thinksense

A few years ago the powers that be lowered the Blood pressure standards . In an interview one of the doctors explained that they wanted to get more people on BP medication.

Disclamer...I put this here for your interest. I do not write this to give you any "Health Care" advice. Just to tell you how I think.




I examine myself once a month. On 10/23/17 My blood pressure @ 8 AM was 152 systolic (the high end) over 102 diastolic (the low end) with a pulse of 71 beats per minute when testing my left arm and 162 systolic over 85 diastolic, pulse 54 and irregular ("skipped beats" also called "extra systoles") on the right arm. (If you want a proper BP reading you should always take both arms and also count the beats per minute. The two arms will often be different. I seldom see this done by most doctors/nurses.)

At 7 PM the same day I tested again and found left arm 142/64, pulse 60 and right arm 150/62. These are the type of BP I usually demonstrate. Higher in morning lower in evening. I am 83 years old. I take no BP medication.

I mention this only to let you see how a doctor actually feels about "High Blood Pressure". Am I afraid that like the doctor mentioned in the article that I will have a stroke or heart attack? Of course not. I had a very similar BP as above when I was 52.

Now read the article @ https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-11-15-pharma-drug-cartel-just-changed-the-definition-of-high-blood-pressure.html

Below is an excerpt from that article.

From Natural news:
New guidelines lower the threshold for high blood pressure, adding 30 million Americans to those who have the condition, which now plagues nearly half of U.S. adults.
1. Notice that CBS News goes right along with the quackery, stating that high blood pressure “now plagues nearly half of U.S. adults.” But last week, no such “plague” existed at all. So what changed overnight? The definition of high blood pressure, of course. Suddenly, it’s a “plague,” according to CBS News (which of course takes money from Big Pharma).
What you are witnessing in all this is a massive medical hoax being perpetrated on the American people by a legal drug cartel involving the AHA, drug companies, pharma-funded mainstream media and doctors who earn kickbacks and bribes from pushing these dangerous drugs. It’s not just drug companies, either: Medical device manufacturers are also running outright scams, too, such as the heart stent manufacturers whose products have just recently been shown to be medically useless. We’ve known that for a long time, having reported a decade ago on how drug-coated heart stents actually cause a 400% increase in deaths of heart attack patients.
It’s all organized by the American Heart Association, whose president just had a heart attack at age 52
1. In case you’re wondering just how credible the AHA really is when it comes to heart health, AHA president John Warner recently suffered a heart attack. He’s only 52 years old.

(Full article @ https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-11-15-pharma-drug-cartel-just-changed-the-definition-of-high-blood-pressure.html

son of witless

Interesting. I believe the same thing exists with cholesterol. They lowered that number to get everybody on medication too. I remember when 240 was the upper limit. If you were under 230 you were perfect. Now they want under 200.

bggamers Loc: georgia

Unfortunately not all of us have your luck yours is considered to be border line . They have caught mine in the Dr, office with a b/p of 242/133 heart rate 115 I have one bad kidney and your kidneys dictate your b/p so yours must be pretty good. I take 5-6 vitamins that are for artery elasticity and to help keep them clean I also take5 different b/p meds to try and keep my b/p down it doesnt pay for me to get upset/pissed off/ anything emotional so because I dont keep that up real well I just carry a wrist unit and bottle of meds and as I'm laughing/ crying/ or just cussing some one out I just pop a bunch of pills and keep yelling I' m going to go one way or another but I'm not going sitting on my hands and not live.It also pays to talk to God about these things since he has the last say. Apparently i'm not done here yet HMMM wonder what kind of trouble I can start

thinksense

Wit, you are absolutely right. First of all let me state that cholesterol is important to your body's health. But not at the lower numbers stated . Actually if my cholesterol gets that low, that's when I'll get worried. Cholesterol smooths arterial walls and allows freer blood flow. It also builds up plaques which cover scars in the arteries, which would cause a burbbling of the blood and possibly cause blood clots. I don't bother checking my cholesterol.

thinksense

BTW...It also builds up plaques which cover scars in the arteries, which would cause a burbbling of the blood and possibly cause blood clots. I don't bother checking my cholesterol.
For better understanding I should have said "covers scars which if not covered by the smooth oily plaque would cause a burbbling of the blood and cause blood clots."

Mikeyavelli

My wife likes my high blood pressure.
...me too.

thinksense

Bbgammers,

Glad you are still with us.

I would like to correct one thing you say, that the kidneys control you blood pressure. That is not really the way it works.

There are nerves running inside the walls of your arteries called “Nervi Vassorum”. These control the elasticity and diameter of the arteries and cause a constant change in those arteries and act to control the movement and pressure from one arterial section to the next.. This is the pulse you feel at your pulse points. It is synchronized with you heart beat. When the muscular wall of the artery is contracted , it will of course allow less blood to pass that point and therefore reduces the amount of blood flow past that point into the next section of artery. Then when the wall of that artery is wide open the BP at that point will be much lower. Then by the amount of contraction of the continuing artery will boost the pressure back upward. An example of this is when you have a weak section of artery and it forms a bulge called an “aneurism”, which if it bursts can cause stroke, etc., the artery leading into this bulge will contract and cut down the BP that the weakened aneurism has to contend with. And then when the lowered BP blood gets into the healthy ongoing artery that part of the artery will increase the blood flow and will bring the BP back up as the blood continues on it’s way.

