Hey! Where did straightUp go?

straightUp wrote:
"It's interesting that you say it's a crime but can't actually point to the law that makes it a crime. Instead, you tell ME to look it up. You don't even mention what kind of agency hired the alien. Not all agencies are held under the same laws. Wanna try again?

Here's a tip (for when you're arguing with someone who isn't stupid)... when you claim someone is breaking a law, it's a good idea to actually reference that law. Otherwise, you're just another angry guy making noise.

Maybe you can get Loki to help you - I've noticed that at least he has the ability to look up laws."


How the United States Immigration System Works
Immigration 101
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works
How the Immigration System Works
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U.S. immigration law is very complex, and there is much confusion as to how it works. The Immigration and Naturalization Act (INA), the body of law governing current immigration policy, provides for an annual worldwide limit of 675,000 permanent immigrants, with certain exceptions for close family members. Lawful permanent residency allows a foreign national to work and live lawfully and permanently in the United States. Lawful permanent residents (LPRs) are eligible to apply for nearly all jobs (i.e., jobs not legitimately restricted to U.S. citizens) and can remain in the country even if they are unemployed. Each year the United States also admits noncitizens on a temporary basis. Annually, Congress and the President determine a separate number for refugee admissions.

You will note that the law defines what the criteria are for being in this country lawfully. Any other form of entrance and presence is per se, unlawful. Your question therefore was deceptive in that there are no specific laws defining unlawful immigration yet the condition exists as a default to the normal immigration law which defines lawful occupation. To make the assessment that burrito snappers who wade the Rio Grande are illegal aliens it is only necessary to observe that they do not fit any of the lawful immigration categories.

It is incumbent on the citizens of this nation to follow its laws; it is even more important that State and Local government follow the laws, else we have no law. The illegal alien should not have been knowingly hired for the State post, he needs to be deported.

Thanks pafret for educating straightUp as well as others.

Thanks for the link pafret... It's actually the same link I was looking at a few days ago... It's the source of that 675,000 limit I quoted.

So... there's a few things you are either overlooking or just not understanding... (but don't worry, there's still a lot that I am trying to understand as well)

First of all, the document you are referencing describes the policies of the immigration services under the Executive Branch. Although these policies comply with actual law, they are not themselves "federal laws". Federal laws can only be legislated by Congress according to Article 1. So, in the interest of time, I'm just going to take you to where the "federal laws" actually are, but before I do that I want to make a point.

What I am about to do, is something no one else on this thread has been able to do... Despite all the strong accusations of illegal immigrants being criminals, I am the only person here that actually located the federal laws on that they all insist these immigrants are breaking. The point I'm making here is that so many of you were aggressively accusing people of breaking laws and yet none of you could even find the laws you say they are breaking. That isn't the hallmark of a just society; that is the hallmark of a vindictive mob.

That being said... Title 8 of the United States Code covers that law pafret. Good luck trying to make sense of it, Title 8 is mostly a tangle of links to other sections and titles because of all the shifting around over the years and most of the rules apply to potential employers and government agencies and governs how they deal with immigrants rather than the immigrant himself. As far as I can tell, the "time" for the "crime" of entering the country illegally is still based on the Immigration Act of 1924, including the current 6-mos maximum detention for a first offense, something Sessions is already violating. BTW, that first offense is a misdemeanor, hardly the equivalent to a murderer or a rapist, which is clearly the picture Sessions is trying to paint.

Secondly, The whole issue with sanctuary started with DACA, which is a protective measure for people who have fallen into a category where there *IS* no federal law. All the crimes defined in Title 8 apply to people who actually commit them. The issue we have is that we don't feel right holding young children responsible for their own immigration if their parents were making the decision for them. So what do we do with these young people? Obama asked Congress to solve this but that was when the Children of the Corn were running Congress and they were basically saying fu*k-u to EVERYTHING Obama asked for, so he created DACA and he was very upfront about the difference between a stopgap like DACA and an actual law such as what the Dreamer Act was supposed to be.

Getting back to the sanctuary laws, they are all specific reactions to new immigration policies that were never legislated by Congress. Most of them are based on the same legal principals that the Children of the Corn were using to attack Obama's polices including DACA itself. You should check into it. There's a tons of Obama-era arguments challenging the authority of the Executive Branch on immigration. Funny how when the White House changes hands, all of a sudden the Executive Branch is the supreme law and everyone should just follow it.

Bottom line here... Sessions is a liar.