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Nov 28, 2017 01:09:38   #
MtnMamma
 
Let the election in Alabama be on issues. Unbiased by accusation. We do not try and convict people in the court of Public Opinion: we have courts for that. Trump is facing the same type of accusations. Innocent until proven guilty. We all need to take a step back. This is America. My feeling is that both the Moore and Trump accusers are being honest. That does not matter. Our day in court matters. Until then innocence is presumed.

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Nov 28, 2017 01:32:06   #
acknowledgeurma
 
MtnMamma wrote:
Let the election in Alabama be on issues. Unbiased by accusation. We do not try and convict people in the court of Public Opinion: we have courts for that. Trump is facing the same type of accusations. Innocent until proven guilty. We all need to take a step back. This is America. My feeling is that both the Moore and Trump accusers are being honest. That does not matter. Our day in court matters. Until then innocence is presumed.

In the Roy Moore affair, there will be no court trial. The statute of limitation has long run out on any statutory rape case. If he attempted statutory rape, he got away with it. The question then becomes, is it an issue in Alabama elections, if a candidate got away with attempted statutory rape?

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Nov 28, 2017 01:36:22   #
MtnMamma
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
In the Roy Moore affair, there will be no court trial. The statute of limitation has long run out on any statutory rape case. If he attempted statutory rape, he got away with it. The question then becomes, is it an issue in Alabama elections, if a candidate got away with attempted statutory rape?


Good point. But no due process to determine innocence or guilt, as the statue of limitation has expired.

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Nov 28, 2017 03:26:02   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
I don't definitively know how "Feeling" someone is innocent or guilty works, but legal proof is still required in the less than pristine courts of law in existence in our current day; - even if a court official "feels" their guilt, tangible proof is required.

Roy Moore has never been charged with any sexual crime or misdemeanor before any lawman, policeman or sheriff, not forty years ago, thirty years ago, twenty years ago or even ten years ago, nor has he ever been been indicted by any grand jury or any district attorney in any court of law for a sexual offense.

Yet, there he was all those years, in the public eye, running for office eight or more times, and never accused. Not until leftist reporters from the Washington Post miraculously found one poor pitiful "victim" after "victim," pulling them out of the woodwork... traumatized "Victims" from forty years ago.

This couldn't possibly have been accomplished through the big city process of slicking their palms with cold hard cash, could it? No way.

As for the so-called ("he touched me") sexual charges against Donald Trump, if only the campaign had lasted long enough, he would have undoubtedly been charged with attempted murder or worse, rather than settling for "colluding" with Russia, Russia, Russia (which for someone who was not in the government, as he was not, is NOT A Crime at all).

Unless some rogue legally endowed officer of the law is biased and "feels" like he can get away with it (or is bribed), it is my fervent hope that neither President Trump or Judge Roy Moore will be tried when there is no authentic evidence of a crime.


MtnMamma wrote:
Let the election in Alabama be on issues. Unbiased by accusation. We do not try and convict people in the court of Public Opinion: we have courts for that. Trump is facing the same type of accusations. Innocent until proven guilty. We all need to take a step back. This is America. My feeling is that both the Moore and Trump accusers are being honest. That does not matter. Our day in court matters. Until then innocence is presumed.

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Nov 28, 2017 06:36:07   #
Radiance3
 
MtnMamma wrote:
Let the election in Alabama be on issues. Unbiased by accusation. We do not try and convict people in the court of Public Opinion: we have courts for that. Trump is facing the same type of accusations. Innocent until proven guilty. We all need to take a step back. This is America. My feeling is that both the Moore and Trump accusers are being honest. That does not matter. Our day in court matters. Until then innocence is presumed.


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The Roy Moore story was made up of many issues against him: I don't believe any of them.
1. Roy Moore is a Republican. Right or wrong, Republicans are attacked by the left. There is a different very low standard ALLOWED to the democrats. No matter how rotten they may be.
2. Roy Moore's allege accusations were 40 years ago. Sound unbelievable. So many opportunities those women could have come earlier, but they did not. Afraid? I don't think so. They are not afraid now, after 40 years. I believe they are not credible, but perhaps 8 of them came out under political pressures. I think they were paid some money to do so. Soros could have used some of his funds for destroying Republicans. Most of the women I know who came out like this was able to extort tens of millions of dollars.
3. Roy Moore stories were just allegations. Whereas, the democrats crimes on sex abuses have been proven by factual evidences. E.g. Conyers, had paid $27,000 out of taxpayers' money, to a woman who was harassed, and removed from job because she refused him to sexual advances.
E.g. Al Franken, has pictures of actual sex abuse while gropping a woman's boobs while sleeping. In addition, Franken stocked his tongue down deep into the woman's mouth without her consent. These have been all proven.
E.g. Bill Clinton, have all been proven and was impeached as a result. He should have quit. But no shame and Hillary was the enabler!
Conclusion: The moral conduct of the left/democrats are way down below the drain hole. It is so rotten that they act like that is their normal standard.
There are no excuses for their behavior. They abuse women and used TAXPAYERS' money to pay for their abuses. Democrats have no SHAME, NO MORALS. DRAIN THEM OUT. Right now Franken and Conyers must resign! GUILTY!
Yet, democrats all shout and claim they are champions of women's rights. All of them are LIARS, AND HYPOCRITES! GET THEM OUT!

