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Catholic Archbishop Says Pedophilia Is ‘Spiritual Encounter With God’
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Mar 16, 2018 11:53:41   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Kevyn wrote:
Thanks for making my point by defending a pedophile.


He wasn't defending you.

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Mar 16, 2018 16:10:09   #
phenry
 
archie bunker wrote:
He wasn't defending you.


: :LOL

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Mar 16, 2018 16:47:41   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
vernon wrote:
Being Catholic I must disagree with Heart.What he is saying is WRONG WRONG WRONG.


vernon,I hope they find hart shot in the confessional. Best place for pedophiles to pass.

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Mar 16, 2018 20:07:12   #
SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now
 
lindajoy wrote:
Lolololopl, you made me laugh with this one!!!

Thank You~~~


You are most welcome!!!

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Mar 17, 2018 06:32:42   #
Radiance3
 
mwdegutis wrote:
This is downright sick...

Jews News ~ March 08, 2018
One of the highest-ranking officials in the Catholic Church says sexually abused children can experience “a spiritual encounter with God through the priest” while being molested.

Australia’s most powerful clergy, Archbishop of Melbourne Denis Hart, says the Catholic practice of confession is satisfactory for dealing with pedophilia in the church as it helps priests absolve “their own guilt” after sexually abusing children.

Asked whether he was prepared to be jailed for failing to report child sex abuse by Catholic pedophile priests, Archbishop Hart confirmed he was willing to serve prison time. He also claimed the right to cover for pedophiles in the church is an “absolutely sacrosanct communication of a higher order.”

He made the shocking statement in response to the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse which stated there should be “no excuse, protection nor privilege” for Catholic clergy who failed to alert police of abuse within the church.

But Archbishop Hart disagreed and insisted that sexual abuse was “a spiritual encounter with God through the priest” and was “of a higher order” than criminal law.

A new report by the commission proposed 85 sweeping changes to the criminal justice system and recommended that priests face criminal charges for failing to report serious crimes such as sexual abuse to the police.

As the law currently stands, clergy are not legally obliged to report crimes to the police and disciplinary proceedings for criminal activity by members of the Catholic Church are handled internally by Canon law, which operates independently of the regular legal procedure.

Following an investigation by the commission, officials believe that the Catholic Church is using “confessional confidentiality” as a cover for not reporting child sex abuse by active pedophiles to the authorities.

“We understand the significance of religious confession – in particular, the inviolability of the confessional seal to people of some faiths, particularly the Catholic faith”, said the report. “However, we heard evidence of a number of instances where disclosures of child sexual abuse were made in religious confession, by both victims and perpetrators.
This is downright sick... br br i Jews News ~ Ma... (show quote)


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At the beginning, the Catholic Church, was not AWARE that many who infiltrated the Church were pedophiles. These pedophiles knowing great opportunities to deceive and abuse innocent children joined the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is a great learning institution for children, thus these pedophiles took advantage. The pedophiles are very sick people. It is not only the children who were victims but also the Catholic Church was made as victim of the pedophiles.

At the beginning, nobody really knew they were pedophiles. So, the Church accepted them. The Church were misled to believe. Pedophiles did not only make the children their victims, but the very Church they served. The Church was not aware to begin with who they are. They are the cleverest people pretending their hidden evil intents.

Many of these pedophiles took that opportunity pretended like they are representatives of God. They are not real priests. The Catholic Church's reputation was damaged as a result, but the Church itself, has a pure and sacred mission to God. To love and serve the people of God especially those who are in most need, and to carry on the Jesus Christ mission. When he said this to Peter. “Upon this rock, I will build a Church.” Matthew 16:18. That is the Church that Saint Peter had started in Rome.

I hope all those pedophiles now could be drained out from the Catholic Church. They don't belong there The Church spent billions of dollars paying out the victims their victims.

mwdegutis, has blamed the whole church. The Catholic Church does not represent these kinds of people but was deceived by the evil desires of the sick people like the pedophiles. Fact is the Catholic Church is the victim of these kinds of people. Don't blame the church honest intents. It was misled, and once they were discovered, they were punished and removed. If more are there hiding, they don't represent the true Catholic Church. There is nothing perfect in this world.

