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Apr 3, 2014 09:58:05   #
rjoeholl
 
Here's some science for you, genius, a baby doesn't get "lung function" until it's born. Before that it gets all of it's oxygen from the mother.
skott wrote:
Medically speaking, an fetus gets a heartbeat long before they get lung function(multiple weeks). Why does a heartbeat mean so much? It is not even what we call life. Life is when you get oxygen to your brain. We do not live in the 1950's or 1920's, or 1700's. Why are you guys afraid of science? Does it take away your "freedom" to judge people????

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Apr 3, 2014 10:14:08   #
skott Loc: Bama
 
Secret Alchemist wrote:
That isn't an issue at all. A natural uncontrollable abortion can't (or at least shouldn't) be blamed on anyone. I'm only trying to clarify the scientific definition of the beginning of life.


Well in that case, all eggs and sperm are alive, before they meet up.
What you are really trying to do is justify putting the bible as the standard for our country that has freedom of religion.

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Apr 3, 2014 10:19:38   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Loki wrote:
I believe that with all the contraception available, abortion should be extremely rare.


Or to put it another way. Abortion is a very poor form of birth control.

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Apr 3, 2014 10:36:03   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Secret Alchemist wrote:
If there's one thing everyone should be able to agree on, it's the rights of unborn children. Apparently there are some very strong opinions that prevent some people from agreeing to make abortion illegal. I would really like to hear what those reasons are from the pro-choice advocates here.

Also, do you believe that abortion is murder?


Call it what ever you like but until there is some one willing to pick up the medical costs & help pay for the costs of that additional child you will still have abortions. Abortions that lead to Roe-Wade being passed.

Bottom line with out help for the woman that lacks the help to cope with the child she is carrying. The problem will never go away.

So I say that if you feel that abortion should be a crime You will drive abortions back under ground & you can go on feeling that you have done a good deed. Out of sight out of mind.

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Apr 3, 2014 10:56:51   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Tasine wrote:
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I believe that a heartbeat indicates a living human and to kill that heartbeat is murder, and to do it deliberately is premeditated murder. I believe that "partial birth" abortion is as totally gross and cruel as any heinous murder one can imagine. More so because the baby is totally defenseless, but it can feel the pain of being ripped apart. It takes monsters, people without souls, to commit these murders.

For the sake of getting votes, the people who write our laws have sold their souls and are complicit in the heinous murder of millions of Americans via the abortion on demand, when the simple answer is to teach women how to say "no" and to keep their pants on until they are ready to accept a possible pregnancy. If they cannot do that, they can practice birth control in ways that do not result in cruel murder.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ br I believe that a heartbeat i... (show quote)


There is little control that one can have over the urges of others. Urges that nature has imbedded in the human nature.

The best way is to raise children in a loving & caring family.
These children are loved & cared for & don't feel the need to act on their urges as strongly.

In this day and age family values are being distorted.
Leaving many to seek love in all the wrong ways & places.

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Apr 3, 2014 10:58:12   #
skott Loc: Bama
 
rjoeholl wrote:
Here's some science for you, genius, a baby doesn't get "lung function" until it's born. Before that it gets all of it's oxygen from the mother.


Thanks, doctor, If its born before week 22 it doesn't have it.

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Apr 3, 2014 10:58:43   #
skott Loc: Bama
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Or to put it another way. Abortion is a very poor form of birth control.


That I agree with.

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Apr 3, 2014 11:00:18   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
skott wrote:
You can live without a heartbeat. You just need oxygen to the brain. This is how you do heart transplants. You can live without a brain, this is how you become a republican.


I liked the way you got that little dig in on being a Republican.

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Apr 3, 2014 11:01:41   #
skott Loc: Bama
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I liked the way you got that little dig in on being a Republican.


Only after he tried to call me stupid.

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Apr 3, 2014 11:03:30   #
Secret Alchemist Loc: Carthage, TX
 
skott wrote:
Well in that case, all eggs and sperm are alive, before they meet up.
What you are really trying to do is justify putting the bible as the standard for our country that has freedom of religion.


Yes, the egg and sperm gametes are alive but neither one is human life life separately. I'm a science major and not part of any religion.

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Apr 3, 2014 11:05:04   #
skott Loc: Bama
 
Secret Alchemist wrote:
Yes, the egg and sperm gametes are alive but neither one is human life life separately. I'm a science major and not part of any religion.


Then why are you trying to find what I said to be wrong?

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Apr 3, 2014 11:10:34   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
skott wrote:
Then why are you trying to find what I said to be wrong?


In a small way I think he sort of agreed with you.

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Apr 3, 2014 11:36:23   #
Secret Alchemist Loc: Carthage, TX
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Call it what ever you like but until there is some one willing to pick up the medical costs & help pay for the costs of that additional child you will still have abortions. Abortions that lead to Roe-Wade being passed.

Bottom line with out help for the woman that lacks the help to cope with the child she is carrying. The problem will never go away.

So I say that if you feel that abortion should be a crime You will drive abortions back under ground & you can go on feeling that you have done a good deed. Out of sight out of mind.
Call it what ever you like but until there is some... (show quote)


By asking if you believe abortion is murder I meant to ask if you believe that the fetus or cells are alive. I didn't mean to categorize it as "unlawful killing, with malice aforethought" but as the taking of a life.

The only difference between killing a fetus and killing a baby is legal specification. I'm sure many people could solve some issues easily (for themselves) by killing someone but it is illegal in modern times. Sometimes you just have to draw a line and defend it.

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Apr 3, 2014 11:45:29   #
skott Loc: Bama
 
Secret Alchemist wrote:
By asking if you believe abortion is murder I meant to ask if you believe that the fetus or cells are alive. I didn't mean to categorize it as "unlawful killing, with malice aforethought" but as the taking of a life.

The only difference between killing a fetus and killing a baby is legal specification. I'm sure many people could solve some issues easily (for themselves) by killing someone but it is illegal in modern times. Sometimes you just have to draw a line and defend it.


I would love for us to be able to have no abortions. I don't think it is killing someone, just a potential someone. But, historically we have been unable to stop it, even when it was illegal. The same people that want it illegal also do not want us to teach kids sex education. go figure.

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Apr 3, 2014 12:20:31   #
Secret Alchemist Loc: Carthage, TX
 
skott wrote:
I would love for us to be able to have no abortions. I don't think it is killing someone, just a potential someone. But, historically we have been unable to stop it, even when it was illegal. The same people that want it illegal also do not want us to teach kids sex education. go figure.


I believe it's criminal to prevent sex education and birth control while demanding abortion be made illegal but also I understand everyone has their own beliefs to respect.

In the end it may be impractical to criminalize abortion. Clinics can be shut down, doctors can be imprisoned but there are so many unprofessional ways it can be done (most of them being extremely dangerous to the mother) you would pretty much have to require every fertile woman to have monthly examinations for signs of pregnancy.

I would like to think making something illegal would deter people from doing it but there's alot of pot smokers here in Texas where it's still illegal.

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