Assasination of JFK
Oct 25, 2017 23:08:39 #
saltwind 78 wrote:
Peter, The JFK files were due to be opened up at this time. The Donald gave himself credit he didn't deserve. Thats usual for a guy with narcissistic personality disorder and a pathological LIAR to boot.
Those JFK records held at the National Archives have been keep quiet for over half a century. The National Archives does not have the final - final authority to declassify all of them, over 400 million pages, only the President can override the CIA's and other agencies denials to declassification:
http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2012/06/national-archives-to-keep-jfk-secrets.html?m=1
Secrets of a Homicide:
NARA response to FOIA:
"'Because of the mandated December 31, 2013 deadline for our review and processing of the extremely large set of backlogged records [400 MILLION PAGES], the NDC must target its efforts exclusively on records contained within that backlog. In addition, because we are limited in the resources we can assign to these special reviews, we try to balance historical impact, public interest, and extent of other government agency involvement in order to manage government-wide declassification resource constraints as efficiently and effectively as possible.'"
"'As you know, the JFK Act authorized unprecedented powers for the ARRB, [Assassination Records Review Board] including the ability to overturn an agency decision on declassification, with the President as the only appeal authority.'"
Apparently, President Trump has overridden all the Deep State's objections and the AARB. See the full article posted by "iFrank" on Oct 24, 2017 10:22:52 on page 5 of this forum discussion. The final authority lay with the President who is a man of integrity and respects the rights of us citizens to self governance.
Oct 25, 2017 23:24:47 #
hejohnson43 wrote:
They figured that all the percipients would have died by now, but Bush Sr. is still alive. They also figured after all this time no one would really give a shit what happened.
The truth of the JFK assassination will exonerate the Bush family of any and all complicity.
Oct 26, 2017 08:00:17 #
Super Dave wrote:
I was in the 1st grade.
I remember the teacher telling me how historic it would be.
I remember the teacher telling me how historic it would be.
My father, a Republican often spoke of it saying it was LBJ and what a loss it was to our country..
Oct 26, 2017 09:02:30 #
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Those JFK records held at the National Archives ha... (show quote)
A good book on the Kennedy assassination is;
'Final Judgement - The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy' by Michael Collins Piper
Oct 26, 2017 21:29:56 #
eagleye13 wrote:
A good book on the Kennedy assassination is;
'Final Judgement - The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy' by Michael Collins Piper
'Final Judgement - The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy' by Michael Collins Piper
Thanks. I'll look for it.
The JFK files are now out there, minus a few withheld by request of the CIA and FBI. What do you suppose they are hiding?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-holding-back-some-jfk-files-releasing-others/ar-AAu61rm?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
Trump holding back some JFK files, releasing others
10/26/2017
UPDATE: WASHINGTON (AP) — The National Archives has released some of the long-secret records relating to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
President Donald Trump blocked the release of others, bending to CIA and FBI appeals. He placed those files under a six-month review while letting the 2,800 others come out Thursday, racing a deadline to honor a law mandating their release.
The Archives posted those documents Thursday evening.
EARLIER: WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump acted Thursday to block the release of hundreds of records on the John F. Kennedy assassination, bending to CIA and FBI appeals to keep those secrets.
"I have no choice," Trump said in a memo, according to White House officials. He was placing those files under a six-month review while letting 2,800 other records come out Thursday evening, racing a deadline to honor a law mandating their release.
Officials say Trump will impress upon federal agencies that JFK files should stay secret after the six-month review "only in the rarest cases."
Much of Thursday passed with nothing from the White House or National Archives except silence, leaving unclear how the government would comply with a law requiring the records to come out by the end of the day — unless Trump had been persuaded by intelligence agencies to hold some back.
White House officials said the FBI and CIA made the most requests within the government to withhold some information.
No blockbusters had been expected in the last trove of secret files regarding Kennedy's assassination Nov. 22, 1963, given a statement months ago by the Archives that it assumed the records, then under preparation, would be "tangential" to what's known about the killing.
