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Mar 29, 2018 05:18:34   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
PeterS wrote:
We can't prevent all crime but a ban on certain types of guns would make certain venues safer. Do you want a shooter equipped with a revolver or a semi auto with high capacity magazines? At least with a revolver you might stand a chance but with a semi auto there is little you can do...

Yup...

And now for a simulation of what the Parkland shooting would have looked like if Nicholas Cruz had the most advanced firearm available at the time the 2nd Amendment was ratified...

He walks into the building carrying a British Land Pattern Musket. He stops for a moment to reach for a paper cartridge, bites down on the tail to tear it open. He half-cocks the musket and pushes the frizzen forward to open the flash pan. He pours a small amount of the black powder from the cartridge into the pan, then pulls the frizzen back. Meanwhile kids are gathering around wondering what he's doing. Next he holds the musket with the muzzle pointing up being careful not to spill the powder out of the pan. He pours the rest of the black powder into the barrel. Then he pushes a lead ball in the barrel. Next he wads up the empty cartridge and pushes that into the barrel. After that he removes the ramrod from the channel beneath the barrel and rams the paper wadding and the lead ball down the barrel into the breach. Then he looks up at the kids as he put the ramrod back in the channel. He raises the weapon... and he fires.

The kids all look at him with wide eyes... the shot breaks a window. He missed his target because it was too far away, he needs to get at least within a few yards for any accuracy but the kids panic a little and start backing away. The shooter shakes his head and reaches for another cartridge bites down, rips it open, half cocks the musket. A teacher comes out and says "what's going on?" One of the kids scream - "It's a mass shooting!" Suddenly the whole school is freaked and they start running for cover, meanwhile the shooter having poured some black powder into the flash pan, pulls the frizzen back and carefully tips the musket upward, again being careful not to spill the powder, and pours the rest of the powder into the barrel, followed by another lead ball then the wadded up paper cartridge. Then he uses the ramrod again to push it all down to the breach, put the ramrod back in the channel then tries to find a target... Ah, the kid on crutches I can catch him he thought but no, the kid managed to escape through the exit. The shooter looks out a window to see kids running around and screaming and a deputy Sheriff hiding behind a car on the radio calling for back up.

"Sir there's a sho, a sho, a shooting..."
"At the school?"
"Yeah. I need help"
"How many?"
"One shooter."
"What's he got?"
"A Land Pattern Musket."
"A what?"
"A Brown Bess!"
"Well go in there and take it. Damnit"
"But he might hurt me."

Suddenly there's another explosion and a plume of smoke.

"What was that?"
"That was him he just fired again."
"Get him now... He can't fire again until loaded that gives you like 30 seconds."
"Oh, yeah."

So the deputy jumps out from behind the car and runs toward the door where the shooter is pouring black powder into his flash pan, for dramatic effect the deputy starts running in slow motion. The shooter pulls back the frizzen and tilts the musket upward... The deputy takes another slow motion lunge... "Aaaaaaaaargh!!!!" The shooter pours the rest of the powder in the barrel, then another lead ball then the paper wad. The deputy is within range now still screaming and running in slow motion. The shooter takes the ram rod to barrel and pushes ball and paper down to the breach, the deputy jumps on him, takes the musket away and becomes a hero.

Total casualties... one broken window, one destroyed locker and one shattered perception that the Founders who wrote the 2nd Amendment could have ever thought one kid with one gun could possibly kill 17 kids in six minutes.

;)

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Mar 29, 2018 06:51:23   #
PeterS
 
straightUp wrote:
Yup...

And now for a simulation of what the Parkland shooting would have looked like if Nicholas Cruz had the most advanced firearm available at the time the 2nd Amendment was ratified...

He walks into the building carrying a British Land Pattern Musket. He stops for a moment to reach for a paper cartridge, bites down on the tail to tear it open. He half-cocks the musket and pushes the frizzen forward to open the flash pan. He pours a small amount of the black powder from the cartridge into the pan, then pulls the frizzen back. Meanwhile kids are gathering around wondering what he's doing. Next he holds the musket with the muzzle pointing up being careful not to spill the powder out of the pan. He pours the rest of the black powder into the barrel. Then he pushes a lead ball in the barrel. Next he wads up the empty cartridge and pushes that into the barrel. After that he removes the ramrod from the channel beneath the barrel and rams the paper wadding and the lead ball down the barrel into the breach. Then he looks up at the kids as he put the ramrod back in the channel. He raises the weapon... and he fires.

