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May 18, 2020 14:25:27   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
I'm having a hard time, considering these are accepted as safe, understanding why folks think voting by mail is not safe. Also take into account some states, including Oregon, have been vote by mail for a long time. Even the U.S. military has vote by mail.



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May 18, 2020 14:31:24   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I'm having a hard time, considering these are accepted as safe, understanding why folks think voting by mail is not safe. Also take into account some states, including Oregon, have been vote by mail for a long time. Even the U.S. military has vote by mail.


It is safe as far as the virus is concerned. It is very much open to fraud and intimidation. I am sure you won't get it. I hate any voting by mail except for the military, Americans over seas, elderly and handicapped. Good Lord, if you can stand in lines for Toilet Paper you should be willing to stand in line to do something as important as vote.

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May 18, 2020 14:35:18   #
woodguru
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I'm having a hard time, considering these are accepted as safe, understanding why folks think voting by mail is not safe. Also take into account some states, including Oregon, have been vote by mail for a long time. Even the U.S. military has vote by mail.


The right, prone to fully embracing blathering right wing rhetoric, can't connect the fact that republicans do a lot of voting by mail, especially in rural areas. They then freak at the idea of not being able to make people stand in lines for hours after they have so creatively cut polling places, hours, and days. If an election board sees lines in an election that take hours longer than reasonable, they have a duty to put on extra polling places, increase hours and or days, and do whatever it takes to reduce these wait times. There are states that have seen totally ridiculous wait times and the then go on to make it worse for the next elections.

It is as safe as the integrity of how people register to vote. I have never had to show a passport or birth certificate, a driver's license has been fine.

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May 18, 2020 14:47:08   #
77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I'm having a hard time, considering these are accepted as safe, understanding why folks think voting by mail is not safe. Also take into account some states, including Oregon, have been vote by mail for a long time. Even the U.S. military has vote by mail.


Yeah but it doesn't need to be state Wide it may good for some states but,not all

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May 18, 2020 15:19:35   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
JFlorio wrote:
It is safe as far as the virus is concerned. It is very much open to fraud and intimidation. I am sure you won't get it. I hate any voting by mail except for the military, Americans over seas, elderly and handicapped. Good Lord, if you can stand in lines for Toilet Paper you should be willing to stand in line to do something as important as vote.


It seems that in the 3 states that distribute ballots by mail, most voters return them to a physical location.
And of the ones that returned by mail, a big chunk took them to the post office. This seems safe to me.

https://electionlab.mit.edu/research/voting-mail-and-absentee-voting





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May 18, 2020 15:40:36   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Didn’t thin you’d get it.
PaulPisces wrote:
It seems that in the 3 states that distribute ballots by mail, most voters return them to a physical location.
And of the ones that returned by mail, a big chunk took them to the post office. This seems safe to me.

https://electionlab.mit.edu/research/voting-mail-and-absentee-voting

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May 18, 2020 16:00:11   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
JFlorio wrote:
Didn’t thin you’d get it.


Well, I didn’t really expect you to respond with facts, so we’re kind of both in the same position.

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May 18, 2020 16:58:58   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I'm having a hard time, considering these are accepted as safe, understanding why folks think voting by mail is not safe. Also take into account some states, including Oregon, have been vote by mail for a long time. Even the U.S. military has vote by mail.


It isn't about safety, it's the fact that repubs can't affect the number of people who vote. Voting by mail would let EVERYBODY vote.........................and we can't have that.

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May 18, 2020 18:31:40   #
ImLogicallyRight
 
lpnmajor wrote:
It isn't about safety, it's the fact that repubs can't affect the number of people who vote. Voting by mail would let EVERYBODY vote.........................and we can't have that.


It is about safety and voting integrity having everyone actually go to the polls to vote, with photo voters I. D. And those that can't, like military over seas or people on vacations or undergoing surgery, etc, should have to apply to the election board in advance and prove who they are with their request for absentee voting. No early voting for two good reasons. One, early voting reports for certain areas would tend to influence those that haven't voted yet as to whether to bother because of turnout predicting outcomes before voting day. Two, sometimes people die or drop out and this skews the results for those that are still in the race and creates an unfair election. Another reason against all mail in voting is the fact that Democrats could find and use many ways to cheat with people voting that already moved, or are dead, or can't prove who they are. They have done this in the past. The list wound go on, like harvesting ballots, helping people in their homes to fill out their ballots.

