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Feb 21, 2018 09:26:51   #
Richard Mondale Loc: Montana
 
Gatsby wrote:
The only point he makes is the point on his "dunce hat", of which there clearly not enough to go around!

I have an objective. I want liberty to own and practice with everything. I want the Police to use all available tools. So, what are the implementation rules?
Let's start an artillery club. Hit a target at 10,000 feet, with a pumpkin.

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Feb 21, 2018 09:27:47   #
Gatsby
 
So you admit that your absurd "weapons of war" ban for civilian use includes the gasoline that powers your lawnmower?

As for following an army to identify the worthless crap left behind, do you know how many tanks, field guns, and ammunition

were for same, were "left behind" when the Germans were driven back in WWII? Gee I think I'll grab up one of those "worthless"

Tiger Mark VI's, and a few hundred rounds of their "worthless" 75MM ammo! Keep digging, soon you'll have a hole clear to China!

Richard Mondale wrote:
War Grade is as War Grade does. Gasoline can be weaponized into a weapon of mass destruction, so I'm not going to make a list.
I read a description of an easy way to evaluate what weapons were the best: Follow an Army after a battle. The worthless crap will be dumped in the ditch.

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Feb 21, 2018 09:36:21   #
Richard Mondale Loc: Montana
 
Morgan wrote:
Excellent point

Thank you. It seems to have lit a fuse.

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Feb 21, 2018 09:55:32   #
Richard Mondale Loc: Montana
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Where does it say that? I thought I knew the constitution fairly well, but that's a new one to me.

Okay, you got me. They don't do it, for some convention or reason, like the CIA does not operate inside the country.

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Feb 21, 2018 10:39:51   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Morgan wrote:
A shameful time in our history, the massacre of 4 unarmed students, not a good example for your point, it ws not a large armed crowd.



The shame was that those moronic students engaged in threatening poorly trained Guardsmen, who were equipped with Military assault rifles, the M1 Garand. If they had an ounce of common sense they would not have provoked armed men. It is a good thing that the Guard had not been ordered to fix bayonets and charge. The crowd of students was more than large enough and they carried sign's whose poles were used as clubs. The Guard receives no training in crowd control, they are a military unit trained to attack and defend only.

Calling out the Guard is a last resort thing and is usually done only when Civilian authority is incapable of containing the threat to domestic peace. If you want to call it a tragedy then assign the blame to those who thought it was necessary to employ the Guard. Those who posed the threat to Peace also carry their share of guilt for the massacre. The Constitution recognizes the right to freely assemble and to protest; it does not recognize any right for destruction of property or violence toward others.

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Feb 21, 2018 10:45:36   #
Richard Mondale Loc: Montana
 
pafret wrote:
The shame was that those moronic students engaged in threatening poorly trained Guardsmen, who were equipped with Military assault rifles, the M1 Garand. If they had an ounce of common sense they would not have provoked armed men. It is a good thing that the Guard had not been ordered to fix bayonets and charge. The crowd of students was more than large enough and they carried sign's whose poles were used as clubs. The Guard receives no training in crowd control, they are a military unit trained to attack and defend only.

Calling out the Guard is a last resort thing and is usually done only when Civilian authority is incapable of containing the threat to domestic peace. If you want to call it a tragedy then assign the blame to those who thought it was necessary to employ the Guard. Those who posed the threat to Peace also carry their share of guilt for the massacre. The Constitution recognizes the right to freely assemble and to protest; it does not recognize any right for destruction of property or violence toward others.
The shame was that those moronic students engaged ... (show quote)

I remember exactly where I was when I heard the news.

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Feb 21, 2018 10:46:06   #
Morgan
 
Gatsby wrote:
The only point he makes is the point on his "dunce hat", of which there clearly not enough to go around!


Nothing but insults from the right once again, and again and again, it's all you know. Not one legitimate argument against what he said, that's because there isn't any.

