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Apr 11, 2019 08:50:18   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Morgan wrote:
This is the moral of the new right, to behave in unethical practices as long as the end result is to get what you want, that's a very low bar one though very familiar to corporate America which is why Trump is perfectly comfortable with it and with a complete lack of moral consciousness.

The government practice should be held at a much higher bar of integrity in order to prevent it from it becoming corrupt. Now when we consider the lack of integrity that is rampant we need to invoke new laws.

Corporate people such as Murdock, the Koch's and Trump know have an entourage of lawyers working for them on what they can push to the limit that is not illegal, ethics be damned, not even a consideration, the only thing that is considered is that they GOT the upper hand and won. You may think working in a total lack of principle is OK as long as you get what you want, I do not, I believe in a country with moral principles.
This is the moral of the new right, to behave in u... (show quote)


A country with moral principals is something both sides of the supposed party should have considered years ago when they so callously threw scruples out the window for self enrichment pandering to their special interest groups, lining their pockets.. It is not the practice of one party thats for sure and it didn’t just start up either.. Its as old as the parties in their accepted wheel n deal mentality..And we have tolerated it dismissing it as “just politics”... We are their enablers not calling them out when it takes place...Voting is not enough, we put them in office and then hold them accountable and I mean on real issues not the BS propaganda they collectively put out for power and control of “ party”...

I understand how Trumps entertaining at his home/ slash resort area is of concern but will reiterate if he is disclosing and notifying as is required then whether its offensive because it raises the feelings of inappropriate conduct that is a moral opinion, not a legal conclusion..

How about President Roosevelt famously hosting the king and queen of England at his Hyde Park estate, President Ronald Reagan hosting Britain's Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev at his California ranch?? Or President George H.W. Bush hosting a litany of international leaders at his family compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, and President George W. Bush Jr. doing the same at his family home in Crawford, Texas???

Seems no one raised issues in the “ added expense “ for security etc but because Trump does the same using his private residence which is also a resort its wrong...It enhances his resort being the whose who of the party in line with big dollar attendees or membership status, I get that and perhaps the lawsuit filed against President Trump will bring further suspicions of his actions to a clear understanding of what exactly is he allowed to do?? And if he discloses whatever he is required to do??

With so many precedents, why would anyone point fingers at President Donald Trump for hosting foreign dignitaries at Mar-a-Lago, his Palm Beach, Florida, estate?

While we could debate which party is more corrupt or who has taken down our country in their cavalier dynamics of criminal activities we would achieve nothing in the process... We all see things differently and most of it is measured by who is doing what to whom.. Our eyes and ears don’t lie to us..

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Apr 11, 2019 09:18:43   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Morgan wrote:
We have witnessed what happens when one party controls every branch of government including the attorney general and judges dedicated to the president over their country, justice does not prevail, therefore since they have found ways around present laws, extensions of the laws or new ones need to be created in order to protect the integrity of our laws.

Trump needs to work within the limits, and yes even the POTUS has limits, of the working government protocol. The United States of America is not HIS private business or Corporation.
We have witnessed what happens when one party cont... (show quote)


I sure agree with you on witnessing what happens when one party has complete control... The built in mechanisms of our laws go to hell especially when you find out just how criminal their actions are and then covered up.. Look at the FBI and CIA spying on us, we the citizens or how intricately involved they are in executing the criminal deeds of those in office..it is truly pathetic...

More laws won’t change it, there are or were plenty of laws to govern”governing our country” and none of them enforced..Those whom make the laws are the worst offenders as we know...

They make them and know exactly what the “ built in” loopholes are before the bill is even approved and made law...
How do we control that?? I am open to any suggestions you have on it...

The working government protocol?? Hell, that is exactly what needs changing..
We’ve had many years of “protocol” where elitism of government is tantamount to everything they do and why they do it..
I’m sick of “ protocol “ aka PCBS~~
We need to be aggressive in our goals for our country, we need movers and shakers that don’t buy into government protocol and act rather than just run their mouths...

Of late I’m coming to the conclusion these same ole, same ole, Politicians that have been leeching off of us forever need to go period..Same ole, same old is stagnating our growth and development..

If you’re speaking of moral protocol they do not know what that is...They have none and it can’t be taught.. You either have a moral compass or you don’t...They do not...

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Apr 11, 2019 19:32:30   #
Morgan
 
lindajoy wrote:
A country with moral principals is something both sides of the supposed party should have considered years ago when they so callously threw scruples out the window for self enrichment pandering to their special interest groups, lining their pockets.. It is not the practice of one party thats for sure and it didn’t just start up either.. Its as old as the parties in their accepted wheel n deal mentality..And we have tolerated it dismissing it as “just politics”... We are their enablers not calling them out when it takes place...Voting is not enough, we put them in office and then hold them accountable and I mean on real issues not the BS propaganda they collectively put out for power and control of “ party”...

