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Dec 14, 2017 03:27:59   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Kevyn wrote:
While this is a move in the right direction for the nation, it is still discouraging that 47% of Alabama voters supported a nut job unrepentant child molester.

Well, yes it is.

I mentioned to Blade about the populist agitation strategy and how it can carry a scoundrel much further toward power than a functioning democracy ever could. The exit polls indicated 29% of the voters stated they were there to support Trump. I can't see that being anything less than two thirds of the Moore votes. And how much of the Trump support isn't part of the rising right-wing agitation?

In any case, this is reason why I'm saluting this moment, as a sign that resistance is very much alive. We will know, even if the right comes back to shove Alabama further into fascism, that resistance will be there. It helps the faith.

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Dec 14, 2017 04:43:18   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
[quote=straightUp]ugh.

First of all... Blade... I don't really know who you mean by "You people". That sounds like your assumption that I am a liberal. But I don't really know what you think liberalism is because I see so many grossly distorted perceptions coming from "YOU people".

Blade_Runner wrote:

The Failure of liberalism

Ah.. here we go... link, link... link, link, link... we got some kool-aid for you to drink... all these sites and data bytes... put it in a link to tell 'em what to think.
I don't know... what I'm talking about... so here's a link.

LOL - eh... just made a little song.

Look, it's late... I'm not going to read your stack of links and I'm not going to assume you know stuff just because you have a stack of links.

I started this topic... The point was to salute the decent people in Alabama. To me... they are decent people. You can disagree all you want., that's fine, but to me... it was a great thing to see and it was about decency.
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Dec 14, 2017 07:50:54   #
rick1958
 
We already elected the antichrist - twice, Barack Hussein Obama and he is still controlling subversive minions to continue to destroy America from his headquarters two blocks from the White House.

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Dec 14, 2017 09:24:49   #
SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now
 
straightUp wrote:
It's uplifting to see decency drawing a line. Even though it was such a narrow margin, the fact that it happened in Alabama was huge. The message is very clear too. This isn't about partisan politics. It's about drawing a line between immoral partisan politics and just straight up decency. Well, done Alabama!


"Straight up decency"? So you believe that unfounded, 40 year old allegations, by questionable accusers should have voters running away from the only decent candidate in the race?? However you have noooo problem voting for a man who believes a "woman's right to choose" extends right up to the moment of birth.
Slick, I believe you have a warped sense of decency.
SGM B out

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Dec 14, 2017 10:42:54   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
SGM B wrote:
"Straight up decency"? So you believe that unfounded, 40 year old allegations, by questionable accusers should have voters running away from the only decent candidate in the race?? However you have noooo problem voting for a man who believes a "woman's right to choose" extends right up to the moment of birth.
Slick, I believe you have a warped sense of decency.
SGM B out

I think you have a warped sense of reality... In case you didn't know, a democracy and a jury are not the same thing. It's not the job of the voters to decide if Moore is guilty. And BTW, Moore is also a convicted criminal who's been banned from the bench twice. So I'm not talking about the 40 year old allegations that YOU want to make the primary focus. Did you forget that he's been convicted or were you just hoping I wouldn't bring it up? And it's not just his transgressions either, it's his behavior too. He clearly presents himself as a an extreme bigot. The people of Alabama are saying they don't want bigots with criminal records representing them. So it's not really about Moore, it's about the people of Alabama and what they are willing to accept.

Get a clue Sparky.

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Dec 14, 2017 10:51:26   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
rick1958 wrote:
We already elected the antichrist - twice, Barack Hussein Obama and he is still controlling subversive minions to continue to destroy America from his headquarters two blocks from the White House.

If he's destroying anything at all, it would be your bigoted, racist America and I applaud him for that. In fact I gotta middle finger right here for YOUR America. I support a different America, the America represented by the Statue of Liberty, the America with the courage to support higher ideals and most of all freedom.

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Dec 14, 2017 11:23:24   #
SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now
 
straightUp wrote:
I think you have a warped sense of reality... In case you didn't know, a democracy and a jury are not the same thing. It's not the job of the voters to decide if Moore is guilty. And BTW, Moore is also a convicted criminal who's been banned from the bench twice. So I'm not talking about the 40 year old allegations that YOU want to make the primary focus. Did you forget that he's been convicted or were you just hoping I wouldn't bring it up? And it's not just his transgressions either, it's his behavior too. He clearly presents himself as a an extreme bigot. The people of Alabama are saying they don't want bigots with criminal records representing them. So it's not really about Moore, it's about the people of Alabama and what they are willing to accept.

Get a clue Sparky.
I think you have a warped sense of reality... In c... (show quote)


Listen up Slick, I already got a clue - I'm fully aware of Judge Moore being twice removed from the bench because he stood up for what he believed. He was removed because of the 10 Commandments in his court room (Supreme Court also has them), then the people of Alabama reelected him to the Alabama Supreme Court and he was again removed for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples.
Its curious to me that there were two opportunities for the good folks of Alabama to pick someone other than Moore - Luther Strange and Moe Brooks come to mind, but they picked Moore. As far as I'm concerned YOU can bring up anything YOU like and it won't change the fact that if these women hadn't made these (I believe bogus) allegations it would probably be Senator Elect Moore.
Are you an Alabama Republican? If not, I don't need to hear any more of your talk about Moore or what we "are willing to accept".
SGM B out.

