Rose42

No. The government has no business in trying to promote in any way the homosexual agenda. The agenda is certainly not peace, it is promoting amorality.



No it doesn't exist in nature. The behavior in animals does not mean the same thing. You don't believe you have bought into propaganda but you have.

Its shameful for any parent to mollycoddle those desires as it is to mollycoddle any other amoral desire. There is no difference. Its no different than encouraging a child to be transgender. That is child abuse.

Homosexuality is a choice. Emotions and wants will not change the truth.



Thats something we agree on.

Morgan

I never said every translation, I simply said it was corrupted by man's word and each author's interpretation. It should have been written by Christ himself, IMHO

It makes no sense? It makes every sense from a man's perspective and our free thinking. It is in our nature, do you think the creator would understand that, being that he made us?

The question is with you, and the bible. The different "roles" have been made by man and our societies. Different roles and stature do exist in different cultures. Yes, women can give birth men cannot, men have more brawn, it ends about there.

I don't agree, I see the Bible as putting men more superior and why there aren't women apostles, it would make sense to me to have men and women be apostles, teacher of his word.

Rose42

It was. It was inspired by him - the Holy Spirit.



Our nature is to be selfish and prideful. And to reject God.



The argument is not with me. And men and women are far different than just strength and giving birth. FAR different.



The bible honors women. Don't get stuck on them not being one of the 12.

From The Biblical Portrait of Women -

"Christ's first recorded, explicit disclosure of His own identity as the true Messiah was made to a Samaritan woman (John 4:25-26). He always treated women with the utmost dignity—even women who might otherwise be regarded as outcasts (Matthew 9:20-22; Luke 7:37-50; John 4:7-27). He blessed their children (Luke 18:15-16), raised their dead (Luke 7:12-15), forgave their sin (Luke 7:44-48), and restored their virtue and honor (John 8:4-11). Thus He exalted the position of womanhood itself.

It is no surprise therefore that women became prominent in the ministry of the early church (Acts 12:12-15; 1 Corinthians 11:11-15). On the day of Pentecost, when the New Testament church was born, women were there with the chief disciples, praying (Acts 1:12-14). Some were renowned for their good deeds (Acts 9:36); others for their hospitality (Acts 12:12; 16:14-15); still others for their understanding of sound doctrine and their spiritual giftedness (Acts 18:26; 21:8-9). John's second epistle was addressed to a prominent woman in one of the churches under his oversight. Even the apostle Paul, sometimes falsely caricatured by critics of Scripture as a male chauvinist, regularly ministered alongside women (Philippians 4:3). He recognized and applauded their faithfulness and their giftedness (Romans 16:1-6; 2 Timothy 1:5). "

https://www.gty.org/library/articles/A265/the-biblical-portrait-of-women-setting-the-record-straight

Morgan

Your beliefs you can espouse to me from now to doomsday and I'm not going to agree nor am I going to get into a tit for tact of verse. Your examples are of women being appreciated and present but not having the same authority, and a few women who've been able to surface to be able to, it is a rarity and not the norm.
My own persoanal conclusions have come through a lifetime of observances and are only my opinion. But back to my point, why are men, priests and are allowed/able to climb the hierarchy of the Church but women cannot. Hmmm? I rest my case to the attitudes in religion and again I was not talking about Christ. Believe what you like, as I will.
We've completely gotten off my topic. So, we'll both go and leave our perspectives completely intact, nothing gained nothing lost, as usual on Opp. Have a pleasant day.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

It is about time it is addressed.. All this back and forth of the issue does nothing but create more bias, hate and further division rather than resolution..

What do you think will be the outcome??

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

An interesting question often brought up~~Perhaps you and Morgan will find this article somewhat informative~~
For me, I’m still out on whether DNA, genes etc play a factor..

<snip>
This is the first DNA difference ever linked to female sexual orientation, says Lisa Diamond, a psychologist at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City who studies the nature and development of same-sex sexuality. The results are consistent with previous studies suggesting genetics may play a bigger role in influencing male sexuality than female sexuality. It’s not unusual for one sex of a species to be more fluid in their sexuality, choosing partners of both sexes, Diamond says. For humans, male sexuality may be more tightly linked to genes.

But that doesn’t mean that genes control sexual behavior or orientation. “Same-sex sexuality appears to be genetically influenced, but not genetically determined,” Diamond says. “This is not the only complex human phenomenon for which we see a genetic influence without a great understanding of how that influence works.” Other complex human behaviors, such as smoking, alcohol use, personality and even job satisfaction all have some genetic component.