I must say, why not look at your protestant church you have? You have so many pastors accused of sexual abuses by their members, and 9 out of 10 extort money from their members. They extort collect members' dues in hundreds of millions from the poor people they represent. Almost all of them, become multi-millionaires, or billionaires selling the name of Jesus to the members who pay them 10% of their income deposited to the accounts of their pastors. Some give the last penny they have thinking that it was for Jesus people.

On the other hand, there are thousands of priests in the Catholic Churches who serves with great sacrifices for the love of God. This is what Jesus said for the 3rd time: Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter said,” you know that I love your Lord”. Jesus said, “Feed my sheep”. This has been the mission of the Catholic Church.
John 21:16 Jesus asked Peter, "Simone son of John, do you love me?" Peter said, " Yes Lord, you know that I love you". "Then take care of my sheep," Jesus said. He said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.”

Mark 12:17:
Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's.
But these Protestant pastors, keep the money for themselves instead of giving to God.
I understand they need some for their livelihood, but below are lists of multi-millionaires or even billionaire pastors. Many of them are blacks taking the money from the very poor members of their churches.
1. Eric Unacedo $1.1 billion White
2. Kenneth Copeland $ 760 million White
3. Pat Robertson $500 million White
4. George Foreman $250 million black
5. David Oyedepo $ 150 million black
6. Ca adeboye $130 million black
7. Oyodele Oritseiafor $130 million black
8. Oyodele Oritsoiafor $120 million black
9. Ubent Angel $60 million black
10. Chris Oyothilone $50 million black
11. Benney Hinn $42 million white
12. Joel Olsteen $40 million White
13. Tshifhiwa Irene $35 million black
14. Ray McCauley $30 million White
15. Crefto Dollar $ 27 million black
16. Rick Warren $25 million white
17. T.d. Jakes $18 million black
18. T.b. Joshua $15 million black
19. Ashimolowa $10 million black
20. Juanita Bynum $10 million black

, wdegutis, These are the list of your protestant church, whose objective is not for god but for their own greed of wealth taken from the very poor members of their church. Why not let the world know who they are?

The Catholic Church serves the poorest of the poor all over the world, and locally.
They serve the elderly, disabled and helpless, the orphans, the very poor. They build schools, homes, to very poor countries in the world, build them water supplies, and provide medical care. Many times, the priests assigned to those countries despite of the sacrifice and help they do are killed by the Muslims.
The PEDOPHILES you accused of the Catholic Church do not belong there. The Church was misled of the evil desires of those pedophiles. They were not hired had the Church knew of their bad and evil intents. They are very sick people.

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Mar 17, 2018 07:05:45   #
Big Kahuna
 
Kevyn wrote:
Not really, after all it was conservatives who circled the wagons around Roy Moore. Open your eyes boy, but pull your head out of your backside first.


How many here think perv kev was molested by a deranged iman and needs psychiatric counselling?

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Mar 17, 2018 07:10:52   #
Radiance3
 
drlarrygino wrote:
How many here think perv kev was molested by a deranged iman and needs psychiatric counselling?


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mwdegutis should have reported Muslims whose mission is rape of women and children who until now are very common practice in Europe. And even here in the US, Muslims rape women and children too. Only the MSM don't report it.

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Mar 17, 2018 07:51:09   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
drlarrygino wrote:
How many here think perv kev was molested by a deranged iman and needs psychiatric counselling?



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Mar 17, 2018 08:46:01   #
maureenthannon
 
If the Archbishop actually said what you claim that he did, he's obviously sick and should loose his position in the church. But, if it's something that you heard or read that some one claimed he said that, don't put yourself in the position of judge and jury. Innocent until proven guilty, unless your name is Clinton. Confession is good for the soul, but confession should be made to God, not a religious leader. Also, if a person sins against another, the victim should receive an apology from the one who wronged him/her, ad if possible, compensation for the wrong done to him or her.