I understand how Trumps entertaining at his home/ slash resort area is of concern but will reiterate if he is disclosing and notifying as is required then whether its offensive because it raises the feelings of inappropriate conduct that is a moral opinion, not a legal conclusion..

How about President Roosevelt famously hosting the king and queen of England at his Hyde Park estate, President Ronald Reagan hosting Britain's Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev at his California ranch?? Or President George H.W. Bush hosting a litany of international leaders at his family compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, and President George W. Bush Jr. doing the same at his family home in Crawford, Texas???

Seems no one raised issues in the “ added expense “ for security etc but because Trump does the same using his private residence which is also a resort its wrong...It enhances his resort being the whose who of the party in line with big dollar attendees or membership status, I get that and perhaps the lawsuit filed against President Trump will bring further suspicions of his actions to a clear understanding of what exactly is he allowed to do?? And if he discloses whatever he is required to do??

With so many precedents, why would anyone point fingers at President Donald Trump for hosting foreign dignitaries at Mar-a-Lago, his Palm Beach, Florida, estate?

While we could debate which party is more corrupt or who has taken down our country in their cavalier dynamics of criminal activities we would achieve nothing in the process... We all see things differently and most of it is measured by who is doing what to whom.. Our eyes and ears don’t lie to us..
A country with moral principals is something both ... (show quote)


Why... because when something is unethical to the point of subverting our country, we don't continue to do so! We put an end to the behavior. To not to do so, is rewarding the corruption and reinforcing the practice to continue.

Linda your references from other presidents were their homes... not their money making businesses, why don't you see these differences?

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Apr 11, 2019 19:39:28   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Morgan wrote:
Well, Goooolllly Gomer, I see you're having a good day today, you're somewhat coherent, but that's enough for today, go on and go back to sleep. You talking about juvenile posts, that's good one.


So tell us ma'am.

Who do you support for 2020 ?

Who do you think can beat Trump ?

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Apr 12, 2019 08:01:15   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Morgan wrote:
Why... because when something is unethical to the point of subverting our country, we don't continue to do so! We put an end to the behavior. To not to do so, is rewarding the corruption and reinforcing the practice to continue.

Linda your references from other presidents were their homes... not their money making businesses, why don't you see these differences?


I think we’re saying the same thing about not correcting the issues when they occur instead of just voting... I don’t care which party it is either.. Its always both reneging on their campaign promises or caving to the elitist once they are voted in and playing their game rather than why we put them in office..

Other Presidents using their personal residence to host dignitaries still incur those expenses in security and moving the entourage of personal chefs and WhiteHouse people that need to be in attendance for the business part etc..

Trumps Property in Florida is both a private residence and a resort...When entertaining he is no different than others whom have done so... The argument has been both the added expenses in doing so and then alleging he is capitalizing on it too...

I do see the difference pointing it out in my post, I’m just not willing to add in “he’s capitalizing “ on hosting dignitaries there simply because his resort is there too..

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Apr 12, 2019 18:17:11   #
Morgan
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
So tell us ma'am.

Who do you support for 2020 ?

Who do you think can beat Trump ?


In my mind, anyone, the Republicans have a real opportunity now to select a new person who can actually be honorable of the position and unite us once again but will they? If that person stepped up to the plate they'd have my vote, my loyalty is to country not party. Who do you think that could be?

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Apr 12, 2019 18:27:59   #
Morgan
 
lindajoy wrote:
I think we’re saying the same thing about not correcting the issues when they occur instead of just voting... I don’t care which party it is either.. Its always both reneging on their campaign promises or caving to the elitist once they are voted in and playing their game rather than why we put them in office..

Other Presidents using their personal residence to host dignitaries still incur those expenses in security and moving the entourage of personal chefs and WhiteHouse people that need to be in attendance for the business part etc..

Trumps Property in Florida is both a private residence and a resort...When entertaining he is no different than others whom have done so... The argument has been both the added expenses in doing so and then alleging he is capitalizing on it too...

I do see the difference pointing it out in my post, I’m just not willing to add in “he’s capitalizing “ on hosting dignitaries there simply because his resort is there too..
I think we’re saying the same thing about not corr... (show quote)


Linda, he has capitalized on it that's a fact, and there is an unethical principle involved, not to mention the cost of added security. Why should we pay for his upgrading his security systems or increased staff? If he wants a homey environment to host his foreign diplomats he can go to Camp David, but maybe the White House isn't gilded in enough gold for him to impress the foreign leaders like he would like to? i mean really, it all comes down to his ego.

We see how he lavishes himself with his own home as if he's a Zsar. A real man of the people. I think that was something you were looking for in Trump, but that is simply not him. I wish Republicans would support someone else in 2020. We all need better choices.

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