Another assault rifle massacre
Apr 26, 2018 08:58:50 #
oldroy wrote:
Is your 270 a bolt or maybe just like the AR 15 in how fast it will shoot? Is the round just a little larger than the AR 15? Ain't it something that you like a rifle with a bigger round? Why are those of the left lean so worried about AR 15 and have much larger shooters?
It is a bolt action..
The choice for the gun was, back in the day, the high muzzle velocity, flat trajectory and knock down power.
Bigger then the 225? yes it is, and to this day a much better choice and much better hunting rifle then an AR-15 or anything like that.
Apr 26, 2018 09:16:33 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
The AR15 IS NOT a military weapon. And, you cannot... (show quote)
Do you know anyone who say the ar-15 is a military weapon?? I do not.. It is however a military style rifle. intended to give the owner a buzz over being a warrior..
95% qualified? I would pick at that.. I am a firm holder of the 10% rule. I am sure you know that.. 10% are great, 10% are awful and the remaining 80% are the average.. But a mute point.
If we use your 5% should not have the gun, OK, put them all in that group.. I still want to find some way to stop or control them..
Machetes are nasty weapons indeed.. But I would still insist that one person with a machete would be preferable over one person with a gun..
As you may not know, Minnesota is an open carry state, and % wise we have more gun owners then Texas or Oklahoma.
I have only seen a few carry into restaurants but those were the exact poster guys for those who hate the permitted action..
the Swagger, the dont mess with me attitude. The obvious looks daring anyone to challenge the macho image they tried so hard to project.. They were fools on a mission to be bad dudes..
But back to my point, I am not trying to end the 2nd at all.. But I do want the end to all the shootings.
We are the only developed nation with this degree of the problem.. We should be able to agree on some resolution..
Apr 26, 2018 10:23:37 #
permafrost wrote:
Well, let me see.. The name game... It is the rig... (show quote)
It would help if the Usurper was legal!
Apr 26, 2018 10:32:05 #
Apr 26, 2018 10:34:16 #
Apr 26, 2018 14:35:52 #
Kevyn wrote:
Another crazed white nutter shot up a Waffle House with an AR-15 assault rifle. He was stopped by a patron who hit the assalient with a door and disarmed him grabbing the weapon and throwing it away over a counter. The gunman then ran away naked into the night and is still at large.
What does the mans color have to do with anything?
Apr 26, 2018 15:31:27 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
cbpat1 wrote:
What does the mans color have to do with anything?
Nothing. Kevyn's a racist.
Apr 26, 2018 18:57:40 #
Well, perm, I'm glad we agree on something. I do want you to know that I respect your opinions, although I quite often disagree with them, as you do with mine, which is why I love the First Amendment, when it is actually observed. Discussion, and even argument is a good thing, and actually enjoyable when done in a civil manner. Sometimes I even learn something new!
As far as the AR-15 as a "named" firearm, words are important and, although it is a bit scary looking to most liberals, it is just a tool, normally; some hammers look pretty nasty, but all they do is drive nails, normally, but neither can do anything unless they are in the guiding hands of a "user."
The problems we are having with the mass-shootings have nothing to do with guns, it's the person using the gun that is the problem, and that's where we need to start if we really, and truly, desire to "fix" the problem. I believe this "fix" should begin in the "home" with the "parents," paying very close attention to any "friends" and all "Preschools," and continuing right on up the ladder from K through 12 and beyond, preferably without relying on Big Pharma and the Drug Pushers (Documented or Undocumented Pharmacists) and their psychotic drugs to keep the children in line, or flying around the ceiling - let them be children (it's good practical experience), realizing that children are not always as quiet and peaceful as we might desire them to be!
Unfortunately, our public education system is now run by a Federal government that is very manipulative and controlling, has been "Progressive" for many decades, and has promoted staffing schools with a great many Communist teachers that teach Communism rather than something that is "constructive and helpful" to the USA, trying to slowly and patiently "Fundamentally Change" the USA over to their IDIOTology with Progressiveness and Political Correctness that is not compatible with our US Constitution! We can't undo all the damage that has been done over the last several decades in a year or two; it will take a couple of generations, so we had better get off our butts and start dunging out this cobbled up system before it becomes FUBAR! Communist teachings, being "mission oriented" like "Common Core," doesn't really care whether children need to be children nor what their desires might be, and their "programming" begins shortly after birth and continues until their death.