Previous research had suggested that genes influencing sexual orientation were located on the X chromosome (SN: 11/4/95, p. 295; SN: 7/7/93, p. 37). But Ganna and colleagues found no evidence that the X chromosome is involved in partner choice, he said.

Instead, the researchers found genetic variants known as single nucleotide polymorphisms, or SNPs, located on four other chromosomes. SNPs are naturally occurring spots in the DNA where some people have one DNA base, or letter, and other people have another. The variants didn’t change any genes, but were found near some genes that may be involved.<snip>

Please read the entire article as there is much more to it..Just too much to copy the entire piece..

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/genetics-dna-homosexuality-gay-orientation-attractiveness-straight

Morgan

Why this issue has come about, (the therapy) is due to the negative results it's had on the children. You can imagine, as a mother also, him being pounded on a daily bases to feel shame about himself? It is not only a form of brainwashing but also torture. Not only shame for what you've done, but more to the point, for who YOU ARE. My God, it is so wrong.

Some people do not have physical attributes to show they are gay, but others do have them, they didn't make that up, it is their makeup. I wish some people knew the terrible anguish kids go through when they realize their own feelings are not normal and their own worst nightmare.

What I know of this from people who have expressed it to me, is portrayed in a movie Love Simon and it presented in a very respectful way, more people should see it, I realize some people can't, just from the topic alone and that is sad. Gay people growing up do and have suffered internally and that is what is really sad and the cause is simply societies attitude. This is not promoting this lifestyle, it is only being understanding.

I'm hoping the bill we be passed.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

What I find over the line is this new. age movement to put an E X for gender on birth certificates..

Census wise it creates a nightmare.. Lineage wise it does the same thing~~

How do the parents know their child born one sex is going to opt for another later, etc??

Sometimes we push things bit too far ..
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio signed a bill into law on Tuesday that adds a third gender option on birth certificates in the city.

The mayor said last week that “this is an example of respecting all New Yorkers, and giving people the freedom of self-determination and self-expression,” according to CBS New York. The third gender option, noted as “X,” is intended for gender non-conforming people.

The law also does away with the requirement that transgender people get a note from a medical professional to change their gender identity on their birth certificate, according to The New York Daily News. The change is expected to help with other forms of ID, too.

“Birth certificates are necessary to access many city services — and the gender listed on a drivers’ license or other forms official ID are generally based on what is listed on the birth certificate,” according to The New York Daily News, “meaning today’s change will make it easier for people to obtain multiple forms of ID that reflect their gender identity.”

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article219731440.html

Six states now recognize this practice...

Rose42

I've seen that article. If one searches and tries to justify ones beliefs they will find something. If they spent as much time trying to find a bad temper gene or one that makes one tend to be promiscuous or anything else, I'm sure they'd find that too. But there are no special interest groups for that.

Rose42

They are your opinion because you don't believe God's word. Your argument is not with me.

I have no problem with women not being pastors. Women pastors are never biblically sound theologians. There has not been one great woman biblical scholar or theologian. Ever. There's a reason for that. Its not because "men held them back" or God held them back.

You don't have a case to rest. Men and women are by nature very different - not just physically.

You have a good day too.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I do understand the humanistic side of this and yes, children especially can be mean to others following peer pressure etc..

When living in Chicago I had a gay couple (men) that bent over backwards to be friendly, helpful and just nice..They felt Compelled to tell me they were gay yet never flaunted it, being respectfully.. We talked about it too and in many respects I felt sorry for the rejection they dealt with all their lives..But also recognized that was their choice whether it be genetic or simply choice...

I believe the choice of sexuality
belongs to the person(s) and should be a private issue..

Whatever the ramifications or consequences of are left in their hands.. I also suspect much of the consequences they deal with is one of the reasons they feel so guilty.

I read were you made a comment regarding transgender‘s that is entirely another subject and one that I unfortunately do not see as broadly as I do about gay couples...

Rose42

This is madness. And its a growing madness.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I agree with you, Rose..Its like ok, lets jump on the bandwagon here giving no consideration to what it does in the long run..

Will it mean those that want proper gender identification will have to then change their birth certificate?? Census wise and lineage wise it will most certainly Skew the numbers...

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Don’t disagree with you.. Exactly my thought on the topic and why I am still left wondering..

Rose42

Did you know they now have transgender dolls? Its really getting crazy.