TrueAmerican

Thought this area was for NON-POLITICAL, typical leftist liberal loon can't follow rules on anything !!!!!!

bahmer

Trying to destroy American History just like all of you liberals want to do. If you don't like America then try Somalia you may find that more to your liking. You can join Ilhan Omar and cut down the Jews and America together.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

The issue of Thomas Jefferson's paternity of Sally Hemings' children has been so challenged that any source stating it is suspect. It was first charged by one of Jefferson's political opponents.

DNA evidence confirms a Jefferson as the ancestor but historical records suggest it was more likely to be Randolph, a Jefferson brother. It does not rule out Thomas but circumstances favor the brother. Any source that charges Thomas as the ancestor completely discredits itself and therefore all of its claims are questionable.

As far as the part on Lindbergh goes, it's a complete lie.

JoyV

1) What Thomas Jefferson did against his slaves. When he first inherited Monticello, he began the process of manumission for ALL the slaves he inherited. But when he found that Virginia law at the time would allow any slave he freed to still be "confiscated" for the debt his plantation was in and resold; he prevented them from being sold into potentially cruel conditions by stopping the manumissions process. Instead he had floored and windowed housing built for slave quarters, saw every slave had shoes, good clothes, and good meals with a higher degree of meat that poor whites, AND having all his slave children taught to read and write. He was criticized for his lenient treatment of slaves and filling their heads with dangerous ideas.

2) The leaders of the Missouri territory intended it to be a state with no restrictions on slavery. Just the opposite of what you are claiming. When Jefferson was asked his opinion on this intention, he wrote, "this momentous question, like a fire bell in the night, awakened and filled me with terror." So again, his written views was that the possibility of unrestricted slavery filled him with terror.

3) Already covered this one. The estate was deeply in debt when Jefferson inherited it. So what, "all his money"?

4) Your belief conflicts with the historical facts. So believe what you want, it won't change the facts. But where ever you got your revisionist history from CAN do harm when taught to youngsters as the truth.

Your list of who opposed slavery at the time has one glaring problem. They were all born long after "thew time". Now if you want slavery opposition at the time, look to the Quakers such as Betsy Ross.

JoyV

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Thank you JoyV for destroying that part of rumtoid's posting. Like PeterS, Kevyn & moldyoldy he never questions his sources. It is sufficient if it discredits his targets.

rumitoid

Lol, what was political?

rumitoid

The question of the right and wrong of slavery was debated since slavery began. Jefferson appears to have been against slavery yet he maintained over 500 because of financial reasons; to free them would have bankrupted him. That is not someone of high moral integrity but just vain good intentions.

rumitoid

The Missouri Compromise did exactly as I stated: it banned domestic slave importation and freed slaves at the age of 25.

"Lenient treatment of slaves" is an oxymoron. But that is a minor point. And you are right, I was wrong about Jefferson. Bad information and I should have made some effort to verify it. Also, there was nothing political about my post.

Here are some interesting facts:
In 1779, as a practical solution to end the legal enslavement of humans, Jefferson supported gradual emancipation, training, and colonization of African-American slaves rather than unconditional manumission, believing that releasing unprepared people with no place to go and no means to support themselves would only bring them misfortune. In 1784, Jefferson proposed federal legislation banning slavery in the New Territories of the North and South after 1800, which failed to pass Congress by one vote.[6][7] In his Notes on the State of Virginia, published in 1785, Jefferson expressed the beliefs that slavery corrupted both masters and slaves alike, supported colonization of freed slaves, promoted the idea that African-Americans were inferior in intelligence, and that emancipating large numbers of slaves made slave uprisings more likely.[8] In 1794 and 1796, Jefferson manumitted by deed two of males he had kept as slaves; they had been trained and were qualified to hold employment.

