Sucker Punch From the EPA: While everyone's attention is focused everywhere else, those tireless public servants at your very own Environmental Protection Agency are busy protecting...

Loki Loc: Georgia

While everyone's attention is focused everywhere else, those tireless public servants at your very own Environmental Protection Agency are busy protecting the poor, defenseless atmosphere. Not satisfied with the progress the coal industry has made in making our coal by far the cleanest burning in the world, the EPA has progressed from destroying the coal industry to destroying the woodstove industry. This is your government at work. This is what happens when you elect peckerheads to Congress. This is what happens when "American Idol" is more important than how your congresscritter voted. Enjoy.

http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/02/20/epa-not-blowing-smoke-decrees-nationwide-woodstove-ban/

Patty

This is another step in their agenda to get into peoples homes with surprise visits. Same as the gun bans and registrations.
Their argument is mute due to them blatantly allowing the flaring off of the NG that took millions of years to develop.
Look at the picture taken from space, It is wider spread and almost as bright as Minnesota.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

I can speak for only one place but I'm pretty sure it's lots of the north country. Pellet stoves have become away of heating because of the costs of pellets vs oil-electric in the colder months. Clean coal was first on the seen then wood pellets but at each step the government was there saying to much of this or that forcing people to retrofit so they could use them to meet some number dreamed up by Washington. Just more bull from the idiots in Washington.

banjojack wrote:

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Patty

:thumbup:
Also these idiots don't seem to understand the fact that stack temperature is what causes the emmissions to successfully rise up the stack. You wait and see once these new rules come into play there will be more creosote stack fires especially on the single walls that go directly outside into the cold that have double elbows to get them out the side wall. Another EPA puppet who has no business making mathematically unchangeable venting rules.

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

banjojack wrote:

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What is next? camp fires? Will the EPA ban wood camp fires next? I bet if they find a way to tax wood for fires , it would be O.K. to burn!

Loki Loc: Georgia

Patty wrote:

:thumbup:
Also these idiots don't seem to understand the fact that stack temperature is what causes the emmissions to successfully rise up the stack. You wait and see once these new rules come into play there will be more creosote stack fires especially on the single walls that go directly outside into the cold that have double elbows to get them out the side wall. Another EPA puppet who has no business making mathematically unchangeable venting rules.

Puppet? Didn't you mean to say useless, clueless bureaucratic EEO moron? I read about "useful idiots" frequently on this forum. Most bureaucrats do not even rise to that level on the food chain.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Nope, they have rules and regulations for that also.

Bigmac495 wrote:

What is next? camp fires? Will the EPA ban wood camp fires next? I bet if they find a way to tax wood for fires , it would be O.K. to burn!

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

Patty wrote:

:thumbup:
Also these idiots don't seem to understand the fact that stack temperature is what causes the emmissions to successfully rise up the stack. You wait and see once these new rules come into play there will be more creosote stack fires especially on the single walls that go directly outside into the cold that have double elbows to get them out the side wall. Another EPA puppet who has no business making mathematically unchangeable venting rules.

Well I don't think you are going to have to worry about elbow vents . Because the way I read the article they are going after manufactures of Wood Stoves not the users. Re read the banjojack's post on his site !site So if you want one buy now before they go the way of the 100 watt light bulbs!

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

bmac32 wrote:

Nope, they have rules and regulations for that also.

Maybe the EPA should ban forest fires also ! Just joking!

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

They work on theory and it has the opposite effect usually.

banjojack wrote:

Puppet? Didn't you mean to say useless, clueless bureaucratic EEO moron? I read about "useful idiots" frequently on this forum. Most bureaucrats do not even rise to that level on the food chain.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Indirectly at the owners. What was except able 5 years ago by code is not today causing many owners 100's or 1000's to refit. 3 refits in 5 years is a bit much.

Bigmac495 wrote:

Well I don't think you are going to have to worry about elbow vents . Because the way I read the article they are going after manufactures of Wood Stoves not the users. So if you want one buy now before they go the way of the 100 watt light bulbs!

Patty

bmac32 wrote:

Indirectly at the owners. What was except able 5 years ago by code is not today causing many owners 100's or 1000's to refit. 3 refits in 5 years is a bit much.

:thumbup: Especially when you live in an A frame with 20 foot high ceilings and has to go another 1/3 of the total rise over the roof peak.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

While I am certainly no expert on the coal industry, I am not familiar with any improvements that have happened. Coal is the most dirty fossil fuel I can think of. If there is an economical and clean way of producing it, while not making the environment look like a torn up version of the moon, bring it on. I feel for the coal miners that have lost their jobs, or are about to lose them. I think that some kind of reeducation program should be made available to them, so that they can train for the lucrative new jobs in technology that are coming about.

banjojack wrote:

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Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

Patty wrote:

:thumbup: Especially when you live in an A frame with 20 foot high ceilings and has to go another 1/3 of the total rise over the roof peak.

Re read Banjojack's link to this , it says manufactures are going to be responsible for meeting this , it doesn't say anything about people having to retrofit their homes!

Patty

Bigmac495 wrote:

Re read Banjojack's link to this , it says manufactures are going to be responsible for meeting this , it doesn't say anything about people having to retrofit their homes!

I have already been required to install upgrades to keep my home insurance rates reasonable. This is just another government agency getting in on the act. Give them a foot and they take a yard if you haven't noticed.