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Jan 5, 2021 19:57:39   #
GoCubs Loc: Earth
 
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/04/953349879/d-c-police-prepare-for-far-right-protests-as-congress-counts-electoral-votes

The head of a far-right extremist group, the Proud Boys, was arrested in Washington, D.C., on Monday evening less than a day before thousands of pro-Trump and far-right demonstrators are expected in the city.

Enrique Tarrio, 36, was taken into police custody and charged with destruction of property, according to a statement from the Metropolitan Police Department.

The charge is related to his actions during last month's pro-Trump demonstration in D.C. that turned violent. Tarrio admitted to removing and burning a Black Lives Matter banner from a historically Black church, an action the Proud Boys are now being sued over.

According to the police statement, Tarrio is also being charged with possession of a high-capacity feeding device. Officers found two high-capacity firearm magazines with him when he was arrested.

The FBI says the Proud Boys have "ties to white nationalism," and the organization has previously been associated with acts of violence.

Three conservative groups have officially submitted permit applications to the National Park Service for events on Tuesday and Wednesday, as reported by USA Today. Women for America First and the Eighty Percent Coalition requested permits for thousands of people each. A third event run by the organization The Silent Majority filed a permit for several hundred attendees.

The protests coincides with the newly sworn-in 117th Congress official certification of the Electoral College ballots on Wednesday, marking the last step in the election before President-elect Joe Biden is sworn in on Jan. 20.

President Trump is supporting the protests and vows to attend.

Meanwhile, city leaders are preparing for possible violence, especially as reports show members of the Proud Boys are planning to attend the march dressed incognito.

In the lead-up to the demonstrations, information advising people how to secretly bring guns to the protests has been posted online, according to The Washington Post.

In a statement Sunday, Mayor Muriel Bowser advised D.C. residents to avoid areas near downtown and issued a reminder that firearms are illegal while in National Park Service areas, including the National Mall and Freedom Plaza, two areas where protesters are expected to gather.

Open possession of a firearm is also illegal throughout the city.

Bowser has also requested assistance from the National Guard for both Tuesday and Wednesday. According to the mayor's office, there will be around 114 members available "at any given time" and 340 available in total.

Bowser submitted the request to the commanding officer of the D.C. National Guard, Maj. Gen. William Walker, on New Year's Eve, according to a copy of the letter provided to NPR by the mayor's office. The Guard members will be unarmed and responsible for duties such as traffic control, in order to free up police.

Many streets in downtown D.C. will also be closed off starting Tuesday.

National figures have also expressed concern about the upcoming demonstrations.

Former Defense Secretary William Cohen told NPR's Morning Edition on Monday he thinks the events will present "a real challenge to maintain order and stability."

Cohen, who served in the Clinton administration, joined the other nine living former defense secretaries in an opinion piece that ran in The Washington Post Sunday condemning Trump's attempts to subvert the election and reaffirming that the military plays no role in political disputes. Cohen is concerned civil disruption could be used as a pretext to deploy military forces in the streets.

"There are things taking place which pose, I think, a threat to our domestic tranquility and security, and that is the president encouraging some of the more right-wing extremists to march on Washington and to protest," Cohen said. "And the indication is he's urging them to — it's going to be wild."

In a statement Monday evening, Washington, D.C., Attorney General Karl Racine condemned groups that plan to incite violence at the protests, referring to them as entities that "promote hate on a racial and religious basis." He did not specifically name any groups.

"While we respect their right to protest, we will not tolerate criminal behavior—and we should deny them the opportunity to cause chaos," he said.

Racine also echoed Bowser's request for residents to stay away from the area.

"Hate has no home in the District," he added. "Let's keep the peace, rather than provide this band of agitators any more attention than their divisive and hateful demonstrations will otherwise receive."

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Jan 5, 2021 20:05:26   #
Kitten Courageous Loc: The Derelict Ship Maggie's Revenge
 
GoCubs wrote:
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/04/953349879/d-c-police-prepare-for-far-right-protests-as-congress-counts-electoral-votes

The head of a far-right extremist group, the Proud Boys, was arrested in Washington, D.C., on Monday evening less than a day before thousands of pro-Trump and far-right demonstrators are expected in the city.