Even Organized Religion is basically manipulated and controlled by the Federal government by using Tax Incentives as a control mechanism to get people to live a prescribed way, within their prescribed boundaries, with certain "expectations" in life. Some Religions are so controlling that they are willing to kill any one that opposes them in order to achieve their idea of "peace!" 'Tis quite a mess we've gotten ourselves into! We need people other than "Constitutional Lawyers" and "Career Politicians" with no Term Limits, to interpret the Constitution in a more literal manner, rather than whatever they think might be OK for them, but not for you! A "Right to Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT of Happiness" doesn't mean your PURSUIT will ever guarantee your happiness, particularly with no effort on your part! Actually, some people are just born unhappy and just never get over it, but if they're not happy, they don't want you to be happy either!
Although mass-shootings or bombings are horrific, insane, and totally unnecessary, statistically the overall number is quite small percentage wise, not that that makes much difference to those families whose ox is being gored. But, there are bigger problems in the USA than "guns," and very little reason to punish ALL legal gun owners for the terrorist actions of a few bad actors, ignoring and usurping the Constitution in the process; but it does illustrate the fact that one should never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups, be they right or wrong. The only real reason I can see for total disarmament of the country is to ensure that during the coming coup, "We the People" won't have any means to protect ourselves, and several millions of innocent people can be eliminated from the path of the oncoming armies, who damned sure WILL be armed! History may be about to repeat itself, as it has before.
The MSM continually flushes their agitprop down their liberal toilet into nearly every living room TV in the USA, and the sheeple, in general, are too ignorant to know the difference between an AR-15 and a Machine Gun so everything becomes an "Assault Weapon" when it really isn't so! Of course they all vote Democrat for the lavish benefits they get from them; voting for a living is a far cry from working for a living! Poor Democrats have been voting Democratic for many decades, and they're still poor! Go figure!
The Second Amendment was not written to appease hunters or target shooters, but to protect the LEGAL citizens of the USA from overreach by a government gone rogue and trying to destroy the Constitutionally limited Republic left to us by the Founders. It will be up to ALL of us to protect the country when SHTF, and we can't get'r done if we have no weapons to defend the country from an errant coup that will surely be armed to the teeth; that's why we fight to keep the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights, and our firearms! The Second Amendment also protects the First Amendment, and we probably wouldn't be writing these messages if that were not so.
THEN you throw up a poster stating that "TRUE" Patriotic Republicans NEVER want a President to fail, and wish these Republicans had had that attitude about Obama. NEVER and ALWAYS cover a long time and a lot of things, so it wasn't too appropriate here. It is TRUE that most Republicans (I'm not a Republican nor a Democrat) really don't want a duly elected President to fail. I have seen Presidents that I disagreed greatly with, but I have never wished them to fail, even though some of them should have failed and some did, but while they were in office I've tried to support them! Here is where I disagree heartily with the current Progressive Democrats and their RINOs, who cannot seem to buckle down to business and support President Trump, even though they disagree with him; instead they let their dislikes turn into a politically driven personal hatred and would rather see the USA fail than support anything their President tries to accomplish, even if they think he was right! That is a real shame! One should support the country where one lives, or one should live in the country they support! That concept isn't very complex!
However, when you throw Obama into the mix it compares apples to oranges.
Obama, an inexperienced unknown, pot smoking, mulatto, sired by a Kenyan citizen going to school in Hawaii as a foreign student, and dammed by a white female US citizen with Communist leanings, born in Kenya according to many accounts, using the stolen Social Security Number of a dead person from Connecticut (a state Obama never lived in) who died in Hawaii, then going to school in the USA without records and apparently without many cohorts who could actually remember him, apparently attending as a foreign student, taking trips through the Communist Middle East with no visa problems where US citizens weren't permitted to travel, having been raised and trained by card carrying Communist Marxists and Muslim extremists, residing in the USA as an illegal alien due to having no legal documentation, being financed by the Communist Party Elites and elected by their purchased votes, and stating during his campaign that he was going to "Fundamentally Change the USA," and then attempting to destroy our country with his Socialist/Marxist/Muslim agenda, was not what I would call a "TRUE" President. When one speaks of "Fundamentally Changing" something, it is most generally interpreted as meaning "at the very core," which in the case of the USA, is the Constitution! Even more insane was that he actually got elected to a second term! Apples to Oranges! Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups!
