Loki Loc: Georgia

Our first exchange on this thread is as follows:




Loki wrote:
Children of US citizen criminals are separated from their criminal parents every damn day. Where is your concern for them? Or is it reserved solely for wetback border jumpers?


"You know nothing about my concerns for children separated from their parents except for what you know about my concern for the children suffering from being taken from their parents because of their illegal border crossing. Don'ty change the subject, and don't maintain that two wrongs make a right. Typical no nothing effort to deflect criticism by changing the subject."

Once more, WHOM did you say began the insults?

If I seem angry, it's not at you. You aren't smart enough to make me angry. You are barely smart enough to amuse me.

Richard94611

What abouty the "concerned solely for wetback border jumpers" ? That's the start of the insults. You know nothing about me, yet you jump to these conclusions. I'm sure you have strong defenses and cannot see how objectionable your attitude most of the time is. Do you ever even try to discuss issues.? Your constant insults make what you say less and less worthy of serious attention.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Are you a wetback border jumper? If not then the insult was not directed at you, and the question is legitimate. What makes treating foreign criminals the same as the homegrown variety a crime against humanity?
I get upset at the hypocrisy of people who are outraged that children are separated from their parents and placed in secure and safe detention facilities, yet these same people have not said a word about the previous Administration whom even Snopes verifies actually turned some of these children over to human traffickers. It's horrible that the Trump Administration supposedly lost 1400 kids, but just hunky dory that the Obama Administration lost more than 4000 in one year.

Richard94611

How can you even say this? It isn’t ok that any kids were lost by anyone.

The issue was relatively unknown during Obama’s administration. I am fairly informed and I hadn’t heard about it during the Obama administration. How can you jump to the conclusion that Obama’s supporters would not have regarded it as a serious problem?

What makes what is going on a crime against humanity is that many of these people are fleeing across the border because they are in fear for the lives of their children and themselves. If you were in the same kind of fear and danger, wouldn’t you do the same thing?

It’s a matter of compassion.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

No, I wouldn't do the same thing. If I was in fear for the lives of my children in my own country, I'd fight the dirty b*stards who are threatening them. I sure as hell wouldn't hand my kids over to human traffickers just to get them out of the country, or as a way to establish chain migration.

Child trafficking victims, whether for labor, sex or organ trafficking, come from all backgrounds, include both boys and girls. They span a wide age range from 1 to 18 years old. Sex trafficking victims up to roughly 25 years old most often started as young as 14. Children are trafficked out of, or into the United States from all regions of the world and represent a variety of different races, ethnic groups and religions. They may be brought to the U.S. legally or smuggled in.

Trafficked children can be lured to the U.S. through the promise of school or work and promised the opportunity to send money back to their families. Children are also vulnerable to kidnappers, pimps, and professional brokers. Some children are even sold to traffickers by their families, who may or may not have an understanding of what will happen to the child. U.S. born children are also trafficked within the U.S., coming from any racial group, socio-economic background, and come from or trafficked within both city and rural areas.
The numbers;

Update: In 2012 the (UNODC) United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime reports the percentage of child victims had risen in a 3 year span from 20 per cent to 27 per cent. Of every three child victims, two are girls and one is a boy.

Gender and age profile of victims detected globally: 59% Women - 14% Men - 17% Girls and 10% were Boys.

600,000 to 800,000 women, children and men bought and sold across international borders every year and exploited for forced labor or commercial sex (U.S. Government)
When internal trafficking victims are added to the estimates, the number of victims annually is in the range of 2 to 4 million
50% of those victims are estimated to be children
It is estimated that 76 percent of transactions for sex with underage girls start on the Internet
2 million children are subjected to prostitution in the global commercial sex trade (UNICEF)
There are 20.9 Million victims of Trafficking World wide as of 2012
1.5 Million victims in the United States

The impact;

Human trafficking has surpassed the illegal sale of arms.
Trafficking will surpass the illegal sale of drugs in the next few years.
Drugs are used once and they are gone. Victims of child trafficking can be used and abused over and over
A $32 billion-a-year industry, human trafficking is on the rise and is in all 50 states (U.S. Government)
4.5 Million of trafficked persons are sexually exploited
Up to 300,000 Americans under 18 are lured into the commercial sex trade every year
From 14,500 - 17,500 of those victims are trafficked into the United States each year.

Stats compiled by Arc of Hope for Children from US government and international sources.

Richard94611

And if you were a mother whose husband had been killed, leaving you with 2 children and no one to protect them and you, you would stay and fight the people threatening you ?

In that situation, I would take my children and get the hell away.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Of course you would. Liberal males are not known for their courage.

I'll put it this way, I'd hate to threaten the children of the American mothers I know. Been my experience that threatening a mother's children, whether she's human or animal, is not a smart thing to do.

Loki Loc: Georgia

I have compassion. Unlike you, my compassion is for the children of US citizens. The situation in Mexico and Central America has been the same for years, sometimes for decades. These people are showing up in such numbers because they think they will get amnesty on the cheap.
I have compassion for the children of the REAL refugees who are getting screwed by the unmanageable number of fraudulent asylum seekers.
Did you ever think about that one? These people were warned that they didn't have much chance of being granted asylum. The US has taken in more refugees and granted amnesties to undeserving people more than any country in the world's history. Liberals say that Conservatives are racist and don't want amnesty for wetbacks because of the color of their skin. Bullshit. We have no problem with the million plus Mexicans who are becoming US citizens the legal way. While you Liberals have conniption fits over ilegals, you don't even think about the kids of the legal immigrants. How about a little help for their parents?
Had previous Administrations been faced with this number of fraudulent asylum seekers they probably would have done basically the same thing, except that if it was Obama it would naturally be an act of statesmanship. You refuse to lay the blame where it belongs; at the feet of unscrupulous illegal alien activist lawyers and organizations who need sacrifices for their political and financial goals. The children who are separated from their parents are mostly the children of people caught sneaking into this country. Where is your compassion for the child of a US citizen victim of wetback caused violent crime? You DO realize that not only did the Obama Administration turn some of the children THEY ordered separated over to human traffickers, they lost more in one year than the total of unaccounted for children in this Administration. More than twice as many. Where is your compassion and outrage? Obama released tens of thousands of wetback felons onto American streets; about 8000 of whom had been convicted of violent crimes. Wanna guess how many showed up for their deportation hearings like good little illegal felons? Think about it; 8000 violent felons who disappear onto the streets of the United States and that's NOT a "crime against humanity?"
I am hard to surprise, but the self-serving hypocrisy of Liberals still amazes and appalls me.

You are fairly well informed on anything that fits your Liberal agenda, true or not. Your estimate of your knowledge of world events is far in excess of the actuality.