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Dec 14, 2017 12:00:19   #
Carol Kelly
 
grace scott wrote:


So, electing a same sex marriage advocate, abortion advocate and left swinger (and I may have double meaning there) was the right way to go to the Promised Land? Maybe not. He will not have long to prove himself.

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Dec 14, 2017 12:03:40   #
Carol Kelly
 
SGM B wrote:
Listen up Slick, I already got a clue - I'm fully aware of Judge Moore being twice removed from the bench because he stood up for what he believed. He was removed because of the 10 Commandments in his court room (Supreme Court also has them), then the people of Alabama reelected him to the Alabama Supreme Court and he was again removed for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples.
Its curious to me that there were two opportunities for the good folks of Alabama to pick someone other than Moore - Luther Strange and Moe Brooks come to mind, but they picked Moore. As far as I'm concerned YOU can bring up anything YOU like and it won't change the fact that if these women hadn't made these (I believe bogus) allegations it would probably be Senator Elect Moore.
Are you an Alabama Republican? If not, I don't need to hear any more of your talk about Moore or what we "are willing to accept".
SGM B out.
Listen up Slick, I already got a clue - I'm fully ... (show quote)


Totally agreed on all points! Now let them shut up for two years, when Alabama might be able to save face w/o the help of every yankee in the North. They got a pretty good taste of that during the Civil Rights marches era. Civil Rights for whom?

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Dec 14, 2017 12:13:16   #
Carol Kelly
 
Kevyn wrote:
While this is a move in the right direction for the nation, it is still discouraging that 47% of Alabama voters supported a nut job unrepentant child molester.


Unproven!

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Dec 14, 2017 12:18:11   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
straightUp wrote:
It's uplifting to see decency drawing a line. Even though it was such a narrow margin, the fact that it happened in Alabama was huge. The message is very clear too. This isn't about partisan politics. It's about drawing a line between immoral partisan politics and just straight up decency. Well, done Alabama!


Now this is why I still sometimes read comments on this site! It's postings like this one that provide valuable insight into the thought processes used by leftists.

Here, you describe a highly organized and well-funded campaign of vicious lies and personal smears against a good man as "straight up decency".

That's very telling. Thanks for that.

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Dec 14, 2017 15:46:13   #
sgtcharlestreadwayusmcr Loc: Chino Valley, Arizona
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Damn, you Marxist fools think you just won the keys to the universe. Do you really think ONE senate seat is some kind of magical formula that will change anything? You people have no freaking clue of the consequences of what liberalism has done and continues to do to our country. Blinder than fuking bats.

The Failure of liberalism


If pregnancy does not endanger the mother's life, then abortion is murder of the innocent.

The After effects of abortion

Black Genocide

One of the primary arguments posed by supporters of Roy Moore to Republicans who feel uneasy about voting for someone who not only lacks the principles of a constitutional conservative, but who has said some incredibly offensive things, and who has been accused of unwanted contact, sexual harassment, and sexual assault by multiple women, is that Moore is the lesser of two evils.

According to the "lesser of two evils" argument being used by Moore supporters, there are several reasons one should vote for the Alabama Republican. The most prominent of these arguments, however, relates to abortion. Roy Moore, they say, would vote in favor of pro-life legislation, whereas his Democratic opponent, Doug Jones, is ardently pro-abortion. This is true. Doug Jones’ position on abortion is morally abhorrent.

In 2016, the "lesser of two evils" argument was also made by Trump supporters. Their contention was that Trump would nominate constitutional originalists to the Supreme Court, whereas Hillary Clinton would nominate judicial activists. Again, this turned out to be true, and we got a fantastic SCOTUS justice in Neil Gorsuch following Trump’s win.

However, when assessing this type of argument as it pertains to Roy Moore, one must ask the following question: Would Moore’s presence in the United States Senate actually help move pro-life legislation forward? The answer is no.

There are several reasons why losing or maintaining a single Senate seat won’t have a significant impact on abortion.

Unfortunately, for Senate Republicans to pass a pro-life bill like the 20-week abortion ban that easily passed the House of Representatives in October, they would need 60 votes. With only a 52-seat majority, and several Senators who reliably vote against pro-life legislation on a regular basis, Republicans are lacking the manpower to get anti-abortion bills across the finish line.

In 2015, a 20-week abortion ban was defeated in the Senate by six votes. 51 Republicans voted in favor of the bill, with three Democrats also voting in favor (Senators Bob Casey, Joe Donnelly, and Joe Manchin). However, two Republicans voted against the bill (Senators Mark Kirk and Susan Collins), and one abstained (Lisa Murkowski).

There are always a few Republicans in the Senate who will either abstain or vote against anti-abortion legislation. Collins, along with former Republican Senator Olympia Snowe, even voted against the "Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003," which passed the senate 64-34.