This is the same sort of thing that goes on if you have clogged nephrons, (the delicate filter units that make up the filtering section of your kidney, which are thought to clog up with proteins).

In other words the blood pressure in different arms, the kidneys, the brain, the toe, everywhere and in everything is determined by “pressocepters” (nerve endings that extend into the blood stream of the arteries, monitor the blood flow, and send messages to the brain, which then sends messages to each section of your circulatory system and causes the different BPs so that you get the right amount of blood pressure to handle each section of your body properly suffused with blood and keep these parts nourished and alive..

Because your kidney has been damaged, (or your brain thinks it has) you might well get some strange blood pressure readings.

One last thing that is interesting. Many people and even some doctors think that a clogged artery is what causes stroke or heart attacks. Back about 30 years ago a study was done at a major Military Hospital (I think I remember that it was in Colorado). They felt that many if not all heart attacks were actually caused by a spasm of a heart artery. They gave the next hundred patients a sympatheticomimetic drug, ( a drug that reduced the effect of the sympathetic nerves in the atreries that cause the artery to contract, and brought something like 80% out of the heart attack in just minutes. Why that didn't change the treatment of Heart attack victims I could never understand.

One last thing of interest is that an athlete, say a weight lifter will demonstrate as much as 500mm HG, systolic pressure when lifting. And we get worried when we have 200 mm HG . Of course it also counts as to how healthy we are, how young, etc.

I wish you the best of luck. .

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

thinksence, Your blood pressure is high. Some people are not effected by high blood pressure as others, some times it takes longer for high blood pressure to cause serious problems. With medication, my blood pressure is around 125 over 75. Thats pretty good. I advise you to think about lowering your blood pressure through meds and/or proper diet and exercise. It's your life, and you should take better care of it. Once they shovel dirt in your face, it's too late !

thinksense

Salty,


I am a doctor with 45 years in active practice and thousands of patients behind me. When I took my National Basic Science boards, I scored the second highest (97%) on the subject of physiology (which is the study of how the body works,) and 6th highest of all doctors in the country who took thos boards that year. I do know my profession and I also know many other doctors.

High Blood Pressure only causes problems in the minds of nonthinking doctors and their medically propagandized patients.

Blood pressure varies in direct response to need, and if a BP is higher than it used to be in your body , unless something interferes with the brain's control of the blood pressure, it will be higher because that is what is needed in that part of the body to keep blood (which is the nutrient transport system, and who's job is to carry nutrients to every cell in the body, and also to carry away waste) to continue to function, in all parts of the body. In citing my blood pressure at the beginning of this string I was demonstrating that it will be different to some degree, even from one arm test point to the opposite arm, depending upon the nerve control regulated by the brain and the needs of the two individual arms.

As I used to tell my patient's, who like you didn’t understand about the BP, "What would you rather have, High BP or too low BP." (Think about it.)

I can not think of any condition other than an emergency situation, say during a surgical procedure, when I would interfere with my own body's natural function. My body knows how to take the best care of itself; it just needs no interference.

People are so propagandized by pharma advertising and scare tactics that when they heal a condition, ("Cure" a condition) they give us doctors the credit for doing that. And the blame if they don't heal. Only the body knows how to heal. Cut your finger and try to find a doctor who could heal that for you. I'll guarantee you won't be able to find one. (Just yesterday a doctor friend, who came to me recently after spinal surgery had left him with bilateral foot drop. Although I am retired, I still teach and also do treat some old patients. When we tested yesterday we were able to demonstrate that in just 6 weeks under my intense care, his foot drop had finally healed.

And he said to me,"You(meaning me) cured my foot drop.” Then he added, "Yeah, I know, my body healed it." ) remembering how many times he had heard me emphasize that point. I only got some interferences out of the way so that his body could heal.

Your body built itself and rebuilds itself every day. No one can do that for you.

I’m 85 and still here because I understand that.

Good luck.

son of witless

My issue is with Cholesterol medications. I don't have a problem with trying to keep numbers low and I think if you have a history of heart disease you got to do what you got to do. However, they put healthy people in their early 30s on medication. I do not agree with that. I know two people who were put on Lipitor and had serious side affects. Again if you have had a heart attack or blockage then take the stuff. For the rest of us fish pills and red yeast rice should be the first line.

No I am not a doctor, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn once.

debeda

Yeah and I find it suspect that 40 years after virtually everyone was deemed to need cholesterol drugs we have an Alzheimer's epidemic. I lived with my grandma a good portion of my life and she has a lot of friends. Some of them would get forgetful but none that I know of went wackadoodle. I swear it's all the drugs being pushed on seniors.

debeda

More common sense MSs like you are sorely needed!!

debeda

MDs ugh

thinksense

Wit, I love your last line. I've stayed at a lot of them attending and giving sminars.


You are assuming that the information you have been taught is true and accurate.