Enrique Tarrio, 36, was taken into police custody and charged with destruction of property, according to a statement from the Metropolitan Police Department.

The charge is related to his actions during last month's pro-Trump demonstration in D.C. that turned violent. Tarrio admitted to removing and burning a Black Lives Matter banner from a historically Black church, an action the Proud Boys are now being sued over.

According to the police statement, Tarrio is also being charged with possession of a high-capacity feeding device. Officers found two high-capacity firearm magazines with him when he was arrested.

The FBI says the Proud Boys have "ties to white nationalism," and the organization has previously been associated with acts of violence.

Three conservative groups have officially submitted permit applications to the National Park Service for events on Tuesday and Wednesday, as reported by USA Today. Women for America First and the Eighty Percent Coalition requested permits for thousands of people each. A third event run by the organization The Silent Majority filed a permit for several hundred attendees.

The protests coincides with the newly sworn-in 117th Congress official certification of the Electoral College ballots on Wednesday, marking the last step in the election before President-elect Joe Biden is sworn in on Jan. 20.

President Trump is supporting the protests and vows to attend.

Meanwhile, city leaders are preparing for possible violence, especially as reports show members of the Proud Boys are planning to attend the march dressed incognito.

In the lead-up to the demonstrations, information advising people how to secretly bring guns to the protests has been posted online, according to The Washington Post.

In a statement Sunday, Mayor Muriel Bowser advised D.C. residents to avoid areas near downtown and issued a reminder that firearms are illegal while in National Park Service areas, including the National Mall and Freedom Plaza, two areas where protesters are expected to gather.

Open possession of a firearm is also illegal throughout the city.

Bowser has also requested assistance from the National Guard for both Tuesday and Wednesday. According to the mayor's office, there will be around 114 members available "at any given time" and 340 available in total.

Bowser submitted the request to the commanding officer of the D.C. National Guard, Maj. Gen. William Walker, on New Year's Eve, according to a copy of the letter provided to NPR by the mayor's office. The Guard members will be unarmed and responsible for duties such as traffic control, in order to free up police.

Many streets in downtown D.C. will also be closed off starting Tuesday.

National figures have also expressed concern about the upcoming demonstrations.

Former Defense Secretary William Cohen told NPR's Morning Edition on Monday he thinks the events will present "a real challenge to maintain order and stability."

Cohen, who served in the Clinton administration, joined the other nine living former defense secretaries in an opinion piece that ran in The Washington Post Sunday condemning Trump's attempts to subvert the election and reaffirming that the military plays no role in political disputes. Cohen is concerned civil disruption could be used as a pretext to deploy military forces in the streets.

"There are things taking place which pose, I think, a threat to our domestic tranquility and security, and that is the president encouraging some of the more right-wing extremists to march on Washington and to protest," Cohen said. "And the indication is he's urging them to — it's going to be wild."

In a statement Monday evening, Washington, D.C., Attorney General Karl Racine condemned groups that plan to incite violence at the protests, referring to them as entities that "promote hate on a racial and religious basis." He did not specifically name any groups.

"While we respect their right to protest, we will not tolerate criminal behavior—and we should deny them the opportunity to cause chaos," he said.

Racine also echoed Bowser's request for residents to stay away from the area.

"Hate has no home in the District," he added. "Let's keep the peace, rather than provide this band of agitators any more attention than their divisive and hateful demonstrations will otherwise receive."
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Well said, Cubby!!!

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Jan 5, 2021 21:25:35   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
cynner wrote:
Well said, Cubby!!!

He didn't say anything!

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Jan 5, 2021 21:29:49   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Parky60 wrote:
He didn't say anything!


We already knew this.....

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Jan 5, 2021 21:46:46   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
archie bunker wrote:
We already knew this.....


Having another bad trump day Arch?

