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Trump's Attacks on the Working Class: 1 - The Fiduciary Rule
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Apr 28, 2018 21:46:42   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
buffalo wrote:
The middle class working people did not need a income tax "cut" because they pay little to no income taxes.

Well, they sure complain a lot. Maybe you're overlooking the fact that what little they do pay is more than they can afford.

buffalo wrote:

THEY NEED AN INCREASE IN THEIR LOW WAGES!

That's not going to happen as long as Republicans continue their long-standing opposition to labor unions AND minimum wage increases. The only two things that have ever increase wages in the past.

buffalo wrote:

But remember they still pay federal taxes-payroll and Medicare=15.35% if their income (including what their employer pays), federal excise taxes, gasoline taxes...etc. When all federal, state, and local taxes are taken into account, the bottom fifth of households pays about 16 percent of their incomes in taxes, on average. The second-poorest fifth pays about 21 percent. The vast majority have NO money to consider investing. It takes everything and then some to just feed, cloth and house their families because of the paultry wages their greedy corporate employers pay. But, hey, they damn well be thankful they have a job, how ever sorry, right?
br But remember they still pay federal taxes-payr... (show quote)

Yeah, it's better to get $10/hr than $0, but it's a shame our current government (Trump) refuses to help the American working class deal with suppressed wages and the increases in the cost of living.

buffalo wrote:

Truimpy's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act is a scam to further enrich the wealthy and big corporations at worker expense.

"Widespread publicity about corporations sharing a big slice of their huge Trump tax cuts with their workers through bonuses and wage hikes is mostly hype, this Americans for Tax Fairness analysis reveals. Even though America’s biggest corporations are poised to reap hundreds of billions in tax cuts, only 18 corporations in the Fortune 100 have announced any sort of employee benefits tied to those cuts, as of today. Only 46 of the Fortune 500—just 9%—have announced any plans to share the tax-cut wealth."

http://americansfortaxfairness.org/analysis-major-corporations-getting-huge-trump-tax-cuts-not-generous-workers/
br Truimpy's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act is a scam to f... (show quote)


Yeah, it's sad that so many people can't see this.

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Apr 29, 2018 01:08:23   #
Carol Kelly
 
straightUp wrote:
So, while fans continue to celebrate the "successes" of the Trump administration, the rest of us are wondering how it is they can't see that a lot of Trump's efforts are designed to screw the American working class. I'm starting to suspect this has a lot to do with language. They understand the terms used in Trump's rhetoric like "criminals" and "missiles" because these are things that feature prominently in movies and TV, but terms like "net neutrality" and "fiduciary" bore them, so they ignore the associated stories.

So I am exploring approaches to bring the most serious threats to the American people out of the boring zone and into a context maybe more people will understand. here it goes...

Fact #1: Americans trying to save for their retirement are getting ripped off by financial advisers to the tune of $17 billion per year.

Fact #2: As a consumer protection measure, the U.S. Department of Labor proposed a fiduciary rule that requires financial advisers to act in the best interests of clients when it comes to overseeing retirement accounts.

Fact #3: There is fierce opposition to the rule, led by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. It's pretty obvious they represent the "right" for financial advisers to rip people off and get that $17 billion.

I have a lot to say about who is taking sides on this issue, but I don't want to loose focus so I'll just state that Obama supported he fiduciary rule and Trump opposes it.

Really, what more needs to be said?

Opponents of the rule are trying to use the argument that such a rule will limit consumer choice. This by now should be a familiar argument because it's a trick that politicians have noticed works pretty well with a population that is convinced that more choices are always better. As if Starbucks could improve their menu by adding battery acid and bleach to their options.

Yes, the the rule would reduce the choices because it would eliminate the choices that are designed to rip them off.

Now, why on earth would a president be so opposed to something that safeguards the interests of the American people?
So, while fans continue to celebrate the "suc... (show quote)


I can only tell you that “loose” rhymes with “noose”. You are writing about what we have to lose. I wish all you brilliant people who think you can run this country in a better way than Trump could at least get those two words straight. I am sick to death of all this nit picking. Everyone wanted a tax break. We got a tax break. The Democrats can’t stand it that a Republican did that for Americans. They believe in giving into illegals and let our old citizenry who worked to pay government salaries just go hungry. Stupid. You may be the most arrogant one of all.

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Apr 29, 2018 02:19:02   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
buffalo wrote:
What about those families of 4 of 50% at the bottom making $30-60 thousand/year?

The same formula. The less you earn the smaller you get.

I enjoyed my "crumbs" I don't know about others.

Semper Fi
God bless America and President Trump for draining the swamp.

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Apr 29, 2018 02:37:37   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
straightUp wrote:

All you would need to do is put your gun down for 5 minutes and consider the facts

Do you have a retirement account sailor?

If so, think about how important that money is to you and your loved ones. Don't you think it's good idea to protect it.


1- A Marine never puts his weapon down. It is taken from his cold dead hands.

2. I have retirement money, not any account. Don't trust banks and I ain't no sailor. I am an America loving Marine.

3. I am fully aware of how important my money is and why I have enough weapons and ammunition to protect it from them damn dirty swamp dwelling Demon-cats.