Most historians believe that after the death of his wife Martha, Jefferson had a long-term relationship with an enslaved woman who might have been Martha's half-sister, Sally Hemings.[9][10] Jefferson allowed two of Sally Hemings's surviving four children to "escape", the other two he freed through his will after his death. The children were the only family to gain freedom from Monticello.[11] In 1824, Jefferson proposed a national plan to end slavery by the federal government purchasing African-American slave children for $12.50, raising and training them in occupations of freemen, and sending them to the country of Santo Domingo. In his will, Jefferson freed three older men who had been forced to work for him for decades.[11] In 1827, the remaining 130 people who had been kept as slaves at Monticello were sold to pay the debts of Jefferson's estate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_slavery

rumitoid

Not trying to destroy anything, especially American History. If you read my thread you would see there was targeted 10 other people, most of different nationalities. I got some bad information and failed to research it better. My bad, but nothing sinister.

rumitoid

You are right and wrong. I got lazy fascinated by the bogus article's "facts" and did no research, which is very rare. I can't say that I always question my sources but I most often do. I screwed up, end of story.

teabag09

Excellent. What range. Mike

JoyV

Thanks. The attacks on our founders because they owned slaves at the time is bad enough, but to go after one of the only ones who was actually trying to end slavery is insane.

rumitoid

I apologized and said I was wrong. Bad information--and that's all. Nothing sinister. There were to be ten more people supposedly exposed, most of different nationalities. Maybe the information on them is wrong as well. Sorry, just late night laziness.

JoyV

So you think he should have feed them and let them be taken to sell south and it would no longer be his problem? Virginia changed the law because of what Jefferson attempted. They made it illegal to free any slave for any reason. If Jefferson was NOT trying to free his slaves, Virginia wouldn't have changed the law to ban emancipation.

From his earliest days as a Virginia Burgess, Jefferson championed legislation that would make it easier for slave owners to independently manumit their own slaves. In 1770, he represented two mulatto boys pro bono, arguing that they had natural rights. Again in 1772, he gave legal representation to George Manly, a son of a free black woman, who had petitioned for freedom after working as an indentured servant beyond his contracted term. Once his freedom was secured, Manly worked at Monticello for Jefferson himself, who paid him wages.

In his initial draft of the Declaration of Independence, he condemned the “Christian king of Great Britain” for imposing the slave trade upon Virginia. “He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty … determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought & sold” The language was struck out by the Continental Congress at large.

In his 1776 Bill to Prevent the Importation of Slaves in Virginia, Jefferson also made a failed attempt halt the importation of slaves in his own state. Over and over again, he characterized slavery as an abject evil.

In his Notes on the State of Virginia, the most noteworthy American book of the 18th century, he wrote, “The opinion, that they [slaves] are inferior in the faculties of reason and imagination, must be hazarded with great diffidence…How much more then where it is a faculty, not a substance, we are examining; where it eludes the research of all the senses; where the conditions of its existence are various and variously combined; where the effects of those which are present or absent bid defiance to calculation; let me add too, as a circumstance of great tenderness, where our conclusion would degrade a whole race of men from the rank in the scale of beings which their Creator may perhaps have given them. I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind.” He followed by saying, “nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free,” and warned those who claimed otherwise that God’s “justice cannot sleep forever.”

In his response to the defeat of his 1786 proposal for a gradual manumission act for his home state, he wrote, “When the measure of their tears shall be full, when their groans shall have involved heaven itself in darkness, doubtless a god of justice will awaken to their distress, and by diffusing light and liberality among their oppressors, or at length by his exterminating thunder, manifest his attention to the things of this world, and that they are not left to the guidance of blind fatality.”

Through his public life, Jefferson maintained that blacks were equally entitled to self-government, and were imbued by their creator with inalienable rights. Jefferson’s anti-slavery streak was remarkably consistent throughout his life, although he will never be given adequate credit for it. Although Jefferson’s actual views are often obscured by trends of presentism, his perspective on slavery was radically liberal for his time and place.





So to reiterate:
1-Jefferson inherited a plantation deeply in debt. Compounding this was Jefferson’s agreement to extend a huge amount of credit to a close friend, Wilson Cary Nicholas, who unpredictably went bankrupt and died before repayment.
2-Jefferson began manumission procedures to emancipate every slave on the plantation.
3-Jefferson was informed that the Virginia law enabled any emancipated slave to be taken to pay a debt and sold to pay the debt.
4-Jefferson halted manumission procedures.
5-Jefferson instead made improvements to the slaves living conditions, including a specific number of hours a slave could be made to work.
6-Jefferson spent a great deal of time and effort trying to legislate abolition, as well as writing copiously against slavery.