But for historians, it's a chance to answer lingering questions, put some unfounded conspiracy theories to rest, perhaps give life to other theories — or none of that, if the material adds little to the record.
Researchers were frustrated by the uncertainty that surrounded the release for much of the day.
"The government has had 25 years_with a known end-date_to prepare #JFKfiles for release," University of Virginia historian Larry Sabato tweeted in the afternoon. "Deadline is here. Chaos."
Asked what he meant, Sabato emailed to say: "Contradictory signals were given all day. Trump's tweets led us to believe that disclosure was ready to go. Everybody outside government was ready to move quickly."
Trump had been a bit coy about the scheduled release on the eve of it, tweeting: "The long anticipated release of the #JFKFiles will take place tomorrow. So interesting!"
Experts say the publication of the last trove of evidence could help allay suspicions of a conspiracy — at least for some.
"As long as the government is withholding documents like these, it's going to fuel suspicion that there is a smoking gun out there about the Kennedy assassination," said Patrick Maney, a presidential historian at Boston College.
The collection includes more than 3,100 records — comprising hundreds of thousands of pages — that have never been seen by the public. About 30,000 documents were released previously — with redactions.
Experts said intelligence agencies pushed Trump to keep some of the remaining materials secret — the CIA didn't comment on that.
Whatever details are released, they're not expected to give a definitive answer to a question that still lingers for some: Whether anyone other than Lee Harvey Oswald was involved in the assassination.
The Warren Commission in 1964 reported that Oswald had been the lone gunman, and another congressional probe in 1979 found no evidence to support the theory that the CIA had been involved. But other interpretations, some more creative than others, have persisted.
The 1992 law mandating release of the JFK documents states that all the files "shall be publicly disclosed in full" within 25 years — that means by Thursday — unless the president certifies that "continued postponement is made necessary by an identifiable harm to the military defense; intelligence operations, law enforcement, or conduct of foreign relations."
That doesn't allow the president, for example, to hold some records back because they might be embarrassing to agencies or people.
"In any release of this size, there always are embarrassing details," said Douglas Brinkley, a professor at Rice University.
The law does not specify penalties for noncompliance, saying only that House and Senate committees are responsible for oversight of the collection.
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Associated Press writers Alanna Durkin Richer in Boston and Calvin Woodward in Washington contributed to this report.
Oct 27, 2017 09:38:12 #
Another good book on the JFK assassination.
For those that wonder why the CIA wants Trump to hold off on release of the documents, check this out.
Book Review: Plausible Denial
http://www.groverproctor.us/jfk/jfk91a.html
Plausible Denial: Was the CIA Involved in the Assassination of JFK? by Mark Lane. New York: Thunder's Mouth Press, 416 pp. $22.95, cloth.
"Not another book on the Kennedy assassination."
Undoubtedly, some will say that on seeing attorney Mark Lane's newest volume on the booksellers' stands. Some will turn away in anger, supposing it an unpatriotic response to governmental agencies who have already told us what happened, written by someone they believe is merely trying to enrich himself by peddling conspiratorial claptrap. Others will be offended by what they see as an indelicate affront to the Kennedy legacy and family.
However, for those serious about the rational and logical discourse of unresolved historical questions, who are not afraid to be given answers that are at once disturbing, well reasoned, and imminently readable, Lane's book is a must.
To describe the book using Rumpole of the Bailey's phrase "a rattling good yarn" is to say that it is as engrossing as a John le Carre or Len Deighton novel. But the spies Lane talks of here are not cold warriors defending the free world from the international communist conspiracy, but rather possible conspirators themselves in an American coup d'etat.
Among the first and for a long time the best criticism of the Warren Commission's official version that lone nut Lee Harvey Oswald had killed the president, Lane's seminal first book Rush to Judgment literally cited chapter and verse to demonstrate that the Warren Report was, in his words, "a fraudulent document." In an interview given while he was in Dallas for a recent symposium on the Kennedy assassination, Lane told me that in those early days he did not immediately come to the conclusion that the CIA had killed Kennedy.
