payne1000

You asked me to stay focused on the issues. The issue on this topic is the controlled demolition of three towers on 9/11.

If I had any young to teach, I'd teach them not to believe anything written by someone who hides their identity.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Of course the floors are an integral part of the entire structure. The floors in the twin towers were critical to the structural stability of the building. However, the idea that the floors "don't move or collapse independent of the total steel framework which supports them" is patently false.

Each floor in the twin towers (or any building) has a specific weight independent of the weight of any other floor. Each floor is secured to the vertical support independent of the connection of any other floor to the same vertical support.

Any mass on the planet, whether a floor or a feather, has WEIGHT, which means that it is under the pull of gravity, which means that the natural tendency of a mass resting at some point above the ground is to FALL to the ground. Each floor in the twin towers had weight, therefore it was under the pull of gravity, which means that if its connections to the vertical support are broken, the floor will FALL toward the ground. The floor connections in the twin towers were not sufficiently strong to withstand the force of a very heavy mass coming down on them, so they broke and the floor joined in the rush downward and FELL toward the ground.

It is curious that a young man named James Gartenberg was in his office on the 86th floor of the North Tower on the east side of the building facing the river when the plane hit the building. He called 911, then he called the NY Times, then he called a NY TV station WABC and told a national audience that he was trapped.

"I heard a noise and felt the whole building shake and saw glass falling out. The glass on my floor was blown out from the inside . . . . and part of the interior core of the building collapsed. . ."

"The fire door has trapped us, debris is falling around us, and part of the core of the building is blown out . . . "

WTC victim, Jim Gartenberg, core blown out, WABC,09:32am, 9/11

Fear on the 86th Floor

Jim Gartenberg was in an office 7 floors below the lowest floor struck by the jet. What this tell me is that when the jet crashed into the building, before the ensuing fires had effected anything, tons of building wreckage and debris collapsed down into the lower floors.

Jim and his administrative assistant, Patricia Puma, who was trapped with him were killed in the collapse. Jim's body was found in the rubble, his family identified him.

payne1000

There were numerous explosions being detonated in the towers which were independent of the airliner drone impacts. In controlled demolitions of this magnitude, there is a weakening process using explosives which precedes the final detonations. The lobby floors were exploded some time before the final detonations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UKfzGt6Fxk

emarine

You obviously don't bush hog much... I spend a lot of time while inshore on my tractor... I find it very relaxing... we have fewer horses now that my kids have grown but plenty of acres of grass... You help me pass the time while getting a job done that does get boring... especially your humor ... How's my grammar now?...are you thinking any clearer?...

emarine

True the floor system is part of the main structure...then again all buildings are not the same as you would lead us "readers" to believe...

WTC floor system


Empire State floor system

payne1000

What type of phone do you use?
I have an I-phone which is almost impossible to read even large type while in daylight.
Do you have a darkroom on your tractor?
Or do you just make up these lies in an attempt to make yourself
appear to be a real person even though you have no name you can share with us?

payne1000

Are you showing the center core of the Empire State Building? The steel doesn't appear to be nearly as massive as the steel in the Twin Towers.

The floor trusses on all 110 floors were attached on eight sides on every floor with hundreds of connections on each floor.

emarine

Now you're killing me buddy... it's a good thing I'm off the tractor ... the Empire State building is a cage frame structure...it has no center core... You must be having a bad day... think before you post...

emarine

I have an I-phone which is almost impossible to read even large type while in daylight... maybe it's past time for glasses?...

You ask...Do you have a darkroom on your tractor... sort of... it's called a roof...I use a smart phone through a sat sleeve for the past few years... it work's most of the time...

payne1000

I have glasses.
You may need glasses.
Anyone who can't recognize buildings being blown up needs to check their eyesight.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Anyone who believes they see explosive detonations in those photos needs to check in with a shrink.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Actually, the explosion in the lobby was jet fuel blasting down elevator shafts. The first firefighters through the door recognized that instantly. There were people on fire and they smelled jet fuel.

Your obsession with the explosive theories has blinded you from the truth.

emarine

I'm @ 20/20 vision... maybe you should check yours?...

Nickolai

I see debris ejecting up and out by some kind of force. Concrete, gyp board, furniture, computers door knobs. Ceramic toilet bowls every thing turning into dust in mid air. Only some Kind of force could accomplish such things. If the collapse were gravitational there could have been some chunks of concrete especially the 3,000 toilet bowels should not have been turned into dust

emarine

there was plenty of chunky stuff except in troofer world...where everything turned to dust like all 110 acres of concrete...looks like some big dust to me...