The kids all look at him with wide eyes... the shot breaks a window. He missed his target because it was too far away, he needs to get at least within a few yards for any accuracy but the kids panic a little and start backing away. The shooter shakes his head and reaches for another cartridge bites down, rips it open, half cocks the musket. A teacher comes out and says "what's going on?" One of the kids scream - "It's a mass shooting!" Suddenly the whole school is freaked and they start running for cover, meanwhile the shooter having poured some black powder into the flash pan, pulls the frizzen back and carefully tips the musket upward, again being careful not to spill the powder, and pours the rest of the powder into the barrel, followed by another lead ball then the wadded up paper cartridge. Then he uses the ramrod again to push it all down to the breach, put the ramrod back in the channel then tries to find a target... Ah, the kid on crutches I can catch him he thought but no, the kid managed to escape through the exit. The shooter looks out a window to see kids running around and screaming and a deputy Sheriff hiding behind a car on the radio calling for back up.

"Sir there's a sho, a sho, a shooting..."
"At the school?"
"Yeah. I need help"
"How many?"
"One shooter."
"What's he got?"
"A Land Pattern Musket."
"A what?"
"A Brown Bess!"
"Well go in there and take it. Damnit"
"But he might hurt me."

Suddenly there's another explosion and a plume of smoke.

"What was that?"
"That was him he just fired again."
"Get him now... He can't fire again until loaded that gives you like 30 seconds."
"Oh, yeah."

So the deputy jumps out from behind the car and runs toward the door where the shooter is pouring black powder into his flash pan, for dramatic effect the deputy starts running in slow motion. The shooter pulls back the frizzen and tilts the musket upward... The deputy takes another slow motion lunge... "Aaaaaaaaargh!!!!" The shooter pours the rest of the powder in the barrel, then another lead ball then the paper wad. The deputy is within range now still screaming and running in slow motion. The shooter takes the ram rod to barrel and pushes ball and paper down to the breach, the deputy jumps on him, takes the musket away and becomes a hero.

Total casualties... one broken window, one destroyed locker and one shattered perception that the Founders who wrote the 2nd Amendment could have ever thought one kid with one gun could possibly kill 17 kids in six minutes.

;)
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No argument from me...

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Mar 29, 2018 12:27:54   #
boofhead
 
straightUp wrote:
Yup...

And now for a simulation of what the Parkland shooting would have looked like if Nicholas Cruz had the most advanced firearm available at the time the 2nd Amendment was ratified...

He walks into the building carrying a British Land Pattern Musket. He stops for a moment to reach for a paper cartridge, bites down on the tail to tear it open. He half-cocks the musket and pushes the frizzen forward to open the flash pan. He pours a small amount of the black powder from the cartridge into the pan, then pulls the frizzen back. Meanwhile kids are gathering around wondering what he's doing. Next he holds the musket with the muzzle pointing up being careful not to spill the powder out of the pan. He pours the rest of the black powder into the barrel. Then he pushes a lead ball in the barrel. Next he wads up the empty cartridge and pushes that into the barrel. After that he removes the ramrod from the channel beneath the barrel and rams the paper wadding and the lead ball down the barrel into the breach. Then he looks up at the kids as he put the ramrod back in the channel. He raises the weapon... and he fires.

The kids all look at him with wide eyes... the shot breaks a window. He missed his target because it was too far away, he needs to get at least within a few yards for any accuracy but the kids panic a little and start backing away. The shooter shakes his head and reaches for another cartridge bites down, rips it open, half cocks the musket. A teacher comes out and says "what's going on?" One of the kids scream - "It's a mass shooting!" Suddenly the whole school is freaked and they start running for cover, meanwhile the shooter having poured some black powder into the flash pan, pulls the frizzen back and carefully tips the musket upward, again being careful not to spill the powder, and pours the rest of the powder into the barrel, followed by another lead ball then the wadded up paper cartridge. Then he uses the ramrod again to push it all down to the breach, put the ramrod back in the channel then tries to find a target... Ah, the kid on crutches I can catch him he thought but no, the kid managed to escape through the exit. The shooter looks out a window to see kids running around and screaming and a deputy Sheriff hiding behind a car on the radio calling for back up.

"Sir there's a sho, a sho, a shooting..."
"At the school?"
"Yeah. I need help"
"How many?"
"One shooter."
"What's he got?"
"A Land Pattern Musket."
"A what?"
"A Brown Bess!"
"Well go in there and take it. Damnit"
"But he might hurt me."