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Mar 17, 2018 08:59:29   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
maureenthannon wrote:
If the Archbishop actually said what you claim that he did, he's obviously sick and should loose his position in the church. But, if it's something that you heard or read that some one claimed he said that, don't put yourself in the position of judge and jury. Innocent until proven guilty, unless your name is Clinton. Confession is good for the soul, but confession should be made to God, not a religious leader. Also, if a person sins against another, the victim should receive an apology from the one who wronged him/her, ad if possible, compensation for the wrong done to him or her.
If the Archbishop actually said what you claim tha... (show quote)


Had the Catholic church really cared those who molested boys would have been turned over to the police. The Catholic churches tradition of paying off the victems and demanding they say nothing or press charges indicates they complicity of the Catholic church.

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Mar 17, 2018 10:15:40   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
drlarrygino wrote:
How many here think perv kev was molested by a deranged iman and needs psychiatric counselling?


I have two counselors who would do the job pro bono. Dr's. Smith and Wesson

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Mar 17, 2018 10:43:04   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Had the Catholic church really cared those who molested boys would have been turned over to the police. The Catholic churches tradition of paying off the victems and demanding they say nothing or press charges indicates they complicity of the Catholic church.


Not so much complicity, stupidity mostly. Paying victims of such assaults is ingrained in our culture and sometimes payments are made simply to keep even unfounded accusations from becoming public and creating further scandal, which in Catholic theology is a sin. The Church is no different in this respect than any other individual or organization. Where they failed is in not recognizing that pedophiles do not change. No amount of confession will ever rectify this bad behavior, nor are there any known cases where pedophiles gave up their perversion. The Church always expects repentance and rectification of the bad behavior. The confessional exists to confer God's absolution for truly repentant people.

None the less the Church has the obligation to protect its parishioners and to simply transfer the offending priest just moves this evil to a new location. The priests involved, if there was sufficient evidence, should have been unfrocked and thus prevented from having access to children under Church auspices. The Church didn't because they always believe in man's ability to truly repent and they are short of priests. Which held greater weight I don't know.

To paraphrase Spock's death scene "The good of the many outweighs the good of the one". Once the offending behavior was known the Church had the obligation to protect all other children from this person without regard for its own reputation. This is the stupidity I referred to above, taking swift punitive action for such crimes, identified outside of the Confessional, would have enhanced the Church's reputation. Everyone knows pedophiles exist in all areas of life; concealing and tolerating them makes you complicit in their evil, no matter what your intention was.

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Mar 17, 2018 10:47:45   #
wcreekmore Loc: Odessa, Tx
 
Anyone else out here in the boonies wondering why the church is losing ground???

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Mar 17, 2018 11:03:55   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
pafret wrote:
Not so much complicity, stupidity mostly. Paying victims of such assaults is ingrained in our culture and sometimes payments are made simply to keep even unfounded accusations from becoming public and creating further scandal, which in Catholic theology is a sin. The Church is no different in this respect than any other individual or organization. Where they failed is in not recognizing that pedophiles do not change. No amount of confession will ever rectify this bad behavior, nor are there any known cases where pedophiles gave up their perversion. The Church always expects repentance and rectification of the bad behavior. The confessional exists to confer God's absolution for truly repentant people.

None the less the Church has the obligation to protect its parishioners and to simply transfer the offending priest just moves this evil to a new location. The priests involved, if there was sufficient evidence, should have been unfrocked and thus prevented from having access to children under Church auspices. The Church didn't because they always believe in man's ability to truly repent and they are short of priests. Which held greater weight I don't know.

To paraphrase Spock's death scene "The good of the many outweighs the good of the one". Once the offending behavior was known the Church had the obligation to protect all other children from this person without regard for its own reputation. This is the stupidity I referred to above, taking swift punitive action for such crimes, identified outside of the Confessional, would have enhanced the Church's reputation. Everyone knows pedophiles exist in all areas of life; concealing and tolerating them makes you complicit in their evil, no matter what your intention was.
Not so much complicity, stupidity mostly. Paying ... (show quote)


It never ceases to amaze me that "Progressives" who claim same sex attraction is not changeable but sex attraction toward children is changeable with a small amount of therapy . Thousands of people who went through a period of same sex attraction have become opposite sex attracted over time, often only by the process of maturity, but those who are attracted to children never stop being attracted to children and cannot stop acting on this attraction for an extended period of time.

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Mar 17, 2018 11:28:01   #
1969skoops
 
And my family still can't figure out why I left the church!!

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