Loki Loc: Georgia

"Americans started with 7,000 troops... and by the end 3,700 American troops were killed in action.
The British started with 5,000 troops... and by the end 1,960 British troops were killed in action. (Most the British troops were in Europe fighting the French)"
Your figures are incorrect. I don't know why that would surprise me. American KIA's in the War of 1812 amounted to 2260. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

Bear in mind that these KIA's were not all caused by the British. The various Indian allies of the British were responsible for quite a few.
These figures also include naval battles.
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"The U.S. did the same thing... In fact, that's where the the term "Shanghaiing" comes from as sailors in San Fransisco would often get drunk and pass out then wake up later on board a ship they never signed up for and bound for Shanghai"
Newsflash, genius, there WAS no San Francisco during the War of 1812, and the practice of Shanghaiing was not done by the US Navy, but by civilians. It did not begin until decades later. Grasp at straws much?
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"Also, the British burned down the White House in a capture the flag moment that as I said, forced the U.S. to agree to stop invading Canadian territory."
I suppose you can document this? I can understand your getting Jefferson confused with Madison. After all they're spelled so much alike.
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"The U.S. presence in WW1 was slight."

More than 4 million American troops served in the American Expeditionary Force. While they made no impact until late in 1917, they arrived at a time when both the British and French were exhausted and understrength. It is doubtful the British could have mounted another major offensive with any chance of success. American combat troops and supplies made all the difference at a critical time.
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"It wasn't until the Japanese attacked Perl Harbor that the U.S. joined but by that time, Germany was already on the run having already been served their first defeats at the hands of the British and the Russians."

The US Merchant Marine kept the British and the Russians supplied with desperately needed supplies. At a cost of 25% casualties. Any British forces take those kind of losses? But I see what you mean. You certainly taught the Nazis a lesson at Dunkirk.
The British did not have the industrial capability to defeat Germany without American help. The Russians did more to beat them than anyone else. We also provided them with badly needed supplies until they got their own manufacturing on track.

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"Considering what Germany was developing, it's a pretty safe bet that the British actually saved America."
Good point. When the British developed the Atomic Bomb and dropped it on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that pretty much saved America's bacon.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Loki gets annoyed when you substitute biased bullshit for historical fact. For instance, your overstatement of US casualties in the war, and you neglecting to mention the large number that were inflicted by Indians rather than British troops.
Your persistent claims that Britain "forced" the US to refrain from attacking Canada. Was this before or after we "forced" them to stop arming Indians to attack US settlements and "forced" them to stop their practice of pressing American sailors?
Your claim that US involvement in WWI was minimal and the mighty British could have won without 4 million American reinforcements and countless tons of supplies and material that the British didn't have and couldn't make.
Your apparent belief that the British and Russians could have beaten Germany without US logistical support. The British did not have the industrial capacity to beat the Germans and while the Russians did, they did not have it at first and we supplied them.
Loki objects to arrogant pseudo-intellectuals who present an error laden, one sided view of history.

Morgan

Very true straight, somehow they see criticism as an offense, unpatriotic rather than looking towards improving certain conditions and as you say not confronting bad practices. Personally, I find addressing our mistakes and correcting them to be more patriotic. I was giving Trump credit today for being able to take a step back and rectify the zero-tolerance rule, then I had to hear him speak and that ended that.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Since you are discussing me, mind if I add that I don't mind criticism based on fact instead of fantasy. The situation that currently obtains at the border is a result of a massive effort by pro wetback groups to find sacrificial lambs by convincing them that they can defeat America's already loose immigration laws by claiming asylum. No matter what you hear, children are NOT separated from parents at Ports-of-Entry unless there is a question about the parent's legal status or concern for the child. Illegals caught sneaking in are separated from their families just like US citizen criminals are separated from theirs. If you think people don't get put in jail for months for committing misdemeanors you are living in a dream world.
The facts are that thanks to the false information disseminated to prospective border crossers, in 2015 and 2016 there were more asylum claims EACH YEAR than in the previous 15 years combined. More than at any time in our history. The facts are that the people who claim asylum at Ports-of-Entry are informed that there chances of receiving asylum are not good, and that they will be separated and they are free to leave with their kids at any time.
The facts are that the Liberal outcry has resulted in an EO ending this practice so now the little darlings can enjoy life with their parents in an adult detention facility. Not nearly as nice or as safe as the juvenile facilities, but with their parents who hopefully can protect them.