Suddenly there's another explosion and a plume of smoke.

"What was that?"
"That was him he just fired again."
"Get him now... He can't fire again until loaded that gives you like 30 seconds."
"Oh, yeah."

So the deputy jumps out from behind the car and runs toward the door where the shooter is pouring black powder into his flash pan, for dramatic effect the deputy starts running in slow motion. The shooter pulls back the frizzen and tilts the musket upward... The deputy takes another slow motion lunge... "Aaaaaaaaargh!!!!" The shooter pours the rest of the powder in the barrel, then another lead ball then the paper wad. The deputy is within range now still screaming and running in slow motion. The shooter takes the ram rod to barrel and pushes ball and paper down to the breach, the deputy jumps on him, takes the musket away and becomes a hero.

Total casualties... one broken window, one destroyed locker and one shattered perception that the Founders who wrote the 2nd Amendment could have ever thought one kid with one gun could possibly kill 17 kids in six minutes.

;)
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I wasted three minutes of my life I will never get back again. What total codswallop!

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Mar 29, 2018 12:59:30   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
boofhead wrote:
I wasted three minutes of my life I will never get back again. What total codswallop!


My thoughts EXACTLY, boofhead! Only I learned a new word for my limited vocabulary. Thanks!

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Mar 29, 2018 13:24:15   #
Morgan
 
youngwilliam wrote:
Come on now, that is a ridiculous statement..
Very extensive background checks, local sheriff signoffs required. Not to mention thousands of dollars.. How many crimes committed with automatic weapons? 00000


Mine is a ridiculous statement, I think not, what is ridiculous is allowing any civilian to be able to purchase an automatic killing machine. What do you think the shooter used to hit over 500 people in Vegas? An undisclosed number of the weapons at the crime scene were believed to have been modified with technology known as a "bump-stock'' that allows for rapid firing, similar to a machine gun, two people familiar with the matter said. Total the man owned 42 guns. I'm sure you don't believe in allowing a finite number of guns, that would impede your 2nd amendment correct, so tell me where should a line be drawn, or should there just be no holds bar, anything goes.

Let's not make any reasonable measures on gun control, because you folks just despise that word control. So let's fast forward... the right, now has us all carrying and we go to church packing. So what is going to prevent someone walking in during mass when everyone is facing the altar taking out his automatic, maybe two and mowing everyone down before they can even turn around?

I don't know where you live but around here it's not any two thousand dollars, more to the tune of two hundred.

Funny the more you guys argue that it wasn't auto's but semi auto's used, the more it wins favour of no guns, except a single shot shotgun.

In today's day we don't need guns, we need to teach to preserve life, and use other forces to bring down perpetrators, if hunting, use a bow and be a real hunter. The animals have a hard enough time surviving around the egocentric humans.

What the world needs now is love, not more gun crazed hunters, try fishing.

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Mar 29, 2018 13:26:32   #
Morgan
 
straightUp wrote:
Yup...

And now for a simulation of what the Parkland shooting would have looked like if Nicholas Cruz had the most advanced firearm available at the time the 2nd Amendment was ratified...

He walks into the building carrying a British Land Pattern Musket. He stops for a moment to reach for a paper cartridge, bites down on the tail to tear it open. He half-cocks the musket and pushes the frizzen forward to open the flash pan. He pours a small amount of the black powder from the cartridge into the pan, then pulls the frizzen back. Meanwhile kids are gathering around wondering what he's doing. Next he holds the musket with the muzzle pointing up being careful not to spill the powder out of the pan. He pours the rest of the black powder into the barrel. Then he pushes a lead ball in the barrel. Next he wads up the empty cartridge and pushes that into the barrel. After that he removes the ramrod from the channel beneath the barrel and rams the paper wadding and the lead ball down the barrel into the breach. Then he looks up at the kids as he put the ramrod back in the channel. He raises the weapon... and he fires.