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Jan 5, 2021 22:35:39   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
GoCubs wrote:
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/04/953349879/d-c-police-prepare-for-far-right-protests-as-congress-counts-electoral-votes

The head of a far-right extremist group, the Proud Boys, was arrested in Washington, D.C., on Monday evening less than a day before thousands of pro-Trump and far-right demonstrators are expected in the city.

Enrique Tarrio, 36, was taken into police custody and charged with destruction of property, according to a statement from the Metropolitan Police Department.

The charge is related to his actions during last month's pro-Trump demonstration in D.C. that turned violent. Tarrio admitted to removing and burning a Black Lives Matter banner from a historically Black church, an action the Proud Boys are now being sued over.

According to the police statement, Tarrio is also being charged with possession of a high-capacity feeding device. Officers found two high-capacity firearm magazines with him when he was arrested.

The FBI says the Proud Boys have "ties to white nationalism," and the organization has previously been associated with acts of violence.

Three conservative groups have officially submitted permit applications to the National Park Service for events on Tuesday and Wednesday, as reported by USA Today. Women for America First and the Eighty Percent Coalition requested permits for thousands of people each. A third event run by the organization The Silent Majority filed a permit for several hundred attendees.

The protests coincides with the newly sworn-in 117th Congress official certification of the Electoral College ballots on Wednesday, marking the last step in the election before President-elect Joe Biden is sworn in on Jan. 20.

President Trump is supporting the protests and vows to attend.

Meanwhile, city leaders are preparing for possible violence, especially as reports show members of the Proud Boys are planning to attend the march dressed incognito.

In the lead-up to the demonstrations, information advising people how to secretly bring guns to the protests has been posted online, according to The Washington Post.

In a statement Sunday, Mayor Muriel Bowser advised D.C. residents to avoid areas near downtown and issued a reminder that firearms are illegal while in National Park Service areas, including the National Mall and Freedom Plaza, two areas where protesters are expected to gather.

Open possession of a firearm is also illegal throughout the city.

Bowser has also requested assistance from the National Guard for both Tuesday and Wednesday. According to the mayor's office, there will be around 114 members available "at any given time" and 340 available in total.

Bowser submitted the request to the commanding officer of the D.C. National Guard, Maj. Gen. William Walker, on New Year's Eve, according to a copy of the letter provided to NPR by the mayor's office. The Guard members will be unarmed and responsible for duties such as traffic control, in order to free up police.

Many streets in downtown D.C. will also be closed off starting Tuesday.

National figures have also expressed concern about the upcoming demonstrations.

Former Defense Secretary William Cohen told NPR's Morning Edition on Monday he thinks the events will present "a real challenge to maintain order and stability."

Cohen, who served in the Clinton administration, joined the other nine living former defense secretaries in an opinion piece that ran in The Washington Post Sunday condemning Trump's attempts to subvert the election and reaffirming that the military plays no role in political disputes. Cohen is concerned civil disruption could be used as a pretext to deploy military forces in the streets.

"There are things taking place which pose, I think, a threat to our domestic tranquility and security, and that is the president encouraging some of the more right-wing extremists to march on Washington and to protest," Cohen said. "And the indication is he's urging them to — it's going to be wild."

In a statement Monday evening, Washington, D.C., Attorney General Karl Racine condemned groups that plan to incite violence at the protests, referring to them as entities that "promote hate on a racial and religious basis." He did not specifically name any groups.

"While we respect their right to protest, we will not tolerate criminal behavior—and we should deny them the opportunity to cause chaos," he said.

Racine also echoed Bowser's request for residents to stay away from the area.

"Hate has no home in the District," he added. "Let's keep the peace, rather than provide this band of agitators any more attention than their divisive and hateful demonstrations will otherwise receive."
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/04/953349879/d-c-polic... (show quote)


Cubbie, I know your not stupid enough to not already know Antifa and the BLM and the guardians of the BLM, and any number of other hate groups all sponsored ( funded) by Soros et al, aren’t already there as well too, right??