The record in treatment of almost all diseases is atrocious.

Take heart disease.
Cardiologists have tried many approaches. Let’s first look at what they are up to.

First the surgeons started doing a surgery they called “Poudrage”. This was developed to create more blood vessels and therefore more blood to the heart.

It involved cracking the chest, cutting the pericardium open to expose the heart, then dusting pure talc on the exposed heart. The talc would rub against the heart and pericardium creating a constant injury. The purpose was to cause a chronic irritation of the heart and thereby triggering a constant repair effort by the body. This required the body to build a large number of blood vessels to nourish the repair effort and thereby bring more blood to the heart.

Result was that that 79% of patients who underwent this procedure reported more energy, less angina pain, more bodily strength and endurance.

Then a brave doctor in Texas did all the steps of this procedure EXCEPT sprinkling talc on the heart muscle. In other words he opened them up, and closed them back up. NOTHING ELSE. He did this on 50 patients. Result 80% of the patients who underwent this procedure reported more energy, less angina pain, more bodily strength, and more endurance. That was the death knell for POUDRAGE.

Then they developed a procedure called "an Angiogram". This involved injecting a radio-opaque dye into a heart artery. As the heart muscle worked they would take x-rays and at the point that the artery contracted it would sometimes, on one of the films look like something was blocking the dye's passage and it was decided that the artery had clogged up and SINGLE BYPASS SURGERY was invented. A piece of vein (not the same as artery) was used to bypassed the “clogged “ part of the artery. Result was that 79% of patients who underwent this procedure reported more energy, less angina pain, more bodily strength and endurance.

Then on finding “other clogged arteries”, the surgeons started doing 2, 3, 4, even 5 bypasses on the same patient. Result was that 79% of patients who underwent this procedure reported more energy, less angina pain, more bodily strength. and endurance.

Then after doing this for about 30 years with “great success” They discovered it didn’t work after all. So that is almost never done anymore.

Next came the “stint”. Same results, was that 79% of patients who underwent this procedure reported more energy, less angina pain, more bodily strength and endurance.

Now what about medication for the heart. It is more or less the same story, though much less expensive, and a lot less immediate damage done to the body, and a lot less lifetime residual pain than the surgical procedures often leave the patient with.
And they will often make a big, near immediate, chang in weakness, difficult breathing and other symptoms.

But the side effects result in an average of 25% more patients dying than if no treatment is rendered except during emergencies.

Now I would like to address the 25% more deaths I mention above. It is not as bad as it sounds. On average about 2 patients will die of heart failure each year. 25% of 2 is ½. So what we are talking about is only ½ of a patient extra each year.

Back to Cholesterol.
Remember they developed a procedure called "an Angiogram". This involved injecting a radio-opaque dye into a heart, which seemed to show a blockage or at least a partial blockage. What could cause that. Well cholesterol is used by the body to make the arterial walls smooth and slick, expediting the flow of blood. What caused the scars? Well, at certain points in the artery, say at a junction with another artery or at a sharp curve there would be some temporary swirling and hesitation of the flow. Many people drink alcohol. Alcohol is a good degreaser.
At the hesitation/swirl points it or certain other chemicals could wash away the protective cholesterol covering and cause an irritating injury which might heal by scarification. Now the body would place layer upon layer of cholesterol over that to smooth things out. This was called a cholesterol plaque and blamed for blocking the artery.

Back about 25 years ago, one of the Pharma Companies wanted to have a film to show on T.V. The advertising agencies for the drug companies do this sometimes to help sell the products. You have surely watched one of these “documentaries”. Anyway , they hired a famous photographer to make a film showing the inside of an artery. As the camera moved slowly down the inside of this artery, you could see cholesterol plaques on the walls of the artery, until !!!
THERE WAS THAT BIG ONE BLOCKING THE ARTERY! You could see it for yourself. GOTCHA!
But what were you really seeing? The inside of a section of pig gut, with cotton batten glued here and there and then blocking the end point.


As I said before Cholesterol is needed in the body for good health. The Pharmaceutical Company producing cholesterol lowering drugs advertise to you and your doctor the benefits they claim will result from use of their drug. Not the fact that lowering your Cholesterol could do you harm.
What about "bad cholesterol"? Well, what about it. Does it really exist? Why do some people "have it"?

Talk it over with your doctor. BTW since these things are so important to you and your loved ones, I suggest that you always get at least 2 more opinions.

In 1968 the letter carriers union was paying for letter carrier’s wives surgery if she needed an Hysterectomy. They discovered that there were a lot more hysterectomies being done than expected. So the union demanded a second opinion. That resulted in 25% fewer surgeries in the next year.. So the Union demanded a 3'd opinion. An additional 25% less surgeries needed. (Why they didn’t demand a 4th opinion and so on until only those hysterectomy really needed were left I don’t know. )

thinksense

OOPS....

Now I would like to address the 25% more deaths I mention above. It is not as bad as it sounds. On average about 2 patients will die of heart failure each year. 25% of 2 is ½. So what we are talking about is only ½ of a patient extra each year.

I goofed, I meant that 2 out of 100 heart patients die each year, as some journals say is the average.