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Those Who Support Trump Could Have A Whole Lot More Credibility For Not Being Blind...
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Apr 24, 2018 13:23:58   #
donald41 Loc: puyallup Wa
 
woodguru wrote:
...if they just called a spade a spade where his character is concerned.

The guy filled the media for years before he ran as president, and the news was not of the flattering type...

Trump University, you think he offered a great service? Do you think the stories about how he operated that gave credibility to fraud charges were fabricated by a deep state that was out to get him? He was a target for fraud allegations from the fact that he was not even a university and had no right to call his
school" such.

His casinos. following the story of his rapid escalation to bankruptcy, borrowing hundreds of millions that was stripped off while building accounts payable, is this the portrait of a competent businessman? Do you think the stories of his mob connections are also deep state fabrications by a mysterious entity that was out to get the great man even back then? Also when there were 200 violations of illegal involvement with known organized crime figures, how is it possible to not think he was in the organized crime relationship up to his eyeballs. The helicopters he used to go back and forth between Atlantic City and New York were owned by a mob boss.

Prior to his run for president, he and his sons made no bones about the fact that they were involved in a disproportionate amount of Russian backing and real estate sales. So how can supporters have any credibility if they can't at least say "so what?", as opposed to fake news, deep state is making this all up.

When you deny the things about Trump that were well covered in the media for at least a decade, and refuse to acknowledge that the guy is at the least "unsavory", you have no credibility for anything else you say as far as current events. The very worst of this is that the relentless rhetoric about ties with Russia and interference with our elections is also deep state fake news, is putting us at risk of cyber attacks that are not being dealt with.

Defend your president, but at least have the honor and decency to acknowledge what he is, it's a step toward not representing an entirely alternate universe where Trump is a decent and honorable man, that he is not.
...if they just called a spade a spade where his c... (show quote)


If he was ran as a demo, This facts would be a resamue enhancement.

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Apr 24, 2018 14:06:19   #
woodguru
 
pafret wrote:
Post links to your "well covered" information and also to the laws that were broken by doing business with mob guys. Trump was in construction, it is controlled by mob guys.


For really entertaining reads spend some time looking at the history of Trump's forays into casinos, what he paid for money losing casinos, how much he had to borrow, his skirmishes with the city, the gaming commission, the mobster he couldn't keep out of the public view in the casinos, the fines, the bankruptcies, who he burned in them.

This guy didn't just file bankruptcies, he brought them to a high degree of an art form.

Buy a money losing entity for pennies on the dollar...
borrow hundreds of millions of dollars...
Divert large amounts of borrowed money to other corporations and personal assets...
operate in a manner that far more accounts receivables for goods and services are racked up than is being paid for...
stripping off more cash instead of paying vendors...
holding banks hostage by threatening defaults if they don't loan a few hundred million more...
pressuring banks to do a resettlement restructuring that works with the default position forcing them to write down the loan balance...

And the history of his six bankruptcies and more defaults shows that this was a business model. He bought one casino, borrowed hundreds of millions to renovate it, and went through all this in a very short period of time, to short for it not to have been the intent from day one.

I'll stick to respecting billionaires that run successful corporations, dozens of them.

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Apr 24, 2018 14:08:15   #
woodguru
 
donald41 wrote:
If he was ran as a demo, This facts would be a resamue enhancement.


dems get rid of their candidates when the lie about a dik pic on the internet. They would not elect the founder of Trump University.

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Apr 24, 2018 15:05:43   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
woodguru wrote:
dems get rid of their candidates when the lie about a dik pic on the internet. They would not elect the founder of Trump University.


They elected someone far worse that we suffered with 8 years, then ran a (to be kind) corrupt candidate.
No complaints about Kennedy's, no complaints about Bill Clinton.
Now we have a booming economy, low unemployment.
Wages are going up.
Possible settlement with N. Korea nuclear program,
that no President in the past has accomplished.
So lets look forward, the past over and done with.

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Apr 24, 2018 15:17:58   #
woodguru
 
America 1 wrote:
They elected someone far worse that we suffered with 8 years, then ran a (to be kind) corrupt candidate.
No complaints about Kennedy's, no complaints about Bill Clinton.
Now we have a booming economy, low unemployment.
Wages are going up.
Possible settlement with N. Korea nuclear program,
that no President in the past has accomplished.
So lets look forward, the past over and done with.


The economy was in a mode that was posting regular stock market records, Trump did nothing that made anything better. He did post a budget that's hundreds of billions higher, and the changes that have been made will need a little time to be able to see where they leave is. It's a far less stable stock market that has been experiencing dramatic ups and downs, that is not the stability we saw in Obama's last year. Nothing has posted the stability we saw with Obama. The economy is not something well served by dramatic swings.

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