What we have is Trump supporters protesting, unnumbered police lines between counter protesters, ( don't you like that watered down description of the same hate groups) and “protesters” that burned down dem cities and took control, antifa and Radical BLMs etc all converging to supposedly protest... As if we didn’t all know and expect this BS~~~

Thank you to our criminal corrupt god forsaken POS Politicians that put control and suppression with raging injustice trying to take our constitutional rights, votes, front snd center they are the true enemy from within snd the sole cause of what we now have before is!!!...

Is there no voter fraud?? How do you know this? The evidence had been suppressed in court cases thrown out so again how does anyone really know anything?? Why not find out?? Let the evidence or lack thereof be investigated transparently before we the citizens and know the truth..What is there to hide if no fraud???

I’m sure you are familiar with these groups, right, cubbie??? I’m likewise sure you don’t possibly believe that just one protesting group is looking for trouble?

White supremacists, Boogaloo Boys, Antifa and the Anarchists all are familiar, yes???

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanews.com/usa/four-extremist-groups-suspected-involvement-protest-violence%3famp


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/proud-boys-attend-january-6-dc-rally-incognito-all-black-2021-1%3famp




https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wusa9.com/amp/article/features/producers-picks/guardians-protecting-black-lives-matter-plaza-memorial-fence-prepare-for-jan-6-trump-protest/65-647a226a-09ac-4fcb-9842-667cdea62050

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Jan 5, 2021 22:47:38   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Having another bad trump day Arch?


No, I've heard it before it was posted here by this heavy smoker of a 12 mile runner who runs.
That's all....bob.

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Jan 6, 2021 00:49:42   #
GoCubs Loc: Earth
 
lindajoy wrote:
Cubbie, I know your not stupid enough to not already know Antifa and the BLM and the guardians of the BLM, and any number of other hate groups all sponsored ( funded) by Soros et al, aren’t already there as well too, right??

What we have is Trump supporters protesting, unnumbered police lines between counter protesters, ( don't you like that watered down description of the same hate groups) and “protesters” that burned down dem cities and took control, antifa and Radical BLMs etc all converging to supposedly protest... As if we didn’t all know and expect this BS~~~

Thank you to our criminal corrupt god forsaken POS Politicians that put control and suppression with raging injustice trying to take our constitutional rights, votes, front snd center they are the true enemy from within snd the sole cause of what we now have before is!!!...

Is there no voter fraud?? How do you know this? The evidence had been suppressed in court cases thrown out so again how does anyone really know anything?? Why not find out?? Let the evidence or lack thereof be investigated transparently before we the citizens and know the truth..What is there to hide if no fraud???

I’m sure you are familiar with these groups, right, cubbie??? I’m likewise sure you don’t possibly believe that just one protesting group is looking for trouble?

White supremacists, Boogaloo Boys, Antifa and the Anarchists all are familiar, yes???

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanews.com/usa/four-extremist-groups-suspected-involvement-protest-violence%3famp


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/proud-boys-attend-january-6-dc-rally-incognito-all-black-2021-1%3famp




https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wusa9.com/amp/article/features/producers-picks/guardians-protecting-black-lives-matter-plaza-memorial-fence-prepare-for-jan-6-trump-protest/65-647a226a-09ac-4fcb-9842-667cdea62050
Cubbie, I know your not stupid enough to not alrea... (show quote)


How does anyone know if there was voter fraud? So far, after multiple efforts to find any, there has been exactly zero found.

I don't know that Antifa even exists, other than in the minds of trumpsters, but I can absolutely assure you of this... if you are waiting to see severe right wing violence, you need wait no longer than tomorrow.

Furthermore, if you believe that trump isn't attempting a coup.... well, I really don't want to get into that any further with you, as I respect your viewpoint too much.

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Jan 6, 2021 08:08:04   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
GoCubs wrote:
How does anyone know if there was voter fraud? So far, after multiple efforts to find any, there has been exactly zero found.

I don't know that Antifa even exists, other than in the minds of trumpsters, but I can absolutely assure you of this... if you are waiting to see severe right wing violence, you need wait no longer than tomorrow.

