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Sep 3, 2020 12:22:56   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
[quote=EmilyD]https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/corrupt-core-crooked-michelle-obama-tells-democrats-vote-early-mail-vote-person-video/

And here's Dems doing just what Trump is accused of. Fact is, it's just a mess - for both parties.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/stop-steal-democrats-urge-foreign-ex-pats-mail-two-ballots-okay-claim/[/quote


It is legal in many states to vote early, both my mail or in person. That is not evidence folks voted often.

If what the Democrats were doing in your second example were illegal, I suspect the RNC would have taken them to court. Different jurisdictions have different rules. In NC it is illegal to intentionally vote twice.

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Sep 3, 2020 14:57:23   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
working class stiff wrote:
First, you skipped the part about accusing Obama of telling illegal aliens they could vote.

Now you're skipping the part where it is illegal to intentionally vote twice in the state of NC. You're proposed test violates NC voting laws.
A law and order administration would recognize the issue involved. This President clearly does not understand the issue because he thinks he gets to defines law and order. It is what he says it is because he is under the delusion that l'etat c'est moi.
That is the only rational explanation for why he thinks Florida mail in votes are just peachy but is suing other states for exercising the same options. Because he says so.
First, you skipped the part about accusing Obama o... (show quote)


Here is the exact question Obama was asked by actress Gina Rodriguez in a live pre-election interview Nov. 3:

“Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens — and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country — are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?”

“This is not true,” Obama said. “And the reason is — first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself, and there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for.”

Obama told illegal immigrants to go vote because they won’t get caught. Here is a kink, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfgEvgVC6Qs&feature=emb_title

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Sep 3, 2020 15:21:08   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
working class stiff wrote:
EmilyD wrote:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/corrupt-core-crooked-michelle-obama-tells-democrats-vote-early-mail-vote-person-video/

And here's Dems doing just what Trump is accused of. Fact is, it's just a mess - for both parties.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/stop-steal-democrats-urge-foreign-ex-pats-mail-two-ballots-okay-claim/



It is legal in many states to vote early, both my mail or in person. That is not evidence folks voted often.

If what the Democrats were doing in your second example were illegal, I suspect the RNC would have taken them to court. Different jurisdictions have different rules. In NC it is illegal to intentionally vote twice.
quote=EmilyD https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202... (show quote)


I suspect that many states to include NC do not have any safeguards in place to prevent a person from voting by mail and in person. I do not think that any states maintain an accurate database of registered voters. This is probably the reason you and other liberals are upset, because voting twice has happened and people were caught only because someone alerted authority and not because that city or state has a computerized method for cross reference. This is the heart of President Trump's statement. Making a law is fine and well but there has to be a way to consistently catch the law breaker.

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Sep 3, 2020 15:40:46   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
working class stiff wrote:
Anywaayyy.....your unproven assertion notwithstanding, how about the President encouraging Americans to engage in a felony. Got no problem with that? Or are you just so used to this President's lawlessness that it no longer registers?
Actus Reus is defined in law as an element of criminal responsibility, more specifically, the wrongful act or omission that constitutes the physical component of a crime. It represents a fundamental concept in criminal law. In order to convict the defendant or person accused of committing a crime, the prosecution must prove the physical element of the crime in question. IOW, physical evidence exists that a crime has been committed.

Mens Rea, OTH, is defined as an element of criminal responsibility focusing on the state of mind of the accused. It refers to a guilty mind or guilty purpose. In short, it is the psychological or mental state of a criminal at the time the crime was committed.

In order for a conviction to be secured, both Actus Reus and Mens Rea must be established or proved by the prosecution. It is only then that criminal liability can be established.

So, how many North Carolinians have voted twice?

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Sep 4, 2020 06:59:47   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Simple Sam wrote:
I suspect that many states to include NC do not have any safeguards in place to prevent a person from voting by mail and in person. I do not think that any states maintain an accurate database of registered voters. This is probably the reason you and other liberals are upset, because voting twice has happened and people were caught only because someone alerted authority and not because that city or state has a computerized method for cross reference. This is the heart of President Trump's statement. Making a law is fine and well but there has to be a way to consistently catch the law breaker.
I suspect that many states to include NC do not ha... (show quote)


I think our Republican General Assembly members would disagree with you that there are no safeguards in the system.

Again, that isn't the issue at hand, is it? Why is the President asking NC voters to commit a felony is the issue. It's not like folks here are actually going to listen to him.

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Sep 4, 2020 07:11:26   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Actus Reus is defined in law as an element of criminal responsibility, more specifically, the wrongful act or omission that constitutes the physical component of a crime. It represents a fundamental concept in criminal law. In order to convict the defendant or person accused of committing a crime, the prosecution must prove the physical element of the crime in question. IOW, physical evidence exists that a crime has been committed.

Mens Rea, OTH, is defined as an element of criminal responsibility focusing on the state of mind of the accused. It refers to a guilty mind or guilty purpose. In short, it is the psychological or mental state of a criminal at the time the crime was committed.

In order for a conviction to be secured, both Actus Reus and Mens Rea must be established or proved by the prosecution. It is only then that criminal liability can be established.