Radiance3

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The 21 million for asylum? Not even 1% will qualify for asylum here. There are prescribed requirements who qualify for asylum. Not just anybody come into the front and demand they need asylum. Very few of these people qualified for asylum. Many of them are convicted drug dealers with tons of various drugs brought into our country, worth about $65 billion per years. They target kids of the rich people so that they could extort from them for life until the kids are dead. They target adults with money so that they could extort them for life. Once they become addicted, then the money flow to these drug dealers relentlessly.

Based on recent display of these illegals behavior, they threatened the president with assault, yell and shout filthy words against the president and his family. They displayed their criminal savage behavior. They must never allowed to park their feet into America.

These people are made up of drug dealers, terrorists, rapists, drug addicts, criminals and convicts. Are these the kinds of people you think allowed for asylum? Are you kidding me?

First and foremost, we have the law, we follow the law, and no one is above the law. The president must be respected and obeyed because he is following the rule of law under our constitution.

Criminal illegal aliens must pick up their kids if they could identify them among the millions of kids they dumped into our doorsteps hoping we babysit them. They must get their kids, and return home so they could unite together. Is that what's they are yelling about? Then get their kids, return home to UNITE!!

Morgan

Keep eating the distorted propaganda, Session's IS the one who actually implemented doing it.

Morgan

To be clear in my response, it wasn't about you but rather to an ideology he had brought up, and as he stated he was more accurately responding to. I don't see you as a person who would object to improvements.

With that said there are people who view others as unpatriotic to bring up our iniquities. As far asylum seekers due to what is happening in other South American countries and neighboring countries it's no wonder we have this exodus and mass migration of people trying to enter. It may be kinder to create a waiting period of say 5 years(as Canada) which includes a child born from non-citizens.

Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas

Look who's talking.

The virtual 'fat lady' who sings nothing but propaganda.

Your doppleganger sings harmony with you.

Mikeyavelli

No wonder Hillary wears pantsuits.
Didn't realize she was that obese.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Morgan, the situation in these countries they are fleeing has not changed much in years. The reason for this comparatively sudden deluge of asylum seekers is because of a campaign of misinformation being fed them by pro-wetback activists in an attempt to overwhelm our immigration system and create bad situations simply because of the numbers. When that many people descend in a short time on a system that was designed to only handle a fraction of the number, screwups happen. Bureaucrats move slowly in the best of situations. They're more like glaciers in less than ideal conditions.

Morgan

That's not exactly true, Venezuela has only recently found itself under a dictatorship, voted in by the way but overthrew the government. It can happen with an overreach and we are not invincible when being manipulated from within.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Chavez was elected 20 years ago. Anyway, While there has been an increase in Venezuelans seeking asylum status, (usually not granted since they are by and large "economic refugees) they are only a small percentage of the people showing up on the border. The vast majority are Mexican and Central American. Many Venezuelans have fled to Columbia and Brazil.
Thirty years ago Venezuela was a prosperous country. It was a favored stop for cruise ships, and cruising sailors stopped there when they needed to re-provision because of the variety and quality of the markets. Then they elected Chavez, and he was followed by Maduro. You are trying to say that Venezuela's troubles began with Maduro who assumed office in 2013. He just continued Chavez' ruinous policies. Chavez was a lot like Obama, in that his policies were disastrous, but most people like him anyway.
Once more, many of the Venezuelans who try for asylum are simply fleeing a ruined economy, and that is not sufficient grounds for refugee status under US law.

Mikeyavelli

Benaayzooayla just needs more money, like every other kommie country. I think that the Kommiecrats here should take their money and move to where they are needed most to support their political philosophies, Benaayzooayla.
Communism can really work if you use other people's money.

Loki Loc: Georgia

It's an expensive hobby, that's for sure.

straightUp Loc: California

So, I guess I never really looked at her as anything else but a first lady, where (for me anyway) appearance is only icing on the cake. So, I "googled" her and found some pictures from when she was just a girl...

http://www.donaldtrumpdiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/melania-trump-modeling-photography.jpg

OK, she *is* the prettiest first lady ever to "grace" the White House.

'Thing is Wolf... that *IS* just about all we get. She doesn't really communicate with the people... Michelle was out there being interviewed on national networks all over the place. That's what a First Lady should be doing. We know she doesn't speak English very well, but we're tolerant, right?

Just try.

It would be nice if her lame husband could maybe help her out a little, but we all know what a dick he is. And now we got this jacket thing... So how do we know if she's a callous b*tch or a pretty bimbo?