Furthermore, if you believe that trump isn't attempting a coup.... well, I really don't want to get into that any further with you, as I respect your viewpoint too much.
How does anyone know if there was voter fraud? So ... (show quote)


I respect your opinion just as much which is why I asked for it.. Thank You for your compliment too..

I have read your posts which are thought provoking and in doing so keep coming back to ~~dismissal by courts on some legal technicality is not determination of anything... The evidence was never brought forward for any type of determination..Do you know what the pleadings showed relative to the bases of fraud in votes?? I still do not.. I am not saying there was or wasn’t fraud because we have way too many inconsistencies by any number of people.. What I’m saying is this issue keeps coming up and is dismissed or said to be so minute it doesn’t alter anything..

Lets bring true transparency to the table and find out.. I keep saying forget Trump for a minute and consider we the people and our vote, our voice being heard and the political arena bound” by us ” and not their manipulations for ”their end result mission”..We give authority to them, they do not usurp us... We have forgotten this cubbie... We have allowed a bloated government of career politicians that are only in it for the lucrativity of special interest groups, on both sides...

Its time for we the citizens to take back “Our responsibilities” to insure our rights and uniformity of what made this Nation the greatest..We are not doing so by continuing to buy into the proven deception...

They started all this BS, let us present a untied front with a clear message we are done with the BS and them!!! This is what I am saying...

One more thing~~ I do not support revolt, civil war, or any such thing, never have and have spoken against such.. We had one of those already and it did not produce anything but many Needless deaths ..
But I do need to also say these hate groups employed, rallied, whatever are from both sides not just the right..Along with people fed up on both sides as well.. We have the government to hold accountable for all of this as they have failed the citizens and our country!! It is not the individual citizen, we keep hope by voting in this party or that party looking for real change, with it to never come!! The true change can only come when we assert the will of the people, not let them manipulate us to levels of such hate and division and divide as THEY have achieved...Look at the country right now... Never would I have thought we would see what is taking place and I find it all so disparaging and disgusting to the very core of my being.. !! I cry for our Nation and all of us, if truth be known..

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Jan 6, 2021 19:55:43   #
GoCubs Loc: Earth
 
lindajoy wrote:
I respect your opinion just as much which is why I asked for it.. Thank You for your compliment too..

I have read your posts which are thought provoking and in doing so keep coming back to ~~dismissal by courts on some legal technicality is not determination of anything... The evidence was never brought forward for any type of determination..Do you know what the pleadings showed relative to the bases of fraud in votes?? I still do not.. I am not saying there was or wasn’t fraud because we have way too many inconsistencies by any number of people.. What I’m saying is this issue keeps coming up and is dismissed or said to be so minute it doesn’t alter anything..

Lets bring true transparency to the table and find out.. I keep saying forget Trump for a minute and consider we the people and our vote, our voice being heard and the political arena bound” by us ” and not their manipulations for ”their end result mission”..We give authority to them, they do not usurp us... We have forgotten this cubbie... We have allowed a bloated government of career politicians that are only in it for the lucrativity of special interest groups, on both sides...

Its time for we the citizens to take back “Our responsibilities” to insure our rights and uniformity of what made this Nation the greatest..We are not doing so by continuing to buy into the proven deception...

They started all this BS, let us present a untied front with a clear message we are done with the BS and them!!! This is what I am saying...

One more thing~~ I do not support revolt, civil war, or any such thing, never have and have spoken against such.. We had one of those already and it did not produce anything but many Needless deaths ..
But I do need to also say these hate groups employed, rallied, whatever are from both sides not just the right..Along with people fed up on both sides as well.. We have the government to hold accountable for all of this as they have failed the citizens and our country!! It is not the individual citizen, we keep hope by voting in this party or that party looking for real change, with it to never come!! The true change can only come when we assert the will of the people, not let them manipulate us to levels of such hate and division and divide as THEY have achieved...Look at the country right now... Never would I have thought we would see what is taking place and I find it all so disparaging and disgusting to the very core of my being.. !! I cry for our Nation and all of us, if truth be known..
I respect your opinion just as much which is why I... (show quote)


Wow. Another tower of word power from you. I didn't read a single word that I disagree with. I'm not sure when you posted this (I didn't check but think it was late yesterday or early this AM) but like you, I am disgusted at what is on TV right now.