So, how many North Carolinians have voted twice?
b i Actus Reus /i /b is defined in law as an e... (show quote)


Not the issue....how many voted twice.

Besides, Republicans in NC cried wolf about voter fraud so much that no one listens anymore. During the last election they claimed there were 30000 and were unable to prosecute a one. Turned out they were talking about votes from other states. Same is true nationally. Voter fraud is so rare as to be meaningless. Even the Trump commission investigating the 'problem' fell apart from lack of anything to do.

Voter fraud is just the Republican version of thumb sucking so they can sleep at night without having to deal with the fact that a majority of voters like the other side better.

Election fraud....that's a different story.

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Sep 4, 2020 11:22:46   #
tactful Loc: just North of the District of LMAO
 
EmilyD wrote:
And that is exactly what Trump's point was. I think it's a great idea to conduct a test like this, but I suspect Trump was just postulating.


Was it just postulating when he called our troops that gave all in various cemeteries fools,because there was nothing in it for them? And the refusal to go to France for fear of getting his hair wet? Spin it any way you want, it cannot look good since any and every one are jumping the shark on the subject.
Voting twice is still illegal, just as much as GOP gerrymandering that oddly enough or maybe not got approved. Since it is the GOP way. To unfairness in every way.

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Sep 4, 2020 14:51:58   #
Carlos
 
working class stiff wrote:
This is the President in panic mode.

He told NC voters to vote twice...once by mail and once in person to 'test the system'.

In NC it is a felony to deliberately vote twice.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54011022

He was not joking. Spin that.....


the simple correction is you are a liar like all ther rest of the democrats, nick-named devil, or satan.
the most evil people on earth are democrats. I didn't realize they would stoop as low as they have.
Not only do they kill babies and and agree that having sex with a child (like the bill they just passed in
rotten california), turning killers and rapist"s loose on people, burning people out of their homes and businesse's,
attacking women and old people, preaching that God is bad, teaching kids how to hate America, this is just a sample of what they are really like. Yet if they lived in Agentina they would howl for justice even though they are trying to make this country like Argentina. But then when you think of it, if you can kill babies whats the big deal of having sex with a child, filthy people. They better be careful of coming to this area though, everyone in the area has a gun and attend meetings of how we will handle the thugs should they have the back bone to appear. These are not Americans. These are the very people that would be thrown in prison if the communist's ever took over. Try this in Argentina, China or Russia and let me know how it works out.

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Sep 4, 2020 15:37:22   #
Comment Loc: California
 
working class stiff wrote:
This is the President in panic mode.

He told NC voters to vote twice...once by mail and once in person to 'test the system'.

In NC it is a felony to deliberately vote twice.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54011022

He was not joking. Spin that.....


U got it wrong. U left winged rat. Trump did not say what u accue. I saw his remarks. U have no creditability. U can't even read Kindergarden.

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Sep 4, 2020 15:46:21   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Carlos wrote:
the simple correction is you are a liar like all ther rest of the democrats, nick-named devil, or satan.
the most evil people on earth are democrats. I didn't realize they would stoop as low as they have.
Not only do they kill babies and and agree that having sex with a child (like the bill they just passed in
rotten california), turning killers and rapist"s loose on people, burning people out of their homes and businesse's,
attacking women and old people, preaching that God is bad, teaching kids how to hate America, this is just a sample of what they are really like. Yet if they lived in Agentina they would howl for justice even though they are trying to make this country like Argentina. But then when you think of it, if you can kill babies whats the big deal of having sex with a child, filthy people. They better be careful of coming to this area though, everyone in the area has a gun and attend meetings of how we will handle the thugs should they have the back bone to appear. These are not Americans. These are the very people that would be thrown in prison if the communist's ever took over. Try this in Argentina, China or Russia and let me know how it works out.
the simple correction is you are a liar like all t... (show quote)


Touched a nerve, did I?

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Sep 4, 2020 15:49:59   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Comment wrote:
U got it wrong. U left winged rat. Trump did not say what u accue. I saw his remarks. U have no creditability. U can't even read Kindergarden.


The irony of 'can't even read Kindergarden' in your post is simply delicious.

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Sep 4, 2020 21:05:00   #
WEBCO
 
working class stiff wrote:
This is the President in panic mode.

He told NC voters to vote twice...once by mail and once in person to 'test the system'.

In NC it is a felony to deliberately vote twice.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54011022

He was not joking. Spin that.....


So if mail in voting is as secure as we are constantly being told it is this "test" of the system shouldn't be a problem.

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Sep 5, 2020 05:57:24   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
WEBCO wrote:
So if mail in voting is as secure as we are constantly being told it is this "test" of the system shouldn't be a problem.


Again, I'm not against running a test. This isn't a test. Actual vote, actual felony. Why is this so hard to understand?

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Sep 5, 2020 07:04:58   #
WEBCO
 
working class stiff wrote:
Again, I'm not against running a test. This isn't a test. Actual vote, actual felony. Why is this so hard to understand?


Well thank you for clarifying that "if someone does vote twice it's a felony"

Good to know, and a valid warning to BOTH parties.

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