the republicans.
So, before you try to slide out from under your sticky Republican bedsheets keep in mind , it’s all you.

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Mar 1, 2021 20:09:58   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
Can't dispute much and we do have a lot to think about and prepare for. Liberty and freedom are everyday battles. If we ever back off, remember, they don't. There goal is evil and must be stopped. You ended up mentioning the dictatorial government. That is what the Democrats are planning for and must be stopped


Where do you live in this country where Liberty and Freedom are
“Everyday”battles ?
That is a phony bag o chit if I ever heard one.

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Mar 1, 2021 20:10:40   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Milosia2 wrote:
The one glaring question I have is why has the right chosen to hate Democracy ?
It has been working quite well up until 1980 when Reagan decided government was bad. But he didn’t say who it was bad for. The rich, elites and corporations.
The bottom end of the Republican spectrum has taken this corporate talking point as their own. It is not their talking point.
A perfect example is Trumps campaign promises in 2016 were strictly from the progressive agenda. So, people voted for a progressive agenda that Trump suddenly forgot all about after elected. He was never a working mans president. He’s done nothing for working people only the rich.
Where was the outrage ???
Still to this day they haven’t figured out the hoodwinking trump accomplished at their expense.
Government has a role with its citizens to help the commons become more profitable.
Government is the Enemy of corporate America. It has regulations for safety of workers, regulations that infringe on profit, a fine example is what happened in texas last week.
It’s role is to help its citizens.
With the portion trade, manufacture, workforce’s.
The goverment is not the
Enemy of the People . It is an essential partner. Investments in people creates a an atmosphere for wealth to thrive by paying for the things that would be a hindrance to businesses, like roads, highways, bridges, power, water, sewer.
Otherwise known as infrastructure.
Private investment will Never pay for these things.
As we have seen with the largest bailouts of all time have gone to the biggest too big to fail corporations. No help for the citizens.
This must change. It must change also by not calling help to citizens by government commie Marxist socialistic takeover of a country. It wasn’t before Reagan and is not now. Government has an essential role in this nation. However, it should not be sequestered only for the top 29% of the country. We have been brainwashed into believing we are somehow not worthy of government help. To accept government help you will labeled worthless and weak and a communist, Marxist socialist. We don’t say this about all the help that has been sent straight to the top for the past 50 years. Look at what trump gave away to the top 30%. $7Billion to corporate farms, $9Trillion as tax breaks. Plus trump was using taxpayer money to buy stocks for companies in trouble, another $7trillion.
Before you know it it looks like alot of money that has only benefited the top percent of the population.
We pay taxes into this government and as a democracy we have say in where this wealth of the country should be spent.
Free colleges s only a start. If we look more at how the government can make this country better overall we see places where money would be better spent than just giving it to rich people who don’t need it and don’t even want it anymore.
Warren Buffet much to the dismay of his children gave his fortune to Bill Gates.
Do they would have more motivation fo do things on their own.
This is similar to the perils of communism,
Whereby, there is no longer a push for greatness or wealth.
I would like to know where the republicans that have so faithfully carried around their own personal copy of
The United States Constitution in their pockets have gone?
What happened?????
When they all become Fascist Nazis.
Anti democratic , Anti American, Anti Law
Anti Fair Legal Elections,
Anti Everything that isn’t them.
They are all now on a hell bound train to nowhere.
Now what, more complaining about how wrong everyone else is ?
The one glaring question I have is why has the rig... (show quote)


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This rant is pure fiction! It is hard to count the falsehoods! Is there no shame in the Left?

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Mar 1, 2021 20:13:19   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Next time use your right hand.

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