Morgan

The Mental Health Protection Act, a recently introduced bill, would make North Carolina the next state to ban the practice for minors. This bill, HB 516, would designate conversion therapy “unprofessional conduct,” and counselors, social workers or other professionals practicing it could lose their license.

“I am a survivor of conversion therapy, and I use the word survivor very, very specifically,” Brinton told a group gathered at Durham’s Northstar Church of the Arts on Wednesday.

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Some go as far as shock therapy. Being gay is not a mental condition or disorderfor that matter not even a conscious decision, it is biological.

It's about time this was addressed, I hope more states will follow

Rose42

This type of therapy is no more damaging than encouraging transgenderism and homosexuality in children.

It is not biological (propaganda) - it is a choice. Choosing the homosexual lifestyle is no different than choosing to give in to tendencies to a violent temper or anything else.

Morgan

No Rose, it's not a choice. There are some sexual behaviors that are a matter of choice but not being simply gay. A very good movie on the subject and very well done is Love, Simon. Pete Buttigieg also had made similar comments to it NOT being a matter of choice and he wished it was. This is why therapy does not work.

And No, I am not gay.

Rose42

Yes it is a choice no matter how much they want it to be otherwise they can't change the truth. These days people want to make up their own truth to suit what they want. Its the old adage of say it loud enough and long enough and people will start to believe it. That's exactly whats happened with homosexuality and its happening now with transgenders.

People make all kinds of excuses for giving in to various tendencies. Pete Buttigieg's opinion is irrelevant especially considering he claims to be a Christian but openly lives against something the bible is very clear about.

They need sincere help not affirmation. At the end of the day its nobody's business if you choose to live that lifestyle. But never should it be pushed onto children or forced onto anyone else. Nor should anyone act or use rhetoric like they do in the Westboro church.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Kevyn

The Bible is much more clear about lying, theft and adultery. Buttigieg like Trump professes to be a Christian and quite frankly his word is a lot more believable than Trumps.

Morgan

Rose, it is you who has been told something for so long you refuse to believe the simple truth, that comes from the mouths of the homosexuals and not from me.



I hate to say it and no offense but that's just what you're doing. I probably have had a lot more exposure to homosexuals than you have, forgive me if I'm wrong, but I've loved them as they've been in my family, a family of nine with five brothers, I've been friends with them in school and worked and have lived with one. I've had very intimate conversations with many. This isn't about being right but it is about being informed.

Transgenders I see as another issue.



It is you whose making up your own truth, and not allowing the truth inside your head. Buttigieg's personal confession is very relevant. He is a Christian, another fact you wish to not believe within your own constraints. Your perspective on him being a Christian... you don't think is true simply because he is gay? That is a narrow perspective IMO.

Homosexuality is not pushed on children or "forced" onto anyone, oh my gosh, what a lie, that's pure propaganda. They don't need counseling, they need understanding, it is what it is.

Rose42

Wrong. Its crystal clear about homosexuality. Thats one reason Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed.

If Buttigieg denies the bible on something so clear then his word is worthless.

Rose42

No, I grew up in the San Francisco area before they started with pride parades and I'm sure I've known and worked with many more than you have. It doesn't matter what someone says. They choose the lifestyle.



No you haven't been around more. I've had the same conversations. Its an emotional response to say they have no choice. Reason and logic tell another story. Nature itself tells another story. And animals showing what some claim is homosexual behavior isn't the same behavior.



He can't be a Christian if he's so openly defiant about God's word. Your argument isn't with me its with God's word. Its not a pot luck where you can pick and choose what you'll believe or accept. Buttigieg treats it as a pot luck. That speaks to his lack of integrity. If he didn't claim to be a Christian I wouldn't say that.



When they teach about it in school, about LGBT history, etc., that is most certainly pushing it on children. When parents are dumb enough to raise children 'genderless' (which is impossible) or transgender that is child abuse. This sickness is more and more pervasive. Soon fewer people will think there's anything wrong with transgenderizing children and giving them hormones. That's how propaganda works.

They definitely need help. Not mollycoddling their choice of lifestyle. Some people give in, some don't. The weak give in.

Morgan

Sodom and Gomorrah, very good example, the Biblical story where daughters lay with their father? A perfect example of the hypocrisies in the Bible written by men. Different men with different aspects. I can find many verses to not be the judge of others, that is for God. To love one another, without conditions.

Rose42

That's not a hypocrisy. There are no hypocrisies in the bible. It was penned by men but inspired by God. Do you understand the bible at all? If you did you know that many take the verse about not judging out of context. It means to not judge hypocritically not that we are not to judge sin. You will find many verses about hypocrisy. And many verses about wisdom and discernment. But you will find no hypocrisy in the bible.

Morgan

It is not with the Divine, though it is with the Bible and religion, this shown with poor misguided attitudes all in the name of religious righteousness. It has done more harm to man then benefit with its religious dogma of ostracizing and condemning others.

Educating people is not "pushing" anything, it broadens one's mind, each person must evaluate what he learns and do some critical thinking on their own and not simply walk with the masses.

I know how propaganda works, I see it every day.

Rose42

Actually that isn't true. Christianity doesn't ostracize. Christ didn't ostracize but he never condoned sin either. Repentance is open to all. But people love their sin and would rather hang onto it and make excuses for it.



Its called brainwashing and yes, it is pushing the agenda onto children. Most certainly it is. It is not the place of government to mandate 'education' of sexual aberrations. That is a good illustration of how the propaganda of a special interest group has permeated society.

Morgan

I guess I can claim the same thing if I choose, God speaks to all of us, does he not?

I fear it is you who does not understand. As long as it is written by man's hand, it is always corrupted by each person's own preconceived conditioned thinking.

If you don't see some of the things in the bible as morally questionable, I don't know what to say. So you're good with two daughters being with their father? That seems very hypocritic to me. Tell me why there are also no women apostles?

Yes, there are good lessons to be had, but others ...not so much, that is not Godly, that is human.

Morgan

In referencing to ostracizing I wasn't talking about Christ, I was talking about some Christian religions along with other religions, Muslims for another, people do things like that, not spirit. And actually, they certainly do.

If you have a sex education class, it should include that gay people exist and not to hate and judge them. The only agenda there is peace, to live and let live and not to hate because people are different.

Brainwashing is exactly what they were doing to the children trying to force them to think they were not gay, and in being gay they were/are sinful, shameful, dirty, and maybe that is what you think also because you cannot see what is not in their control. BTW homosexuality exists in nature also and not from a mental choice. There are many things we haven't figured out yet on how or why things happen.

I think it's best to end our different perspectives here.

Rose42

Why would a perfect God who gave us his inspired word allow every translation to be corrupted? That makes no logical sense. Just as it would make no logical sense for there to be thousands of different religions. Only one can be right.

I never said some things weren't morally questionable. Of course two daughters laying with their father is. It never says anywhere in the bible that its ok. Sin is never sanctioned in the bible.

Your argument with their being no women apostles is not with me its with God. Men and women have different roles. Thats nature like it or not. Neither is less or more important nor does the bible treat either as more important for they are spiritually equal. Many women seem to forget that Christ always had women around them and never treated them as lesser beings.