PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

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autocthon Loc: Batcave

As Arte Johnson would say "veddy interesting", I'm not sure I would have EVER gotten that out of it. Talk about your esoteric analogy. Now I have to sit down and think about this for awhile. Not sure that if I don't scratch at this one it won't bleed a little. One example; a "liberal" road to anarchy? I always thought that was anathema to anarchists.

Ve'hoe

Some "have good intentions" therefore they "Doubt" that they could ever do anything wrong, or mean, even after they have been warned.
It is just that the person they are talking to isnt:
a. As smart as they are.
b. Doesnt know what is good for them
c. needs their help making good decisions
d. Is like "ungrateful"


Yep,,,liberalism....

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

If you can't win, join 'em.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

The one thing standing in the way of liberal anarchists is the Constitution, which is an anathema to them.

rodulfo-tardo

It is the strategy of the Geopolitical state, to maintain a level of retributive disparity, at first based on the 'minutia of social diversity' then expands to "ideological uniformity" it should be noted the Nuremberg Laws passed in 1935, were the implementation of Geopolitics, actually the concept of "War by Revolution" used by the Ottoman Empire to illustrate how Geopolitics perfectly weaves itself, into the "Darwinist Selection" of the Social-economic cancellation of the Normative State, Geopolitics is the Prerogative State, and, the Prerogative State is the "Leader State" the totalitarianism of Geopolitics, works in multiple ways, the Ottomans, used it force a 'shariaist state, the restrictions were assumed to be be religious, but it is politics any politically restrictive system tries to make omnipotent, this will easily incorporate "race, religion, ethnicity and ideology" is its most effective form, it dis-places all of these making the cultural, moral and conventions of that 'society' unacceptable for their "Progressivism" whether it is left or right, it has no difference to speak of, the important thing to realize, is how the
total results are predictably a totalitarian state, the 'political-correctness' is a case and point, it is Geo-Speak that makes arming Al'Qaeda in Syria, perfectly legal and the Christian Genocide, is justifiably ignored otherwise how would you be able to address the treason of this Geopolitical-Islamicate?

Hungry Freaks

Libertarian is closer to anarchist thought than liberalism. But anarchy throughout the past few centuries has meant different things to different people.

I think the word anarchy means "without rulers" in Latin or Greek. Government, especially the use of government force is the anathema of the anarchist.

Most anarchists believe that, left to our own devices, humankind will self-govern, form small, autonomous communities among individuals who will live by consensus of the group without forcing anyone to comply with an individual's or any part of the group's will.

Some anarchists claim that hunter-gatherer society was essentially anarchist. In the North American and in Australia, aboriginal tribes often were leaderless in the modern sense of the word. without the use of force in induce any standard of conformity to the tribal norm. Among the American Indians there was a great deal of violence in the form of ritualized warfare between different tribes, but the anarchists, with some degree of validity, claim that in tribal affairs, the consensus of the group usually prevailed. A chief was often an old a wise warrior who commanded during ritualized warfare, but had little real authority in the governance of tribal matters.

Here in New Jersey, there is the legend of Chief Cohanzick, of the Lenni Lenape people. there's even a statue to honor him in Greenwich, Cumberland County, NJ.

Except there never was a Chief Cohanzick. Early European settlers came upon the Cohanzick branch of the Lenni Lenape and in a misunderstanding, kept asking who was chief. The idea of 'chief" being foreign to them, they kept pointing to other men until some poor sap took the bull by the horns and said "OK, I'm Chief Cohanzick." At least that's the way the legend is told by the remaining Lenni-Lenape in the area.

And that's why some anarchists claim hunter-gatherers like the Lenni Lenape were a shinning example of a leaderless society.

In the 1960s, so-called "Hippies" formed communes along the anarchist model without any leader and without the use of force to induce conformity. The diggers in San Francisco modeled themselves on the Diggers of 16th and 17th Century England to bring food and other social services to the waves of leaderless young people who converged on the city in 1967 and 1968.

Most of the communes of the 60s failed eventually, but some managed to survive until rather recently. The Farm in southeastern Tennessee was governed by consensus with communal ownership of all land (although Stephen Gaskin was undoubtedly the spiritual leader of the commune) until the 1990s. I've heard that the Farm is no longer a commune and that the breakup was rather dramatic because teh consensus to split was unanimous.

It gets complicated as there are many forms of anarchist thought. Some claimed communism was an example of self-rule while other anarchists thought the use of force to purge "alienation" among the masses was antithetical to true anarchy.

While anarchy is usually identified with the left, it is the Libertarians who most closely follow true anarchist thought in the US today. Central government is unnecessary because people will govern themselves in smaller units (states?) without imposing their will on anybody without consent.