***Voting by mail would let EVERYBODY vote....
>>>including those without a right to vote or the freedom to vote unassisted in private picking those of their own choosing and the list goes on.........
***.............and we can't have that.

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May 18, 2020 19:32:36   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
It is about safety and voting integrity having everyone actually go to the polls to vote, with photo voters I. D. And those that can't, like military over seas or people on vacations or undergoing surgery, etc, should have to apply to the election board in advance and prove who they are with their request for absentee voting. No early voting for two good reasons. One, early voting reports for certain areas would tend to influence those that haven't voted yet as to whether to bother because of turnout predicting outcomes before voting day. Two, sometimes people die or drop out and this skews the results for those that are still in the race and creates an unfair election. Another reason against all mail in voting is the fact that Democrats could find and use many ways to cheat with people voting that already moved, or are dead, or can't prove who they are. They have done this in the past. The list wound go on, like harvesting ballots, helping people in their homes to fill out their ballots.

***Voting by mail would let EVERYBODY vote....
>>>including those without a right to vote or the freedom to vote unassisted in private picking those of their own choosing and the list goes on.........
***.............and we can't have that.
It is about safety and voting integrity having eve... (show quote)



The amount of voter fraud is practically non-existent, from a statistical POV.
The right has consistently rn around screaming about a voter ID problem that does not exist.


http://voterfraudfacts.com/



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May 18, 2020 19:37:23   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
PaulPisces wrote:
The amount of voter fraud is practically non-existent, from a statistical POV.
The right has consistently rn around screaming about a voter ID problem that does not exist.


http://voterfraudfacts.com/


That’s pretty much a non proven statistic. Most voter fraud isn’t prosecuted. It’s hard and expensive to prove. I do know ballot harvesting should never be allowed and voting in person, with voter I.D. should make most confident in the election results.

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May 18, 2020 19:46:26   #
77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States
 
JFlorio wrote:
That’s pretty much a non proven statistic. Most voter fraud isn’t prosecuted. It’s hard and expensive to prove. I do know ballot harvesting should never be allowed and voting in person, with voter I.D. should make most confident in the election results.


You know how you clean up voter fraud the man that the blue States clean off their voter rolls and make people have to prove that they live in the state that they are voting in! They should not be able to vote in two different states! Also in the blue States they need to do away with voter busing

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May 18, 2020 22:30:23   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
JFlorio wrote:
That’s pretty much a non proven statistic. Most voter fraud isn’t prosecuted. It’s hard and expensive to prove. I do know ballot harvesting should never be allowed and voting in person, with voter I.D. should make most confident in the election results.


You are speculating, and with no basis.
If you know most voter fraud is not prosecuted then you must know about the amount of voter fraud there is.
If you have evidence of this please share it with us all.

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May 18, 2020 22:46:31   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
PaulPisces wrote:
You are speculating, and with no basis.
If you know most voter fraud is not prosecuted then you must know about the amount of voter fraud there is.
If you have evidence of this please share it with us all.


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/5/voter-fraud-is-real-and-its-happening-now/

https://thefederalist.com/2018/12/14/ballot-harvesting-became-new-way-steal-election/

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May 19, 2020 00:22:01   #
ImLogicallyRight
 
PaulPisces wrote:
The amount of voter fraud is practically non-existent, from a statistical POV.
The right has consistently rn around screaming about a voter ID problem that does not exist.


http://voterfraudfacts.com/


Funny just the other day I read about all of those areas in So. Cal where there were more people registered to vote then actually lived there. But of course no one mis uses that. Yeah sure. It isn't about the amount of voter fraud, it is that there is just enough to flip an election. I'd tell you about this bridge I have for sale in Brooklyn, but I don't think you'd get it.

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