Want some? Come get some!

Semper Fi
God bless America and President Trump as he drains the swamp.

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Apr 29, 2018 10:49:59   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
I can only tell you that “loose” rhymes with “noose”. You are writing about what we have to lose. I wish all you brilliant people who think you can run this country in a better way than Trump could at least get those two words straight. I am sick to death of all this nit picking. Everyone wanted a tax break. We got a tax break. The Democrats can’t stand it that a Republican did that for Americans. They believe in giving into illegals and let our old citizenry who worked to pay government salaries just go hungry. Stupid. You may be the most arrogant one of all.
I can only tell you that “loose” rhymes with “noos... (show quote)

Carol, I'm making a very important point that affects everyone and you still aren't getting it. You folks are so hung up on defending Trump that you can't even simply look at the fiduciary rule and make your own judgment. This post has nothing to with taxes and I'm not writing about what we have to loose... I'm writing about something we need to gain (consumer protection) that Obama was offering to us and Trump is denying. Maybe it would be better if I just left the names out so you folks can understand the concept before getting all huffy about the people involved.

This is how incredibly simple it is...

Fiduciary Rule: Financial advisors operate in the best interest of their clients.

So why would Trump oppose that?

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Apr 29, 2018 11:08:08   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
old marine wrote:

1- A Marine never puts his weapon down. It is taken from his cold dead hands.

whatever.

old marine wrote:

2. I have retirement money, not any account. Don't trust banks and I ain't no sailor. I am an America loving Marine.

Well sailor, If all you can think about is yourself then you really don't love America as much as you pretend to. I'm talking about something that impacts every American trying to save for retirement and you're too busy thumping your chest to care. That's not a love for America, that's a love for yourself.

old marine wrote:

3. I am fully aware of how important my money is and why I have enough weapons and ammunition to protect it from them damn dirty swamp dwelling Demon-cats.

None of your guns are going to help you, small fry. Besides no one want's the $225.20 in your coffee can anyway. If you don't have any bank accounts like 90% of the American people do, then I suppose the fiduciary rule won't mean anything to you, especially if you don't care about anyone else.

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Apr 29, 2018 11:19:03   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
buffalo wrote:
What about those families of 4 of 50% at the bottom making $30-60 thousand/year?


All you would to do if you really wanted to know that answer, is check out the schedule of tax's, for the taxable year of 2018. I believe even a progressive should have that much intelligence to explore for themselves instead of taking the words of others. Try, it may enlighten you.

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Apr 29, 2018 12:46:24   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Louie27 wrote:
All you would to do if you really wanted to know that answer, is check out the schedule of tax's, for the taxable year of 2018. I believe even a progressive should have that much intelligence to explore for themselves instead of taking the words of others. Try, it may enlighten you.


My point was that they have a hard enough time feeding, clothing and housing their families to worry about investing in the rigged game of the stock market and letting unscrupulous brokers screw them.

I invested in land, gold and silver many years ago.

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Apr 29, 2018 16:11:08   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
[quote=straightUp]None of your guns are going to help you, small fry. Besides no one want's the $225.20 in your coffee can anyway. If you don't have any bank accounts like 90% of the American people do, then I suppose the fiduciary rule won't mean anything to you, especially if you don't care about anyone else.[/ft]
Sorry to rain on your parade but my money wouldn't fit in a coffee can...

Nor is it in the stock market or gold or silver. God ain't making any more of what I invested in and no crook can sneak In and steal it. Land me boy, good old American dirt with beautiful money growing talk.

Passed down from generation to generation for over two hundred years.

That's my coffee can of retirement.
😆



Semper Fi
God bless America and President Trump for continued swamp draining

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Apr 30, 2018 03:08:32   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
old marine wrote:
(quote=straightUp)None of your guns are going to help you, small fry. Besides no one want's the $225.20 in your coffee can anyway. If you don't have any bank accounts like 90% of the American people do, then I suppose the fiduciary rule won't mean anything to you, especially if you don't care about anyone else.(/ft)
Sorry to rain on your parade but my money wouldn't fit in a coffee can...

Nor is it in the stock market or gold or silver. God ain't making any more of what I invested in and no crook can sneak In and steal it. Land me boy, good old American dirt with beautiful money growing talk.

Passed down from generation to generation for over two hundred years.

That's my coffee can of retirement.
😆
(quote=straightUp)None of your guns are going to h... (show quote)

OK, so you're lucky enough to have land handed to you. Not everyone is that lucky. I had to work pretty dang hard to get the land I own, which is only .25 acres but enough for a house, so I couldn't make money from it unless I sold it.

My only advantage is my trade and my work ethic, neither of which are relevant after retirement and what I've managed to save and invest hasn't reached a value that could sustain my family without wages. That makes me part of a very large majority of Americans who didn't inherit land or money, that could use a little consumer protection as they try to invest their hard-earned money into their future.

Something like a fiduciary rule. ;)

Ya know, if you want share a federal government with the rest of America, you gotta have some respect for the rest of America.

