debeda

Love the last paragraph Son

straightUp Loc: California

I don't know what that means.


Seriously? You think Putin would sit there, look me in the eye and say, "Daa, Trump is kicking my ass". LOL.

...And what are these "wars" you're yammering about? Trade wars? Like I already said, we have yet to see any Trump trade deals actually implemented. His impact on trade has been limited to federal mandates like tarifs. Military wars? LOL... Trump can't even stick to a plan when his Secretary of State is carrying out a mission. He's more a liability than a commander. There's a good chance his recklessness will get good Americans killed for no good reason, but I'm sure if that happen's he'll be sure to ask the networks to thank him for boosting their ratings.

straightUp Loc: California

I see... so, it takes a lot of training to educate Permafrost, eh?


No, it's been obvious since the 80's.



Yeah, I bet you have... just how deep do cesspools go anyway? ;)


What makes you think I don't understand any of it? You're just saying the same thing I already said. Witless... we KNOW how capitalism works... the reason I said you were wrong is that America was WAS able to produce it's own oil... you said otherwise and that's where I think you were wrong. Just because domestic oil is a less attractive investment in a free global market doesn't mean it can't happen. If domestic oil was nationalized, it probably would have happened.


The price didn't go down, they went up. Maybe you don't understand how price control works... in a nutshell, centralized price controls keep prices lower than market value. BTW, these price controls didn't originate with Carter, they originated with Nixon. So give credit where it's due ;) - in any case, when Reagan deregulated, the prices were allowed to go UP and THAT attracts investment into more production. So yeah, pretty amazing. But the direct result of deregulation was that the prices went up, not down.

Prices did eventually go down, but that was sometime afterward and although the increase in domestic output did factor in, much of that drop was a result of Carter's long term strategies, like investing in research that resulted in increased MPG ratings for cars during the Reagan era.


Yeah, being confused about who allowed the price to rise is really screwing up your position on this. So, when you realize it was Reagan, not Carter that allowed the price to soar will you totally change the bit about the poor working class bearing the brunt of the pain? 'Cause ya know... that wouldn't make the GOP look so good.



No, the drop in oil prices proved he was right as they were directly related to his conservation policies. You're trying to give credit to a play on domestic regulation on price control. That means the change is limited to the variance between the previously controlled price and the global market value... It's a narrow margin compared to the decreased demand over several years via improvements in energy efficiency and conservation.


No, it was his job to manage the next 40 years. It's the job of every president to safeguard the future for our children. I'm actually flabbergasted that you would even make such a shallow, idiotic statement. In fact, if Reagan didn't make it a mission to fart on every one of Cartgy polices we would much further long in alternate energy today. We would be leading the world in clean energy, not trailing it. We may have even avoided idiot wars like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mikeyavelli

I'll furnish the part about the audience on their phones.
Yer boring.

son of witless

" I see... so, it takes a lot of training to educate Permafrost, eh? "

You have no idea.

" No, it's been obvious since the 80's. "

Not obvious to you guys, if your posts are any guide.


" I have dived deeper than anyone else so far. ( I am glad you are convinced ).


Yeah, I bet you have... just how deep do cesspools go anyway? ;) "

I am just like Joe Friday. I deal in facts not crap.

" What makes you think I don't understand any of it? You're just saying the same thing I already said. Witless... we KNOW how capitalism works... the reason I said you were wrong is that America was WAS able to produce it's own oil... you said otherwise and that's where I think you were wrong. Just because domestic oil is a less attractive investment in a free global market doesn't mean it can't happen. If domestic oil was nationalized, it probably would have happened. "

You said we could produce 100 % of our own oil when that obviously was false. Potential is not fact. Production all over the world finally caught up with demand in the late 80s. Like saying if oil was nationalized. Do you mean like in Venezuela ?

" Prices did eventually go down, but that was sometime afterward and although the increase in domestic output did factor in, much of that drop was a result of Carter's long term strategies, like investing in research that resulted in increased MPG ratings for cars during the Reagan era. "

Oil got so cheap that beginning in the late 80s there was a decade where oil companies had to lay off drilling crews. That had very little to do with Carter. It was all supply supply supple.

" No, it was his job to manage the next 40 years. It's the job of every president to safeguard the future for our children. I'm actually flabbergasted that you would even make such a shallow, idiotic statement. "

If you think you can tell me how the next 40 years will go, I will tell you that you are full of Obama. Carter needed to get America through the late 70s intact. He pretty much failed. If we fail to get through the next 5 years, 40 years from now is irrelevant.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Son,

Gosh, sorry I was gone all day yesterday, those half hour errands can extend all day.. but Streaght up, did a better job of clearing this up then I could have.. great reply by him.. as always..