You are right about the senseless violence coming from both sides - I once wrongly disputed that, but we all have eyes. If we open them, we can all see that both sides are handling things in a very unseemly manner. It is easy to close them and "see" only what we want to see (like I admittedly was guilty of previously), but for anyone to defend or look past what happened today in DC is just mind boggling.

While I am certain that you feel the same, there are tons of people who are okay with it. The last couple of days have been nothing short of an attempted coup by the president. A coup attempt by the president of the greatest country in the world. Think about that. Those words don't even feel right as I type them. That is third world stuff.

I'm disgusted by it all as I'm sure you are. Yet, trump purposely poured gasoline on the fire by coyly encouraging it but mostly by having no desire to quell it, which he absolutely could and should have done. He is a poor example of a human being and so is anyone who thinks that what he did and did not do the last 3-4 days is a good thing. He failed the U.S. yet again. Good riddance to him and the whole trump clan (except for Melania) finally.

Biden could be a terrible president but no way could he possibly be as bad as what we just witnessed the past four years.

I hope all is well LJ and wish you a happy new year!

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Jan 7, 2021 08:05:32   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
GoCubs wrote:
Wow. Another tower of word power from you. I didn't read a single word that I disagree with. I'm not sure when you posted this (I didn't check but think it was late yesterday or early this AM) but like you, I am disgusted at what is on TV right now.

You are right about the senseless violence coming from both sides - I once wrongly disputed that, but we all have eyes. If we open them, we can all see that both sides are handling things in a very unseemly manner. It is easy to close them and "see" only what we want to see (like I admittedly was guilty of previously), but for anyone to defend or look past what happened today in DC is just mind boggling.

While I am certain that you feel the same, there are tons of people who are okay with it. The last couple of days have been nothing short of an attempted coup by the president. A coup attempt by the president of the greatest country in the world. Think about that. Those words don't even feel right as I type them. That is third world stuff.

I'm disgusted by it all as I'm sure you are. Yet, trump purposely poured gasoline on the fire by coyly encouraging it but mostly by having no desire to quell it, which he absolutely could and should have done. He is a poor example of a human being and so is anyone who thinks that what he did and did not do the last 3-4 days is a good thing. He failed the U.S. yet again. Good riddance to him and the whole trump clan (except for Melania) finally.

Biden could be a terrible president but no way could he possibly be as bad as what we just witnessed the past four years.

I hope all is well LJ and wish you a happy new year!
Wow. Another tower of word power from you. I didn'... (show quote)


Thank You, cubbie.. While we may have differing views on some things I find we have more heart felt reasoning than the perceived mad hatters that look just to berate and attack you into their reasoning..
I’m not saying that correctly.. I just mean for me anyway, I find it easy to share with you my true inner beliefs and thoughts knowing you will point out your indifference but with that mutual respect I so admire..

I wrote you early yesterday morning before the most horrific day of complete and utter shock took hold of our country... While not unexpected given what we have heard for months, the morose reality shuttered within in watching it unfold..I am still reeling and find this chapter of history will be a blemish beyond pale!!! Asking “ how” we got here is not even needed... We know and that is the unsurmountable sting!

The only positive I find in any of it was the recitation of many a politician that acknowledged a need to consider their own roles, words, and actions... I just pray they take that scared shitle*** attitude they had, by what they endured to heart and see only so much pushing and they will in fact have what they incited...

Angry I am and best to keep hold of my thoughts this moment because blame only feeds the angst more and right now we need to stop and absorb the significance of all, praying this eye opener truly achieves change...

Given all the talks of late to actually sit there and watch how ill prepared and easy it was to gain entry, by force, into our Capital Hill astounds me.. Yet, we are to believe our leaders can protect this country??? What an embarrassment as the world leaders and enemies of Nations watched as well..