To claim that losing this seat will deal some kind of death blow to the pro-life cause is disingenuous. Would such a loss be ideal? No, but if one feels uneasy about voting for Roy Moore, the "lesser of two evils" argument as it pertains to abortion isn’t convincing.

There’s another reason this line of thinking is specious. First and foremost, abortion is a cultural issue, and culture lies upstream of politics. The battle regarding the definition and sanctity of life can certainly be waged by lawmakers, but until a majority of our society is convinced that the practice is immoral, the evil of abortion won’t be vanquished.

A 2016 study conducted by Barna Group for The Institute for Pro-Life Advancement found that 53% of people ages 18-31 believed that abortion should be illegal in all circumstances (17%) or legal only in "extreme" cases (36%), while 17% said abortion should be legal under all circumstances.

Since 2001, the percentage of Americans who find abortion "morally wrong" has increased by four points (45% to 49%), according to Gallup. The pro-life cause is slowly gaining momentum, and the onus is on the people to push it forward. We cannot and must not rely on politicians to wage this war for us.

Not offering one’s support for the morally repugnant platform of Doug Jones doesn’t mean that one must, in turn, offer unbridled support to Roy Moore. The abortion-related "lesser of two evils" argument used by Moore supporters is aggressively unsound and shouldn’t be laid at the feet of Republicans who see a vote for Roy Moore as a blight on their conscience.
Damn, you Marxist fools think you just won the key... (show quote)



After nearly an entire precinct in a black neighborhood in Birmingham was tossed out this morning by the Alabama Secretary of State for widespread and rampant voter fraud, estimates have Roy Moore in the lead by more than 300 votes. The 421st precinct racked up nearly 26K votes for Doug Jones, mostly with brand-new voter registrations, in an area with only 1100 residents.
The widespread fraud and corruption is the new method of winning elections for Democrats, who have little to no actual support in America anymore outside of the 4 cities they all seem to live in. This isn’t Chicago we’re talking about, however…it’s Alabama. There’s no way some Democrat beat a fine, upstanding public servant like Roy Moore, who has been a faithful Alabamian all his life.
Police say they are also ready to make hundreds of arrests just as soon as the DA files charges. They could stem anywhere from voter fraud, a 3rd-degree felony, to falsification, a 1st-degree misdemeanor, landing hundreds if not thousands of criminals in jail for a year or more.
The method of fraud was fake IDs, which is ironic since Democrat oppose voter ID laws because they are “too expensive” for people living in poverty in minority neighborhoods.
The Alabama Secretary of State’s office says it will refrain from certifying the election until a recount can happen.
The Military vote has not been counted.

So as the say, "It not over till the fat lady sings.
The State has until Jan 3rd to get all the votes in.

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Dec 14, 2017 16:08:30   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
straightUp wrote:
If he's destroying anything at all, it would be your bigoted, racist America and I applaud him for that. In fact I gotta middle finger right here for YOUR America. I support a different America, the America represented by the Statue of Liberty, the America with the courage to support higher ideals and most of all freedom.


Actually, what you support is an America where everyone is free to agree with your own particular brand of bigotry and intolerance. Concerning the Ten Commandments; this was an order by an activist Federal Judge who, since he couldn't have them removed from SCOTUS, because they outrank him, elected to try and force his personal druthers on a state court instead.
The gay marriage thing was basically a protest. Oh, I forgot. you only defend people who protest things that are in the official StaightUp's Guide to Acceptable Protest Subjects.

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Dec 14, 2017 16:14:43   #
SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now
 
sgtcharlestreadwayusmcr wrote:
After nearly an entire precinct in a black neighborhood in Birmingham was tossed out this morning by the Alabama Secretary of State for widespread and rampant voter fraud, estimates have Roy Moore in the lead by more than 300 votes. The 421st precinct racked up nearly 26K votes for Doug Jones, mostly with brand-new voter registrations, in an area with only 1100 residents.
The widespread fraud and corruption is the new method of winning elections for Democrats, who have little to no actual support in America anymore outside of the 4 cities they all seem to live in. This isn’t Chicago we’re talking about, however…it’s Alabama. There’s no way some Democrat beat a fine, upstanding public servant like Roy Moore, who has been a faithful Alabamian all his life.
Police say they are also ready to make hundreds of arrests just as soon as the DA files charges. They could stem anywhere from voter fraud, a 3rd-degree felony, to falsification, a 1st-degree misdemeanor, landing hundreds if not thousands of criminals in jail for a year or more.
The method of fraud was fake IDs, which is ironic since Democrat oppose voter ID laws because they are “too expensive” for people living in poverty in minority neighborhoods.
The Alabama Secretary of State’s office says it will refrain from certifying the election until a recount can happen.
The Military vote has not been counted.

So as the say, "It not over till the fat lady sings.
The State has until Jan 3rd to get all the votes in.
After nearly an entire precinct in a black neighbo... (show quote)


Hey Marine, where did you get this info? Please provide a link, I've been looking for it with no luck.
Thanks!!
SGM B out.

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Dec 14, 2017 16:20:54   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
SGM B wrote:
Hey Marine, where did you get this info? Please provide a link, I've been looking for it with no luck.
Thanks!!
SGM B out.


Did ya try WWW.wackosrus.com?

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