The kids all look at him with wide eyes... the shot breaks a window. He missed his target because it was too far away, he needs to get at least within a few yards for any accuracy but the kids panic a little and start backing away. The shooter shakes his head and reaches for another cartridge bites down, rips it open, half cocks the musket. A teacher comes out and says "what's going on?" One of the kids scream - "It's a mass shooting!" Suddenly the whole school is freaked and they start running for cover, meanwhile the shooter having poured some black powder into the flash pan, pulls the frizzen back and carefully tips the musket upward, again being careful not to spill the powder, and pours the rest of the powder into the barrel, followed by another lead ball then the wadded up paper cartridge. Then he uses the ramrod again to push it all down to the breach, put the ramrod back in the channel then tries to find a target... Ah, the kid on crutches I can catch him he thought but no, the kid managed to escape through the exit. The shooter looks out a window to see kids running around and screaming and a deputy Sheriff hiding behind a car on the radio calling for back up.

"Sir there's a sho, a sho, a shooting..."
"At the school?"
"Yeah. I need help"
"How many?"
"One shooter."
"What's he got?"
"A Land Pattern Musket."
"A what?"
"A Brown Bess!"
"Well go in there and take it. Damnit"
"But he might hurt me."

Suddenly there's another explosion and a plume of smoke.

"What was that?"
"That was him he just fired again."
"Get him now... He can't fire again until loaded that gives you like 30 seconds."
"Oh, yeah."

So the deputy jumps out from behind the car and runs toward the door where the shooter is pouring black powder into his flash pan, for dramatic effect the deputy starts running in slow motion. The shooter pulls back the frizzen and tilts the musket upward... The deputy takes another slow motion lunge... "Aaaaaaaaargh!!!!" The shooter pours the rest of the powder in the barrel, then another lead ball then the paper wad. The deputy is within range now still screaming and running in slow motion. The shooter takes the ram rod to barrel and pushes ball and paper down to the breach, the deputy jumps on him, takes the musket away and becomes a hero.

Total casualties... one broken window, one destroyed locker and one shattered perception that the Founders who wrote the 2nd Amendment could have ever thought one kid with one gun could possibly kill 17 kids in six minutes.

;)
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love it , thanks!

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Mar 29, 2018 16:28:24   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
PeterS wrote:
That's because automatic weapons are so regulated that they are prohibitive to own.


Not according to Morgan.

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Mar 29, 2018 16:32:26   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
Morgan wrote:
Mine is a ridiculous statement, I think not, what is ridiculous is allowing any civilian to be able to purchase an automatic killing machine. What do you think the shooter used to hit over 500 people in Vegas? An undisclosed number of the weapons at the crime scene were believed to have been modified with technology known as a "bump-stock'' that allows for rapid firing, similar to a machine gun, two people familiar with the matter said. Total the man owned 42 guns. I'm sure you don't believe in allowing a finite number of guns, that would impede your 2nd amendment correct, so tell me where should a line be drawn, or should there just be no holds bar, anything goes.

Let's not make any reasonable measures on gun control, because you folks just despise that word control. So let's fast forward... the right, now has us all carrying and we go to church packing. So what is going to prevent someone walking in during mass when everyone is facing the altar taking out his automatic, maybe two and mowing everyone down before they can even turn around?

I don't know where you live but around here it's not any two thousand dollars, more to the tune of two hundred.

Funny the more you guys argue that it wasn't auto's but semi auto's used, the more it wins favour of no guns, except a single shot shotgun.

In today's day we don't need guns, we need to teach to preserve life, and use other forces to bring down perpetrators, if hunting, use a bow and be a real hunter. The animals have a hard enough time surviving around the egocentric humans.

What the world needs now is love, not more gun crazed hunters, try fishing.
Mine is a ridiculous statement, I think not, what ... (show quote)


Wow $200.00 automatic weapons. I'll take all I can get.

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Mar 29, 2018 16:42:06   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
buffalo wrote:
Myth: The United States has the highest violence rate because of lax gun control

GUNS IN OTHER COUNTRIES - Homicide Rates for Top Ten Countries Plus United States

Fact: The top 100 countries for homicide do not include the U.S. 44 The top ten countries all have near or TOTAL firearm bans for private citizens.

So, if you want to feel safe move to one of these "peaceful" countries that do not allow private ownership of guns:


How about this list Buff? Please compare the USA to the UK, Japan, Italy, Greece, Australia, Germany and France.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

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Mar 29, 2018 19:53:28   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
Yup...

And now for a simulation of what the Parkland shooting would have looked like if Nicholas Cruz had the most advanced firearm available at the time the 2nd Amendment was ratified...