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Apr 30, 2018 07:22:42   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
straightUp wrote:
OK, so you're lucky enough to have land handed to you. Not everyone is that lucky. I had to work pretty dang hard to get the land I own, which is only .25 acres but enough for a house, so I couldn't make money from it unless I sold it.

My only advantage is my trade and my work ethic, neither of which are relevant after retirement and what I've managed to save and invest hasn't reached a value that could sustain my family without wages. That makes me part of a very large majority of Americans who didn't inherit land or money, that could use a little consumer protection as they try to invest their hard-earned money into their future.

Something like a fiduciary rule. ;)

Ya know, if you want share a federal government with the rest of America, you gotta have some respect for the rest of America.
OK, so you're lucky enough to have land handed to ... (show quote)


Brother nothing is just handed to you, it was entrusted to me to preserve and protect not to use for personal gain. Just like Americs, it was left to the people to protect not to use for personal gain. That is hard work.

My ancestors came to America in 1802, worked hard, became American citizens, many fought for, bled and died for the privilege of being an American citizeens.

They were given nothing but an opportunity and freedom to work hard for what they accumulated and preserved. My ancestors accumulated what has been entrusted to me to protected and preserve and pass on to my decendants.

People seem to forget that America is a land of freedom and opportunities not a land of welfare and a free ride.

Americans have been fighting to protect and preserve the freedoms and rights of its citizens since the birth of our great country.

The greatest and strongest counntry ever in the world was the Roman empire but it did not fail from an invading army it failed from within by greedy crooked politicians. Today our precious America is faced by the same forces of evil and corruption the Demon-crat swamp dwellers.

We have a President with backbone that is fighting to preserve America and what it stands for. You may not like his style or ways but a fight for survival has no rules, it is fight or die.

Semper my American brother's and sister's
God bless America and President Trump for continued swamp draining

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Apr 30, 2018 11:01:44   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
buffalo wrote:
My point was that they have a hard enough time feeding, clothing and housing their families to worry about investing in the rigged game of the stock market and letting unscrupulous brokers screw them.

I invested in land, gold and silver many years ago.


I thought we were conversing about the tax brackets. I did not see anything about investing in the market. I know how hard it was to feed and cloth my family of five when I was young and just getting started. At first I paid very little in tax's until I became more adept at earning a living by working upward until I could provide my family with our needs and more. Just saying that those at the lower income level do not have to pay much in tax's if any, with the income stated.

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Apr 30, 2018 12:52:30   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Louie27 wrote:
I thought we were conversing about the tax brackets. I did not see anything about investing in the market. I know how hard it was to feed and cloth my family of five when I was young and just getting started. At first I paid very little in tax's until I became more adept at earning a living by working upward until I could provide my family with our needs and more. Just saying that those at the lower income level do not have to pay much in tax's if any, with the income stated.


So, why is trumpy and his sycophants making such a big deal about tax break for those that pay little to no income taxes? They did not need a tax break, they need higher incomes.

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Apr 30, 2018 19:31:24   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
buffalo wrote:
So, why is trumpy and his sycophants making such a big deal about tax break for those that pay little to no income taxes? They did not need a tax break, they need higher incomes.

Back in the early and mid 60's the Goverment spent billions of dollars in education and teaching job skills. I am referring to on hand job training.

A good friend of mine was a master machinist and could make anything out of metal. He was a MDTA instructor and taught students how to use a metal lathe, milling machine, and other various metal working machinery.

Mr. Willie has made gun parts for several weapons I was restoring. Once made a fly wheel, transmission gears and rear end heard for some cars I was restoring.

Anyway the program was great. It taught higher math, to calculate making gears, how to read and draw blue prints and other necessary skills of a machines.

There was only one draw back. Getting dropout student's ans/or students that couldn't afford college.

Most elegiable students were too busy shooting basket ball than to get a FREE education for a high paying job.

Don't blame the governments for not providing the skills to get a good high paying job.

Semper Fi brother's and sister's
God bless America and President Trump for trying to make AMERICA great again
.

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May 1, 2018 15:37:39   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
old marine wrote:
Back in the early and mid 60's the Goverment spent billions of dollars in education and teaching job skills. I am referring to on hand job training.

A good friend of mine was a master machinist and could make anything out of metal. He was a MDTA instructor and taught students how to use a metal lathe, milling machine, and other various metal working machinery.

Mr. Willie has made gun parts for several weapons I was restoring. Once made a fly wheel, transmission gears and rear end heard for some cars I was restoring.

Anyway the program was great. It taught higher math, to calculate making gears, how to read and draw blue prints and other necessary skills of a machines.

There was only one draw back. Getting dropout student's ans/or students that couldn't afford college.

Most elegiable students were too busy shooting basket ball than to get a FREE education for a high paying job.

Don't blame the governments for not providing the skills to get a good high paying job.

Semper Fi brother's and sister's
God bless America and President Trump for trying to make AMERICA great again
.
Back in the early and mid 60's the Goverment spent... (show quote)


You are so right. There were and are, many trades one could get into by becoming an apprentice. But those in the more technical field's had to have a high school diploma to request to be a apprentice. Just as now there were many that did not think an education was a needed quality. That is why we have so many wage earners that have no skills in any type of employment where one can make a decent wage.

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