I don't know whether President Trump will turn out OK or not, but I hope he does, and although I question some of the things he does, I intend to support him to the best of my ability and give him a fair chance to do his duty! Hopefully, he will get rid of the remaining Obama holdovers in the White House, finish draining the swamp, and get this country back on track and rolling again. I intend to live up to the Oath of Allegiance to the United States OF America that I took when I entered the Military many decades ago. Have a great day!
As far as the AR-15 as a "named" firearm, words are important and, although it is a bit scary looking to most liberals, it is just a tool, normally; some hammers look pretty nasty, but all they do is drive nails, normally, but neither can do anything unless they are in the guiding hands of a "user."
The problems we are having with the mass-shootings have nothing to do with guns, it's the person using the gun that is the problem, and that's where we need to start if we really, and truly, desire to "fix" the problem. I believe this "fix" should begin in the "home" with the "parents," paying very close attention to any "friends" and all "Preschools," and continuing right on up the ladder from K through 12 and beyond, preferably without relying on Big Pharma and the Drug Pushers (Documented or Undocumented Pharmacists) and their psychotic drugs to keep the children in line, or flying around the ceiling - let them be children (it's good practical experience), realizing that children are not always as quiet and peaceful as we might desire them to be!
Unfortunately, our public education system is now run by a Federal government that is very manipulative and controlling, has been "Progressive" for many decades, and has promoted staffing schools with a great many Communist teachers that teach Communism rather than something that is "constructive and helpful" to the USA, trying to slowly and patiently "Fundamentally Change" the USA over to their IDIOTology with Progressiveness and Political Correctness that is not compatible with our US Constitution! We can't undo all the damage that has been done over the last several decades in a year or two; it will take a couple of generations, so we had better get off our butts and start dunging out this cobbled up system before it becomes FUBAR! Communist teachings, being "mission oriented" like "Common Core," doesn't really care whether children need to be children nor what their desires might be, and their "programming" begins shortly after birth and continues until their death.
Even Organized Religion is basically manipulated and controlled by the Federal government by using Tax Incentives as a control mechanism to get people to live a prescribed way, within their prescribed boundaries, with certain "expectations" in life. Some Religions are so controlling that they are willing to kill any one that opposes them in order to achieve their idea of "peace!" 'Tis quite a mess we've gotten ourselves into! We need people other than "Constitutional Lawyers" and "Career Politicians" with no Term Limits, to interpret the Constitution in a more literal manner, rather than whatever they think might be OK for them, but not for you! A "Right to Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT of Happiness" doesn't mean your PURSUIT will ever guarantee your happiness, particularly with no effort on your part! Actually, some people are just born unhappy and just never get over it, but if they're not happy, they don't want you to be happy either!
Although mass-shootings or bombings are horrific, insane, and totally unnecessary, statistically the overall number is quite small percentage wise, not that that makes much difference to those families whose ox is being gored. But, there are bigger problems in the USA than "guns," and very little reason to punish ALL legal gun owners for the terrorist actions of a few bad actors, ignoring and usurping the Constitution in the process; but it does illustrate the fact that one should never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups, be they right or wrong. The only real reason I can see for total disarmament of the country is to ensure that during the coming coup, "We the People" won't have any means to protect ourselves, and several millions of innocent people can be eliminated from the path of the oncoming armies, who damned sure WILL be armed! History may be about to repeat itself, as it has before.
The MSM continually flushes their agitprop down their liberal toilet into nearly every living room TV in the USA, and the sheeple, in general, are too ignorant to know the difference between an AR-15 and a Machine Gun so everything becomes an "Assault Weapon" when it really isn't so! Of course they all vote Democrat for the lavish benefits they get from them; voting for a living is a far cry from working for a living! Poor Democrats have been voting Democratic for many decades, and they're still poor! Go figure!
The Second Amendment was not written to appease hunters or target shooters, but to protect the LEGAL citizens of the USA from overreach by a government gone rogue and trying to destroy the Constitutionally limited Republic left to us by the Founders. It will be up to ALL of us to protect the country when SHTF, and we can't get'r done if we have no weapons to defend the country from an errant coup that will surely be armed to the teeth; that's why we fight to keep the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights, and our firearms! The Second Amendment also protects the First Amendment, and we probably wouldn't be writing these messages if that were not so.