Seems your "facts" belong in the talks that come from the white house.. All BS..

https://www.ft.com/content/7da16504-06af-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

Shale powers US oil output to heights of 1970
Surge to flows of 10m b/d a day means shake-up for global crude market



Ed Crooks in New York JANUARY 31, 2018



More information can be found at https://www.ft.com/tour.
https://www.ft.com/content/7da16504-06af-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

US oil production has returned to its record high point, 47 years after the previous peak during the final days of the last Texas oil boom, as the shale revolution that was temporarily set back by low crude prices has reignited.

The government’s Energy Information Administration estimated on Wednesday that US output was running at just under 10.04m barrels per day last November, fractionally below the previous record set in November 1970.

ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps

Alas, "straightup." Why in the world would I waste my time trying to have an in-depth and meaningful debate with a arrogant buffoon like you?

Consider:
Arrogant people like you, tend to see themselves not just as able, but as perfect. They think they are superior to everyone else, everybody should like them, and they deserve special treatment, all the time. It’s an exaggerated mindset, which leads to exaggerated social behavior.

Behind this self-image of perfection, deep down, arrogant people are often quite insecure. Many lack self-esteem or have an inferiority complex. So acting as if they’re perfect and deserve special treatment is just an attempt to get attention and social validation, in order to compensate for their feelings of inadequacy.

We see and read the words of like-minded twits here - everyday.

Therefore:

I would suggest you unplug your keyboard this very moment. That way; anyone yet to read your arrogant diatribes, will be denied the opportunity to laugh aloud at you.



Poor thing.

bahmer

Amen and Amen

son of witless

" Gosh, sorry I was gone all day yesterday, those half hour errands can extend all day.. but Streaght up, did a better job of clearing this up then I could have.. great reply by him.. as always.."

Yea, he did okay. He wasn't as good as me, but considering he had to defend your position, he did just fine.

" https://www.ft.com/content/7da16504-06af-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

Shale powers US oil output to heights of 1970
Surge to flows of 10m b/d a day means shake-up for global crude market "

Your link wanted me to sign up for a subscription before I could read the content, which I declined.

Shale did not become a major factor until the late 90s/early 2000s. As much as I am pro shale/pro fracking, it cannot be used to explain the late 80s oil glut. Conventional and offshore drilling in the 80s all over the world is the cause. And that my friend was due to good old fashioned capitalism. Allowing the money to flow to the evil oil companies allowed them to use that capital to increase supplies. Unfortunately oil booms and busts tend to take decades to play out. By the late 90s the oil glut was gone and it took years to once again ramp up production, including fracking shale.

kankune Loc: Iowa

Wow...you do go on and on and on and on and on and on...........

kankune Loc: Iowa

Perm..how can you put something like that on here?. Benghazi was about our men getting attacked and killed and no back up in sight because the drunken SOS was probably drunk and passed out. Even if she wasn't, she could of cared less Same with the pos Obama.Remember....."what difference does it make now"? Tell that to the wives and children that lost their husbands and the children that lost their fathers? Show me the damn collusion between Trump and the Russians and I'll shut my mouth..There is no way you can compare this dog and pony show to Benghazi.

kankune Loc: Iowa

ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps

And then Ex, President Carter was remembered fondly:

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Kan,


Benghazi was a cluster****, but not a plot.. the investigations found nothing was done wrong. Tragic, yes.. so were the other incidents over the years..

"what difference does it make" This comment is presented out of context, it was not about the dead Americans, it was about the reason for the riot/attack.

A video? What a dumb thing to say.. Organized? probably.. But not about the deaths..


trump?... noose tightened another notch with yesterdays leaks.. He will be gone, or naturalized..

But, in the real world, wonderful day and weekend coming, time to simply enjoy and having a good time..

kankune Loc: Iowa

Once again Perm, I have to disagree. They never found anything to be wrong because it was investigated by the Obama and Clinton regime. And "what difference does it make now" wasn't taken out of context. I saw her say it on TV.
Anyway, you are right about one thing. The blizzard is over and it's a beautiful day. Time to enjoy some sunshine and warmer weather even if we are still surrounded by snow. lol. Have a.good one Perm. 😁😁