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Trumps abandonment of the valiant Kurds is a stain on the American conscience.
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Oct 12, 2019 11:38:43   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yep. When I heard that they were allowing non citizens to serve, saying that I was shocked would be an understatement. How do we accept the oath to serve, from someone who has no rights in this country?

Beyond whatever goofy rationale they came up with for this scheme ( some were offered this as a way to avoid deportation ), the kids were promised an expedited path to citizenship upon satisfactory completion (Honorable discharge ) of military service.........................then were deported anyway.
Yep. When I heard that they were allowing non citi... (show quote)


That is horrifying.. And deplorable...

I agree with your first statement...But if they served then the promise should have been honored....

Truly concerning...

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Oct 12, 2019 11:47:24   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
How could a non-citizen serve in the armed forces?

Promised by who?

This is the first I have heard of it


He is referring to Obama's "dreamers." Technically, they are "illegals" but through no willful action of their own. A few joined the Army in hopes the military time would fast pace them to citizenship. I know of one who was being held for immigration judge. He was arrested for domestic abuse and after serving time was picked up by ICE. No one knows how many joined and served and if any died while in service.


The military regulations have reverted to pre-Obama, a legal non citizen with a "green card" can join the military and their service will gain points in immigration hearings. Illegals, including Obama's "dreamers" are not eligible for enlistment.

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Oct 12, 2019 11:50:24   #
Radiance3
 
eden wrote:
It is barely credible that the Kurds whom with we partnered to contain and destroy ISIS, who sacrificed 11,000 fighters in this cause, who trusted us to do right by them would be so carelessly tossed aside like so much disposable fodder. Barely credible in a human decency context but quite believable from a man who has shown such callous disregard for fellow humans in his thirst for autocracy and personal aggrandisement.

Greenlighting Erdogan to attack without warning, withdrawing American troops in the service of the specious notion of "bringing our boys home" then sending 2000 more troops to help defend Saudi Arabia has bought him well deserved bipartisan shaming.

Tell me President Trump, how many Saudi troops were at Normandy?
It is barely credible that the Kurds whom with we ... (show quote)

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Now I see the bigger picture here. While president Trump withdrew the forces in Syria, he ensured that Turkey will not go beyond the limits that violate the Kurds rights to exist. But Erdogan was dishonest, did not obey the agreement, and went ahead and pounded the Kurds. That the president did not allow to happen. And since Turkey did violated its commitment, Turkey now has a price to pay. The president will impose economic sanction against Turkey. It will pay the price like Iran. Turkey should have never been a member of the NATO.

The problem withe Saudi is even greater, and Iran must be stopped to encroach further at the Syrian territory. Iran has one most important motive by destroying Israel, thus it insists on helping Assad to get close to the Golan Heights. It is not going to happen. US and Israel holds that territory.

Iran's goal of toppling the Saudis is similar to his Syria ambition of destroying israel.
Saudis allow Israel to survive, thus Iran wants to destroy the Saudis.

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Oct 12, 2019 12:22:25   #
Gatsby
 
eden wrote:
It is barely credible that the Kurds whom with we partnered to contain and destroy ISIS, who sacrificed 11,000 fighters in this cause, who trusted us to do right by them would be so carelessly tossed aside like so much disposable fodder. Barely credible in a human decency context but quite believable from a man who has shown such callous disregard for fellow humans in his thirst for autocracy and personal aggrandisement.

Greenlighting Erdogan to attack without warning, withdrawing American troops in the service of the specious notion of "bringing our boys home" then sending 2000 more troops to help defend Saudi Arabia has bought him well deserved bipartisan shaming.

Tell me President Trump, how many Saudi troops were at Normandy?
It is barely credible that the Kurds whom with we ... (show quote)


The US State Department admitted on Friday that it had always viewed the Syrian Democratic Forces, a group that the US helped create, as including components of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which the US views as a terrorist organization.

https://www.meforum.org/59554/state-department-distrust-of-syrian-kurds?utm_source=Middle+East+Forum&utm_campaign=cf944af252-MEF_Frantzman_2019_10_11_10_19&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_086cfd423c-cf944af252-33974993&goal=0_086cfd423c-cf944af252-33974993&mc_cid=cf944af252&mc_eid=1052a60c64

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Oct 12, 2019 12:35:26   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Not true, but of it were...................I'd be in good company.