THEN you throw up a poster stating that "TRUE" Patriotic Republicans NEVER want a President to fail, and wish these Republicans had had that attitude about Obama. NEVER and ALWAYS cover a long time and a lot of things, so it wasn't too appropriate here. It is TRUE that most Republicans (I'm not a Republican nor a Democrat) really don't want a duly elected President to fail. I have seen Presidents that I disagreed greatly with, but I have never wished them to fail, even though some of them should have failed and some did, but while they were in office I've tried to support them! Here is where I disagree heartily with the current Progressive Democrats and their RINOs, who cannot seem to buckle down to business and support President Trump, even though they disagree with him; instead they let their dislikes turn into a politically driven personal hatred and would rather see the USA fail than support anything their President tries to accomplish, even if they think he was right! That is a real shame! One should support the country where one lives, or one should live in the country they support! That concept isn't very complex!
However, when you throw Obama into the mix it compares apples to oranges.
Obama, an inexperienced unknown, pot smoking, mulatto, sired by a Kenyan citizen going to school in Hawaii as a foreign student, and dammed by a white female US citizen with Communist leanings, born in Kenya according to many accounts, using the stolen Social Security Number of a dead person from Connecticut (a state Obama never lived in) who died in Hawaii, then going to school in the USA without records and apparently without many cohorts who could actually remember him, apparently attending as a foreign student, taking trips through the Communist Middle East with no visa problems where US citizens weren't permitted to travel, having been raised and trained by card carrying Communist Marxists and Muslim extremists, residing in the USA as an illegal alien due to having no legal documentation, being financed by the Communist Party Elites and elected by their purchased votes, and stating during his campaign that he was going to "Fundamentally Change the USA," and then attempting to destroy our country with his Socialist/Marxist/Muslim agenda, was not what I would call a "TRUE" President. When one speaks of "Fundamentally Changing" something, it is most generally interpreted as meaning "at the very core," which in the case of the USA, is the Constitution! Even more insane was that he actually got elected to a second term! Apples to Oranges! Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups!
I don't know whether President Trump will turn out OK or not, but I hope he does, and although I question some of the things he does, I intend to support him to the best of my ability and give him a fair chance to do his duty! Hopefully, he will get rid of the remaining Obama holdovers in the White House, finish draining the swamp, and get this country back on track and rolling again. I intend to live up to the Oath of Allegiance to the United States OF America that I took when I entered the Military many decades ago. Have a great day!
permafrost wrote:
Well, let me see.. The name game... It is the rig... (show quote)
Apr 27, 2018 09:31:38 #
Abel wrote:
Well, perm, I'm glad we agree on something. I do w... (show quote)
Good morning Abel,
Nice reply... Yes, we have room to disagree.. But I do like that you state your position so we know just what you view as important..
You must know my stance on the gun issue. I do not want confiscation or removal of the 2nd.. I have guns and intend to keep them.
But I do believe we can find some regulation which will stop of limit the killings..
Education is a local issue. If people do not like what or how the students are taught, attend the school board meetings and insist on changes. it works..
You are right that no one should use the terms "never" and "always" to lump a group or event into one.. That always seems to backfire on me and i never get my way...LOL
I do not agree with anything in your paragraph about Obama.. But I would burn up pages of space to deal with that now..
I think part of your declaration to support the President has merit..
But I think the roll of congress should be more then being yes men to who ever holds that office.
Congress, as well as the Senate, should work for the voters, of their home state and of the nation. when the President champions anything that is not for the welfare of the voters and the Nation,
they should oppose that policy.. the idea is they work for us, not a specific group or man..
As for my leaning... I fully expect to vote Dem on the entire ballot.. However, In Minnesota senate race, a very interesting independent has come forward. Lot of ads, seems to have real backing.
So I will look at him carefully, he has not said much yet about policy, only his own background..
The replacement for Franken has not had time to do much and I knew nothing about her state level position.. Sally someone or other..
With two women running for Senate seats, some feel that is one women to many.. I do not agree, Amy Klobacher is a shoo in, the new gal yet to determine, but I would easily vote for both..
Have a nice day..
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