Edit~~ New Year was fabulous and I hope yours was too..

Would rather end this on a positive..

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Jan 7, 2021 10:14:44   #
GoCubs Loc: Earth
 
lindajoy wrote:
Thank You, cubbie.. While we may have differing views on some things I find we have more heart felt reasoning than the perceived mad hatters that look just to berate and attack you into their reasoning..
I’m not saying that correctly.. I just mean for me anyway, I find it easy to share with you my true inner beliefs and thoughts knowing you will point out your indifference but with that mutual respect I so admire..

I wrote you early yesterday morning before the most horrific day of complete and utter shock took hold of our country... While not unexpected given what we have heard for months, the morose reality shuttered within in watching it unfold..I am still reeling and find this chapter of history will be a blemish beyond pale!!! Asking “ how” we got here is not even needed... We know and that is the unsurmountable sting!

The only positive I find in any of it was the recitation of many a politician that acknowledged a need to consider their own roles, words, and actions... I just pray they take that scared shitle*** attitude they had, by what they endured to heart and see only so much pushing and they will in fact have what they incited...

Angry I am and best to keep hold of my thoughts this moment because blame only feeds the angst more and right now we need to stop and absorb the significance of all, praying this eye opener truly achieves change...

Given all the talks of late to actually sit there and watch how ill prepared and easy it was to gain entry, by force, into our Capital Hill astounds me.. Yet, we are to believe our leaders can protect this country??? What an embarrassment as the world leaders and enemies of Nations watched as well..

Edit~~ New Year was fabulous and I hope yours was too..

Would rather end this on a positive..
Thank You, cubbie.. While we may have differing vi... (show quote)


Beautiful photos (as always)!!! You are quite a photographer.

I'd like your opinion on five (semi) tough questions. No need to answer them if you don't want to.... Furthermore, I will not try to refute your answers either way. I'm just curious what you think but again, I don't want to put you on the spot so please don't feel obliged to answer any of them.

1) Some on OPP are denying that this was a coup attempt.... Was it a coup attempt?

2) I was going to ask the same question replacing "coup attempt" with the word "insurrection", but if you look up the definition of the word insurrection, it is obvious that it was definitely an insurrection so, never mind #2.

3) Did trump instigate/encourage what happened yesterday?

4) Could trump have discouraged his followers from engaging in violence well ahead of yesterday, had he wanted to?

5) Do you think that what happened is what trump was hoping would happen?

Thanks and I hope you have a great day!

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Jan 8, 2021 09:28:21   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
GoCubs wrote:
Beautiful photos (as always)!!! You are quite a photographer.

I'd like your opinion on five (semi) tough questions. No need to answer them if you don't want to.... Furthermore, I will not try to refute your answers either way. I'm just curious what you think but again, I don't want to put you on the spot so please don't feel obliged to answer any of them.

1) Some on OPP are denying that this was a coup attempt.... Was it a coup attempt?

Reply~~ I do not believe a coup attempt, I do believe it was with some in attendance to be a mission of violence to scare either the left or right depending on who organized what... How did they succeed getting in, know what specific floors to go to and specific offices to enter?? Why do we have videos of capital hill police opening gated areas and allowing people in?
And pipe bombs that were planted outside both the Democratic and Republican National Committee headquarters, not swept or secured before the biggest event of the election?? With all senators and Congress the VP in attendance??
Then the other glaring issue~~? That threat of a plane hitting the Capitol?? WTH

Was foreign or domestic agents helped to trigger or enact an existing plan??? Is it conspiracy?? Investigators are considering whether a Monday breach of an air traffic control radio frequency should be looked at in connection to Thursday's events. In the radio breach, a recorded message threatened to fly an airplane into the Capitol on Wednesday. The digitized voice said that the strike would be in retaliation for last January's U.S. drone attack that killed Iranian Quds Force commander Qasem Soleimani.
So much more. Cubbie, and way too much to answer right now..