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Feb 21, 2018 10:50:36   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Richard Mondale wrote:
Let's start an artillery club. Hit a target at 10,000 feet, with a pumpkin.


Sounds like a great idea. Just one question: How would you accelerate a pumpkin on such a trajectory without turning it to mush? 10,000 feet is nearly two miles... Once the mechanics are figured out, the accuracy would likely follow.

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Feb 21, 2018 10:57:26   #
Richard Mondale Loc: Montana
 
pafret wrote:
The shame was that those moronic students engaged in threatening poorly trained Guardsmen, who were equipped with Military assault rifles, the M1 Garand. If they had an ounce of common sense they would not have provoked armed men. It is a good thing that the Guard had not been ordered to fix bayonets and charge. The crowd of students was more than large enough and they carried sign's whose poles were used as clubs. The Guard receives no training in crowd control, they are a military unit trained to attack and defend only.

Calling out the Guard is a last resort thing and is usually done only when Civilian authority is incapable of containing the threat to domestic peace. If you want to call it a tragedy then assign the blame to those who thought it was necessary to employ the Guard. Those who posed the threat to Peace also carry their share of guilt for the massacre. The Constitution recognizes the right to freely assemble and to protest; it does not recognize any right for destruction of property or violence toward others.
The shame was that those moronic students engaged ... (show quote)

Okay, the wife is ex-military and had a friend who was at Kent State. She says the Guard was in fight or flight mode. The crowd had clubs, as noted above. I thought there was distance between the lines but she says not. And she say the Guard was trained in crowd control. What do you know?

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Feb 21, 2018 11:04:47   #
Richard Mondale Loc: Montana
 
Morgan wrote:
Nothing but insults from the right once again, and again and again, it's all you know. Not one legitimate argument against what he said, that's because there isn't any.

Thank you.

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Feb 21, 2018 11:16:27   #
Morgan
 
pafret wrote:
The shame was that those moronic students engaged in threatening poorly trained Guardsmen, who were equipped with Military assault rifles, the M1 Garand. If they had an ounce of common sense they would not have provoked armed men. It is a good thing that the Guard had not been ordered to fix bayonets and charge. The crowd of students was more than large enough and they carried sign's whose poles were used as clubs. The Guard receives no training in crowd control, they are a military unit trained to attack and defend only.

Calling out the Guard is a last resort thing and is usually done only when Civilian authority is incapable of containing the threat to domestic peace. If you want to call it a tragedy then assign the blame to those who thought it was necessary to employ the Guard. Those who posed the threat to Peace also carry their share of guilt for the massacre. The Constitution recognizes the right to freely assemble and to protest; it does not recognize any right for destruction of property or violence toward others.
The shame was that those moronic students engaged ... (show quote)



"The shame was that those moronic students engaged in threatening poorly trained Guardsmen, who were equipped with Military assault rifles, the M1 Garand."

You've GOT to be kidding, yeah that's it, those poor armed guards, who approached the unarmed with bayonets and fired approximately 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, those poor babies. Killing two young women, and two young men. Firing randomly not to any one specifically who may have committed a crime.


Jeffrey Glenn Miller; age 20; 265 ft (81 m) shot through the mouth; killed instantly
Allison B. Krause; age 19; 343 ft (105 m) fatal left chest wound; died later that day
William Knox Schroeder; age 19; 382 ft (116 m) fatal chest wound; died almost an hour later in a local hospital while undergoing surgery
Sandra Lee Scheuer; age 20; 390 ft (120 m) fatal neck wound; died a few minutes later from loss of blood

What if they were your children, simply protesting, which is our American right...unarmed. Did they shoot warning shots into the air, did they shoot to wound...no.