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Nov 28, 2017 09:01:06   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
MtnMamma wrote:
Good point. But no due process to determine innocence or guilt, as the statue of limitation has expired.


I admire your adherence to the principles of jurisprudence. While you may think him guilty. Consider this:
Roy Moore has had a very controversial career over four decades. Not a whisper or peep of sexual misconduct until a month or so before an election he was winning when he wasn't supposed to do so. The DC Establishment poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into his opponent's campaign, trying to maintain the status quo of RINO dirtbags. They failed. Why didn't these accusations come out in the primary? Because Moore wasn't supposed to win the primary. When Moore was embroiled in all his legal problems about the Ten Commandments and gay marriage, not a word. NOT ONE WORD for FORTY YEARS.
One of his accusers has falsely accused at least three other men, all clergy from three different churches of the same thing. It also seems that she was of legal age when this alleged misconduct supposedly occurred, not jailbait.
Another of his accusers works for his opponent.
Another of his accusers is in possession of the only piece of what might be considered physical evidence and refuses to turn it over to forensics experts to determine it's authenticity.
No offense, but if you gave me enough money and a little time, as I have said before, I could find women or men willing to accuse anyone of anything. ESPECIALLY if it was timed so close to the event it was meant to influence that there was no time to determine the truth or mendacity of the accusations.

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Nov 28, 2017 09:04:11   #
Lonewolf
 
The most important thing no one is talking about is Moore is unfit to serve.
And we don't need a court to determine this his appalling record is more than enough to prove it.





Radiance3 wrote:
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The Roy Moore story was made up of many issues against him: I don't believe any of them.
1. Roy Moore is a Republican. Right or wrong, Republicans are attacked by the left. There is a different very low standard ALLOWED to the democrats. No matter how rotten they may be.
2. Roy Moore's allege accusations were 40 years ago. Sound unbelievable. So many opportunities those women could have come earlier, but they did not. Afraid? I don't think so. They are not afraid now, after 40 years. I believe they are not credible, but perhaps 8 of them came out under political pressures. I think they were paid some money to do so. Soros could have used some of his funds for destroying Republicans. Most of the women I know who came out like this was able to extort tens of millions of dollars.
3. Roy Moore stories were just allegations. Whereas, the democrats crimes on sex abuses have been proven by factual evidences. E.g. Conyers, had paid $27,000 out of taxpayers' money, to a woman who was harassed, and removed from job because she refused him to sexual advances.
E.g. Al Franken, has pictures of actual sex abuse while gropping a woman's boobs while sleeping. In addition, Franken stocked his tongue down deep into the woman's mouth without her consent. These have been all proven.
E.g. Bill Clinton, have all been proven and was impeached as a result. He should have quit. But no shame and Hillary was the enabler!
Conclusion: The moral conduct of the left/democrats are way down below the drain hole. It is so rotten that they act like that is their normal standard.
There are no excuses for their behavior. They abuse women and used TAXPAYERS' money to pay for their abuses. Democrats have no SHAME, NO MORALS. DRAIN THEM OUT. Right now Franken and Conyers must resign! GUILTY!
Yet, democrats all shout and claim they are champions of women's rights. All of them are LIARS, AND HYPOCRITES! GET THEM OUT!
================== br The Roy Moore story was made... (show quote)

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Nov 28, 2017 09:11:14   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
desparado wrote:
The most important thing no one is talking about is Moore is unfit to serve.
And we don't need a court to determine this his appalling record is more than enough to prove it.


By "appalling" you mean he had the temerity to disagree with a couple of leftist judges? He refused to take down the Ten Commandments. Have you ever been to the Supreme Court Building in DC? Lo and behold there is a copy of the Ten Commandments right out there in front of everyone. I guess since the liberals couldn't have them taken down there, they decided to go for Alabama instead.

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Nov 28, 2017 09:23:09   #
Lonewolf
 
That's not his only issue


Loki wrote:
By "appalling" you mean he had the temerity to disagree with a couple of leftist judges? He refused to take down the Ten Commandments. Have you ever been to the Supreme Court Building in DC? Lo and behold there is a copy of the Ten Commandments right out there in front of everyone. I guess since the liberals couldn't have them taken down there, they decided to go for Alabama instead.

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Nov 28, 2017 09:25:45   #
Big Bass
 
desparado wrote:
The most important thing no one is talking about is Moore is unfit to serve.
And we don't need a court to determine this his appalling record is more than enough to prove it.

Unfit to serve?? Because you don't like him.

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Nov 28, 2017 09:37:30   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
desparado wrote:
That's not his only issue


Oh, you mean he disagrees with gay marriage.

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Nov 28, 2017 09:49:54   #
Lonewolf
 
Some of his court are troubling the marine who just entered will win anyway



Big Bass wrote:
Unfit to serve?? Because you don't like him.

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Nov 28, 2017 10:39:31   #
Big Bass
 
desparado wrote:
Some of his court are troubling the marine who just entered will win anyway

English translation, anyone!

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Nov 28, 2017 11:22:40   #
Lonewolf
 
some of his rulings on court cases especially case involving sex crimes are troubling


Big Bass wrote:
English translation, anyone!

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Nov 28, 2017 12:13:33   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
desparado wrote:
some of his rulings on court cases especially case involving sex crimes are troubling


Such as?

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