2) I was going to ask the same question replacing "coup attempt" with the word "insurrection", but if you look up the definition of the word insurrection, it is obvious that it was definitely an insurrection so, never mind #2.

Reply ~~ how about sedition?? Yes, to a certain degree I think this could be...And Trump along with any number from either side are guilty of the hype...

3) Did trump instigate/encourage what happened yesterday?

Reply~Yes, I think to a certain degree yes he did. Although he’s never been known for using proper language in anything it may not have been his intent to encourage any such action but it certainly didn’t help anything either... If he withheld orders to bring in the National guard this was Absolutely and unequivocally wrong..He should not have had been asked to do so he should’ve already done it and he certainly shouldn’t have denied it.

4) Could trump have discouraged his followers from engaging in violence well ahead of yesterday, had he wanted to?

Reply~~ Yes he could have and should have. In his speeches he should’ve made it clear he did not want any violence in any capacity and should’ve been strong when he did speak out leaving out the rhetoric on the stolen election. Everyone there knew why they were there and everyone not there knew why they were there he should’ve merely said stop, go home, leave in peace etc.

5) Do you think that what happened is what trump was hoping would happen?

Reply~~ I would be lying to tell you that that same question hadn’t crossed my mind. All I can dance to bring him I can only answer for me and that is that I sincerely hope with my entire soul that he would not be thanking such. I do not yet have a definitive answer for that.

Thanks and I hope you have a great day!
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You’re welcome, I hope that with my answers you can appreciate my position. Which in all honesty is absolutely just do not know right now..I’m still flabbergasted by it cubby and in the morning if truth be known again. Everything that is going on so on excusable. This country is doing it self in!!!

I will supplement this as I develop more in my thinking process and vetting process.

You will find my answers after each of your questions contained within the quote, I forgot that would happen.

Edit~~ Thank You for enjoying my photos..Sometimes we just need a little something to reduce the tension of straight political stuff~~If you look to the left you may see what I did~~ two sails jumping, saying we can free ourselves~~ And I say, yes we can~~~👍

Estes Park yesterday~~ Frozen in Time we are but not forever..
Estes Park yesterday~~ Frozen in Time we are but n...

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Jan 8, 2021 18:18:03   #
GoCubs Loc: Earth
 
lindajoy wrote:
You’re welcome, I hope that with my answers you can appreciate my position. Which in all honesty is absolutely just do not know right now..I’m still flabbergasted by it cubby and in the morning if truth be known again. Everything that is going on so on excusable. This country is doing it self in!!!

I will supplement this as I develop more in my thinking process and vetting process.

You will find my answers after each of your questions contained within the quote, I forgot that would happen.

Edit~~ Thank You for enjoying my photos..Sometimes we just need a little something to reduce the tension of straight political stuff~~If you look to the left you may see what I did~~ two sails jumping, saying we can free ourselves~~ And I say, yes we can~~~👍
You’re welcome, I hope that with my answers you ca... (show quote)


Sounds good. Really though, don't feel compelled to answer. In fact, no need to answer them at all. I feel it was sort of unfair to even ask them. I think all of our thinking changes slightly as each hour passes and we learn more. As The Doors would say, Strange Days.

I love this photo and I see the sails. Love it! Love Rocky Mountain National Park too! Spent a summer in Boulder in early '80's and spent a lot of time fishing up there. Beautiful!

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Jan 8, 2021 19:35:09   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
GoCubs wrote:
Sounds good. Really though, don't feel compelled to answer. In fact, no need to answer them at all. I feel it was sort of unfair to even ask them. I think all of our thinking changes slightly as each hour passes and we learn more. As The Doors would say, Strange Days.

I love this photo and I see the sails. Love it! Love Rocky Mountain National Park too! Spent a summer in Boulder in early '80's and spent a lot of time fishing up there. Beautiful!


I did answer but replied after each of your questions that then wound up in the quoted portion, when I sent it..Open up the quoted portion of my reply and you’ll see my answers...

Not unfair, just maybe a bit too early..?? I tried to give you my feelings right then thats all...😊

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