Randomly Wounded

Joseph Lewis, Jr.; 71 ft (22 m); hit twice in the right abdomen and left lower leg
John R. Cleary; 110 ft (34 m); upper left chest wound
Thomas Mark Grace; 225 ft (69 m); struck in left ankle
Alan Michael Canfora; 225 ft (69 m); hit in his right wrist
Dean R. Kahler; 300 ft (91 m); back wound fracturing the vertebrae, permanently paralyzed from the chest down
Douglas Alan Wrentmore; 329 ft (100 m); hit in his right knee
James Dennis Russell; 375 ft (114 m); hit in his right thigh from a bullet and in the right forehead by birdshot, both wounds minor
Robert Follis Stamps; 495 ft (151 m); hit in his right buttock
Donald Scott MacKenzie; 750 ft (230 m); neck wound

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Feb 21, 2018 11:17:01   #
Richard Mondale Loc: Montana
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Sounds like a great idea. Just one question: How would you accelerate a pumpkin on such a trajectory without turning it to mush? 10,000 feet is nearly two miles... Once the mechanics are figured out, the accuracy would likely follow.

There is a lot there. It would have to be a known mass, so you would get a known velocity. It would not be a standard size or shape so a tubular bore would only be possible if it road on a wadding of some sort. A treboshette might be useful. They use a sling. I don't know how to spell that. Lastly the hollow interior could be filled to transfer the force to the rest of the sphere.

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Feb 21, 2018 11:25:08   #
Morgan
 
Richard Mondale wrote:
Thank you. It seems to have lit a fuse.


All it takes is... reason that they can't argue against. I have often wondered with all of the police killings of unarmed people why do they never shoot to wound if they feel they have to shoot. I think what we have going on right now are police who are so afraid, they cannot perform as the professional law enforcer they should be. Especially unbiased.

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Feb 21, 2018 11:25:41   #
Richard Mondale Loc: Montana
 
Morgan wrote:
"The shame was that those moronic students engaged in threatening poorly trained Guardsmen, who were equipped with Military assault rifles, the M1 Garand."

You've GOT to be kidding, yeah that's it, those poor armed guards, who approached the unarmed with bayonets and fired approximately 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, those poor babies. Killing two young women, and two young men. Firing randomly not to any one specifically who may have committed a crime.


Jeffrey Glenn Miller; age 20; 265 ft (81 m) shot through the mouth; killed instantly
Allison B. Krause; age 19; 343 ft (105 m) fatal left chest wound; died later that day
William Knox Schroeder; age 19; 382 ft (116 m) fatal chest wound; died almost an hour later in a local hospital while undergoing surgery
Sandra Lee Scheuer; age 20; 390 ft (120 m) fatal neck wound; died a few minutes later from loss of blood

What if they were your children, simply protesting, which is our American right...unarmed. Did they shoot warning shots into the air, did they shoot to wound...no.
That is a fabulous answer. The two lines were no where close to each other. Thank you for your fabulous research efforts. I knew I'd get an a.. kicking answer from you guys.

Randomly Wounded

Joseph Lewis, Jr.; 71 ft (22 m); hit twice in the right abdomen and left lower leg
John R. Cleary; 110 ft (34 m); upper left chest wound
Thomas Mark Grace; 225 ft (69 m); struck in left ankle
Alan Michael Canfora; 225 ft (69 m); hit in his right wrist
Dean R. Kahler; 300 ft (91 m); back wound fracturing the vertebrae, permanently paralyzed from the chest down
Douglas Alan Wrentmore; 329 ft (100 m); hit in his right knee
James Dennis Russell; 375 ft (114 m); hit in his right thigh from a bullet and in the right forehead by birdshot, both wounds minor
Robert Follis Stamps; 495 ft (151 m); hit in his right buttock
Donald Scott MacKenzie; 750 ft (230 m); neck wound
"The shame was that those moronic students en... (show quote)

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Feb 21, 2018 11:28:48   #
Morgan
 
Richard Mondale wrote:
Thank you.


You're very welcome, there seems to be no reasoning here. It is a mindset concreted into their identity.

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