He walks into the building carrying a British Land Pattern Musket. He stops for a moment to reach for a paper cartridge, bites down on the tail to tear it open. He half-cocks the musket and pushes the frizzen forward to open the flash pan. He pours a small amount of the black powder from the cartridge into the pan, then pulls the frizzen back. Meanwhile kids are gathering around wondering what he's doing. Next he holds the musket with the muzzle pointing up being careful not to spill the powder out of the pan. He pours the rest of the black powder into the barrel. Then he pushes a lead ball in the barrel. Next he wads up the empty cartridge and pushes that into the barrel. After that he removes the ramrod from the channel beneath the barrel and rams the paper wadding and the lead ball down the barrel into the breach. Then he looks up at the kids as he put the ramrod back in the channel. He raises the weapon... and he fires.

The kids all look at him with wide eyes... the shot breaks a window. He missed his target because it was too far away, he needs to get at least within a few yards for any accuracy but the kids panic a little and start backing away. The shooter shakes his head and reaches for another cartridge bites down, rips it open, half cocks the musket. A teacher comes out and says "what's going on?" One of the kids scream - "It's a mass shooting!" Suddenly the whole school is freaked and they start running for cover, meanwhile the shooter having poured some black powder into the flash pan, pulls the frizzen back and carefully tips the musket upward, again being careful not to spill the powder, and pours the rest of the powder into the barrel, followed by another lead ball then the wadded up paper cartridge. Then he uses the ramrod again to push it all down to the breach, put the ramrod back in the channel then tries to find a target... Ah, the kid on crutches I can catch him he thought but no, the kid managed to escape through the exit. The shooter looks out a window to see kids running around and screaming and a deputy Sheriff hiding behind a car on the radio calling for back up.

"Sir there's a sho, a sho, a shooting..."
"At the school?"
"Yeah. I need help"
"How many?"
"One shooter."
"What's he got?"
"A Land Pattern Musket."
"A what?"
"A Brown Bess!"
"Well go in there and take it. Damnit"
"But he might hurt me."

Suddenly there's another explosion and a plume of smoke.

"What was that?"
"That was him he just fired again."
"Get him now... He can't fire again until loaded that gives you like 30 seconds."
"Oh, yeah."

So the deputy jumps out from behind the car and runs toward the door where the shooter is pouring black powder into his flash pan, for dramatic effect the deputy starts running in slow motion. The shooter pulls back the frizzen and tilts the musket upward... The deputy takes another slow motion lunge... "Aaaaaaaaargh!!!!" The shooter pours the rest of the powder in the barrel, then another lead ball then the paper wad. The deputy is within range now still screaming and running in slow motion. The shooter takes the ram rod to barrel and pushes ball and paper down to the breach, the deputy jumps on him, takes the musket away and becomes a hero.

Total casualties... one broken window, one destroyed locker and one shattered perception that the Founders who wrote the 2nd Amendment could have ever thought one kid with one gun could possibly kill 17 kids in six minutes.

;)
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dumb one; The kid coming off of his prescribed anti-depressants, would have used a machete.

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Apr 1, 2018 21:21:28   #
Morgan
 
youngwilliam wrote:
Wow $200.00 automatic weapons. I'll take all I can get.


Looks like you're living in the wrong state.

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Apr 2, 2018 11:21:48   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
Morgan wrote:
Looks like you're living in the wrong state.


What State has $200.00 automatic weapons?

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Apr 2, 2018 21:35:34   #
Morgan
 
youngwilliam wrote:
What State has $200.00 automatic weapons?


Not $200.00 automatic weapons, a $200.00 tax stamp.

South Carolina residents are allowed to use and possess the following types of NFA firearms and devices:

Machine Guns

Machine guns (also known as fully-automatic weapons) are firearms that shoot, are designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading by a single function of the trigger. Civilians are only allowed to use and possess machine guns that were manufactured on or before May 19, 1986. A $200 tax is required to be paid to the ATF to transfer a machine gun into your South Carolina gun trust.
Destructive Devices

Destructive devices include explosive devices, such as bombs, grenades, or mines, and large caliber weapons, such as rocket launchers, mortars, and cannons. A $200 tax is required to be paid to the ATF to transfer a destructive device into your South Carolina gun trust or for your South Carolina gun trust to manufacture a destructive device.
Any Other Weapons

Any Other Weapons (also known as AOWs) weapons or devices capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive. Most of the time, an AOW is a firearm or device that does not fit easily into another category. A $5 tax is required to be paid to the ATF to transfer an AOW into your South Carolina gun trust or for your South Carolina gun trust to manufacture an AOW.

https://www.guntrustguru.com/south-carolina

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