bahmer

I want to see the leftists make a Muslim baker bake and decorate a cake for a same sex wedding and see how that goes over. Also don't force a Christian baker who politely refuses and even gives that couple some suggestions of other bakers who will gladly bake them a cake. Go to the Muslims as well don't single out one religion and persecute them. It's either all or noting in my opinion.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Yup! It's all about SELF! Talk about pride and hubris. Sounds like your mentor...

‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ Isaiah 14:14

Singularity

You asserted the claim that when someone (such as PeterS) says he believes in something (the universe) that the something (universe) becomes a god.

Therefore, my statement regarding believing in myself makes me a god. YOU ASSERTED THAT FORMULA, not me.

Now worship me, or I shall smite thine ass.

Or can we admit your concept is stupid, doesn't work even for your argument, and stop beating this dead horse?

Singularity

https://religionnews.com/2017/12/06/a-muslim-perspective-on-the-masterpiece-cakeshop-case/

It sez....
"While there are Muslims who, like some Christians, view their faith as having a clear and restricting view of sexual behavior and identity, Islam does not permit one to discriminate in providing services to individuals because they believe or behave in a way counter to one’s understanding of Islamic teachings. Muslim professionals, for example, cannot and would not even consider denying service to a person because he or she drinks alcohol, eats pork, commits adultery or has premarital sex.

American Muslims understand that in Islam, the government’s role is not to impose certain religious practices and beliefs on citizens, nor to choose which practices fall within religious freedom. Good governance in Islam establishes and protects equality under the law and can never determine a “right” religion versus “wrong” religion. Current events provide plenty of examples as to why government imposition of a particular religious view does grievous harm to a society. And there is no shortage of criticism by American Muslims of violations of human rights in the Muslim world under the guise of religious purity.

Impositions of religious views are considered aberrations of the Islamic belief in God’s benevolence and the divine dignity inherent in every human being.

American Muslims understand that religious liberty should be interpreted in ways that are equality-enhancing, not equality-denying, and that in order for America’s values of freedom and equality to prevail, our religious freedoms cannot come at the cost of another’s civil liberty.

While the court seems to be divided on this case (with Justice Anthony M. Kennedy likely to cast the deciding vote), the perspective for American Muslims should be clear: The Masterpiece Cakeshop plaintiffs have twisted the meaning of religious freedom. They have attacked human dignity. Both in God’s world and in the United States, a person’s identity cannot be a justification for harassment, harm or discrimination.

(Ilhan Cagri is the senior policy fellow for religious freedom at the Muslim Public Affairs Council. The views expressed in this opinion piece do not necessarily reflect those of Religion News Service.)"

Singularity

The law applies equally to all bakers who own private businesses, regardless of their religious quirks.

Again, the god of the bible instructs Christians to withdraw and become separate from secular relationships (unevenly yoked) that threaten their religious duties.

So there is the god ordained solution. If they reject their religious duty in that regard, it shows they don't hold their religious tenets all that deeply!

God says, "Bake the cake or close up shop."

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

So you're going to smite me, huh? I thought you showed lovingkindness and were moral - fat chance! Your whole post is stupid and inane!

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Will you be so kind as to provide book, chapter and verse where God says, "Bake the cake or close up shop?"

Singularity

You are too literal. But the interpretation is clear and I've already cited chapter and verse 2 or 3 times. You are just too stubborn to admit the truth that the bible tells you to do something you don't agree with.

Get out from among them,
be separate,
touch not,
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers

You explained it doesn't apply globally, but then neglected to admit that this type of situation with the bakers is precisely the context intended. You act as if plain English words mean something different when read by your god annointed eyes? Bullshit.

Sometimes smiting is the kindest of all possible actions. But never to be entered in to lightly. My threat was conditional. Your consequence according to your choice is not my fault, according to your previous logic, since you believe you possess free will.

Singularity

Your choice to dispense with the stupid concept you introduced and used to turn me into a god, (thus postponing any spiteful activity on my part) is wise. As a loving, kind and moral human, I applaud your choice.

As a loving, moral, kind but vengeful ex-god, I'm kinda bummed.

PeterS

Well, Eric probably created life too so according to MW not only does Eric eat gods but he is one too. That's quite a trick if you ask me I just hope he doesn't eat himself...

PeterS

Nicely done. I do think the concept of secularism will send shutters down their spines but if not for secularism how could our constitution insure their religious freedom?

PeterS

Gosh, even I understood that one MW. God instructed Christians to separate yourselves from secular contact. That the baker chose not to indicated that he didn't hold gods commandments dearly--else he would have done as his god commanded and separated himself from the secular population.

That would be game set match in favor of Singularity...

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

As usual, you do not know how to interpret the Bible and take things out of context because you do not have the discernment of the Holy Spirit. First let’s review the passage:

2 Corinthians 6:14-16 (NASB)
14 Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?
15 Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?
16 Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, “I will dwell in them and walk among them; And I will be their God, and they shall be My people.”

Time for a little “learnin’” Singularity…

This section of 2 Corinthians is one of the key passages in all the word of God on the subject of separation or not being yoked with an unbeliever.

Mention of not being bound together or the unequal yoke suggests Deuteronomy 22:10 : "You shall not plow with an ox and a donkey together." The ox was a clean animal and the donkey unclean, and their step and pull are unequal. By way of contrast, when believers are yoked with the Lord Jesus, they find that His yoke is easy and His burden is light (Matthew 11:29-30 ~ “Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light”).

It certainly refers to the marriage relationship. A Christian should not marry an unsaved person. However, in cases where a believer is already married to an unbeliever, this passage does not justify separation or divorce. God's will in such a case is that the marriage relationship should be maintained with a view to the eventual salvation of the unsaved member.

In addition to this, it refers to business. A Christian should not go into partnership with one who does not know the Lord. A Christian should maintain contact with the unsaved in an effort to win them to Christ, but he should never engage in their sinful pleasures or in any of their activities in such a way as to lead them to think he is no different than they (like baking a cake).

Finally, Paul did not say that Christians should have no contacts whatever with unbelievers. He argued the absurdity of such a position (1 Corinthians 5:9-10 ~ I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world).

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Your reading comprehension REALLY sucks!

Singularity

I shall give the non existent god and its faithful followers all the glory, for a rare, internally consistant concept. My German ancestors, the Anabaptists, Hutterites, Amish, Mennonites had this figured out ages ago.