It's an interesting concept with many favorable ideals, but in today's reality of micro-division of labor, it makes it hard for any one community of people to be completely independent of a larger group. Consensus gets messy the larger the group. And there is the problem of what to do with those so alienated due to centuries of rigid rule usually enforced with a heavy hand. Or those so used to doing as they are told that making hard decisions is virtually impossible.

autocthon Loc: Batcave

Come on, guys, I'm getting a headache here. Feel like I'm back in PolySci.
"anarchy" means "without government" in one of the simpler explanations, which I'm all for. So MY question is: can one man be considered a government if he leads by either force or strength of will? Of course we're talking small societies here than can exist without the need for underlings, lieutenants or minons. Also, can a social force that forces adherence to rules by peer pressure be considered a government. I think that the very definition of government is pretty flexible which would then force the definition of anarchy into a moebius strip to remain viable.
Anyway, how the hell did we get here? I don't think it has anything to do with the original topic. But, I welcome any discussion that leaves out name calling, curse words and vitriol. It is a relief.

Ve'hoe

And some people believe, it is wrong for you to lie about "BEING AWARDED A SILVER STAT IN VIETNAM"

But here is a quote from you, where you make that claim.

You have stated before:
"I was in the 1/9, Walking Dead (First Battalion 9th Marines)"

"I was wounded in the A Shau Valley in February 1969 where the 9th marines attacked, took every objective we were ordered to and left it for the NVA to re-occupy within weeks, if not days. I still have less than full function of my left hand and shrapnel in my left arm and body from where a Chinese potato masher grenade landed near me and my platoon leader and I attempted to throw it back. I also have a Silver Star for that act of of desperate survival instinct."

"Even Dennis knows how to make a point-he corrected me on what year Vietnam had the most KIAs, albeit with an insult thrown in for good measure. . I was only there for a little less than two months in 1969 so I guess it was a mistake to think it was as bad the entire 12. Thanks Dennis. "

I have reviewed ALL the Silver Star Citations for Vietnam,,, there are the only 7 describing action the likes of which you claim. Go back and choose from one of the 7, one HAS TO BE YOU.

Strange with that sort of heroism, that there is no record???

You know, someones sons, fathers, and brothers DIED in the action you stole, they deserve that valor, you just need to prove that you do.

Ve'hoe

I wouldn't put much stock in what Hungry fleabags says, he has also made claims of winning a silver star in Vietnam,,, he has been provided the citations of the only 7 men doing what he described who actually won the Silver star,,, and he refuses to pick which citation was his,,, we think he is a fake. He became a yellow journalist, which is why he is so long winded, but without honesty,,, I don't know what he expects us to think about what he says.

Silver stars are not just handed out,,, some recipients are PX Kelly, and General Krulak who became the commandants of the Marine Corps in time,, Ollie North won one as well, Fleabags wants you to believe he did too.

He might have, but it is highly unlikely, as I have provided him the means to prove it and he wont/cant.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

There are far more "heroes" than there are citations issued. I have counted more SEALS than were ever trained. I DETEST such fakery! In fact, I have sent one clown to prison for wearing medals he was not entitled to, it is illegal you know. I know for a fact that the REAL heroes, never made it home alive, and those that did come back, don't talk about it much. When I hear a boast - I know it's bullshit.

rodulfo-tardo

Probably flushed once a month, cannot upset the E.P.A., D.E.C., N.S.A., I.R.S., or most importantly what the Mufti says is Halal, or for that matter Husseyn-Obama, that Mullahs Fuehrer that hates America, but does take advantage of the corrupt Western habits, gay-sex, tobacco, and that Yankee Dollar, it was Josef Goebbels, who in 1933, said how stupid these Democratic Republics, and Parliaments are, they've made it so easy to overthrow the ruling class, these laws and conventions made the Third Reich possible; this quote appears in two books, "the Coming of the Third Reich and the Third Reich in Power" (Richard J. Evans) there are two others the "Hitler and Stalin" (Alan Bullock) what makes these works exceptional is the information comes from declassified records, kept in East German and the archives of the U.S.S.R.'S K.G.B.,G.R.U. and the STASI.
No need to be a rocket scientist, there is however the requirement to read and digest the information, without politically-correcting what would be an 'acceptable' version, for the slower thinking flush, or simply ignore the shit-storm.

rodulfo-tardo

Geopolitics, is the 'rules for anarchists' book, ideologues cannot come up with an original thought, they are however infecting 'Academia" another example of what intellectual illiteracy actually means, that of course depends on whether it is politically-correct or not.

Iggy Rat Loc: Lost in America

Sublime logic. Hat's off to you!

Iggy Rat Loc: Lost in America

Someone understands!!!!