Yes with loonwolf, woodglue, moldyoly and petey bird. Good company alright.😉

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Oct 12, 2019 12:58:09   #
eden
 
lpnmajor wrote:
It seems protecting US troops fell a little short...................since Turkey's artillery fell a little long.

What does it say about our character as a Nation, when we make promises we don't intend to keep? How many young people did we deport, who faithfully served this country as a member of our Armed Forces, who were promised citizenship?

The Liar-in-chief leading a country of liars, while a plethora of people willingly offer excuses for lying.


Pitch perfect.

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Oct 12, 2019 13:00:08   #
eden
 
rjoeholl wrote:
Tell me, how many Russians were on the Eastern Front?


Are you being deliberately obtuse?

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Oct 12, 2019 13:01:33   #
eden
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
How could a non-citizen serve in the armed forces?

Promised by who?

This is the first I have heard of it


Try a little reading chum.

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Oct 12, 2019 13:02:22   #
eden
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Promised by the Pentagon. If this is the first you've heard of this, I can only assume you've been in a coma for the last 2 years. I'm glad to see that you recovered.



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Oct 12, 2019 13:05:10   #
eden
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
That is horrifying.. And deplorable...

I agree with your first statement...But if they served then the promise should have been honored....

Truly concerning...


Now you’re getting it.

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Oct 12, 2019 19:56:35   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
He is referring to Obama's "dreamers." Technically, they are "illegals" but through no willful action of their own. A few joined the Army in hopes the military time would fast pace them to citizenship. I know of one who was being held for immigration judge. He was arrested for domestic abuse and after serving time was picked up by ICE. No one knows how many joined and served and if any died while in service.


The military regulations have reverted to pre-Obama, a legal non citizen with a "green card" can join the military and their service will gain points in immigration hearings. Illegals, including Obama's "dreamers" are not eligible for enlistment.
He is referring to Obama's "dreamers." ... (show quote)


I see... I find the Dreamers to be very controversial... And would not have allowed them to serve...

Those that did serve should have their service considered in their favor... But it certainly shouldn't erase any previous crimes they may have committed...

A very complicated situation, the Dreamers...



Thanks for the additional information

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Oct 12, 2019 19:57:20   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
eden wrote:
Now you’re getting it.




Derision of one who is seeking understanding...Bet you made a great crisis councillor

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Oct 12, 2019 20:15:27   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I see... I find the Dreamers to be very controversial... And would not have allowed them to serve...

Those that did serve should have their service considered in their favor... But it certainly shouldn't erase any previous crimes they may have committed...

A very complicated situation, the Dreamers...



Thanks for the additional information
I see... I find the Dreamers to be very controvers... (show quote)


There are a few ways a person can join the military before becoming citizen...one interesting way is MAVNI...their pathway is almost a sure thing providing no arrests. But, it is not easy to get accepted. As for "Dreamers" there are only around 900 who were serving in the military.

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Oct 12, 2019 21:03:38   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
There are a few ways a person can join the military before becoming citizen...one interesting way is MAVNI...their pathway is almost a sure thing providing no arrests. But, it is not easy to get accepted. As for "Dreamers" there are only around 900 who were serving in the military.


MAVNI? I will look that up...

Remember when the Dreamers were the Kurds? And Trump was abandoning them...Betraying them...Stabbing them in the back... The Dems weren't going to allow it.. They stood strong... Then dropped them like a ten pound bag of excrement when it became expedient...

I find all of this faux brotherhood with the Kurds stomach turning...

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Oct 12, 2019 21:33:59   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
MAVNI? I will look that up...

Remember when the Dreamers were the Kurds? And Trump was abandoning them...Betraying them...Stabbing them in the back... The Dems weren't going to allow it.. They stood strong... Then dropped them like a ten pound bag of excrement when it became expedient...

I find all of this faux brotherhood with the Kurds stomach turning...


I actually feel sorry for the "dreamers" who are actually well past being children....if they apply for citizenship now, they run the chance of being deported. If they leave the USA to apply the right way, there is an excellent chance they will not be able to return. Most have never been out of the USA. They are in a difficult position. However, if we make "special arrangements" for them, it will encourage others to sneak kids into the States. A loosing situation.


I do not feel sorry for the Kurds....after 6,000 years of constant fighting, it will take a real G*d sent miracle to change their culture. As for the hand-wringing by Democrats, it is fake....of course that is just my opinion.

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