"I did know, of course, that there were powerful forces involved in covering up the facts. I didn't know then, but I know now, that the Central Intelligence Agency reviewed my book Rush to Judgment before I got a copy of it, and what they said about it, and that they thought it was dangerous and had to be stopped."
Plausible Denial is not intended to be a broad overview of the intricasies of the case and the reasons for disbelieving the official version. For that, one would be advised to turn to Anthony Summers' Conspiracy or other books currently on the market. Here, Lane tells the story of Liberty Lobby, a controversial Washington, DC political organization, whose newspaper the Spotlight had published an article in 1978 alledging that the CIA was going to identify Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt as a conspirator in the JFK assassination.
Hunt, having always denied the charge, sued both the organization and the author of the article, Victor Marchetti, a former CIA official whose book "The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence" was the first book in American history to be subjected to pre-publication censorship. When the original trial, which had netted a victory for Hunt and a settlement approaching three-quarters of a million dollars, was overturned on appeal, Lane agreed to take up the defense on the condition that he be allowed to turn the litigation into a courtroom examination of Hunt's (and the CIA's) true role in Dallas.
The trial is the framework around which Lane builds the book's examination of what he sees as the CIA's role in both planning and executing the plot, and then in covering up the true facts. The story weaves its way through Lane's discovery in the mid-70s of evidence which to him proved CIA complicity, through his involvement with the Liberty Lobby case, and on to the trial and final verdict.
For those that wonder why the CIA wants Trump to hold off on release of the documents, check this out.
Book Review: Plausible Denial
http://www.groverproctor.us/jfk/jfk91a.html
Plausible Denial: Was the CIA Involved in the Assassination of JFK? by Mark Lane. New York: Thunder's Mouth Press, 416 pp. $22.95, cloth.
"Not another book on the Kennedy assassination."
Undoubtedly, some will say that on seeing attorney Mark Lane's newest volume on the booksellers' stands. Some will turn away in anger, supposing it an unpatriotic response to governmental agencies who have already told us what happened, written by someone they believe is merely trying to enrich himself by peddling conspiratorial claptrap. Others will be offended by what they see as an indelicate affront to the Kennedy legacy and family.
However, for those serious about the rational and logical discourse of unresolved historical questions, who are not afraid to be given answers that are at once disturbing, well reasoned, and imminently readable, Lane's book is a must.
To describe the book using Rumpole of the Bailey's phrase "a rattling good yarn" is to say that it is as engrossing as a John le Carre or Len Deighton novel. But the spies Lane talks of here are not cold warriors defending the free world from the international communist conspiracy, but rather possible conspirators themselves in an American coup d'etat.
Among the first and for a long time the best criticism of the Warren Commission's official version that lone nut Lee Harvey Oswald had killed the president, Lane's seminal first book Rush to Judgment literally cited chapter and verse to demonstrate that the Warren Report was, in his words, "a fraudulent document." In an interview given while he was in Dallas for a recent symposium on the Kennedy assassination, Lane told me that in those early days he did not immediately come to the conclusion that the CIA had killed Kennedy.
"I did know, of course, that there were powerful forces involved in covering up the facts. I didn't know then, but I know now, that the Central Intelligence Agency reviewed my book Rush to Judgment before I got a copy of it, and what they said about it, and that they thought it was dangerous and had to be stopped."
Plausible Denial is not intended to be a broad overview of the intricasies of the case and the reasons for disbelieving the official version. For that, one would be advised to turn to Anthony Summers' Conspiracy or other books currently on the market. Here, Lane tells the story of Liberty Lobby, a controversial Washington, DC political organization, whose newspaper the Spotlight had published an article in 1978 alledging that the CIA was going to identify Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt as a conspirator in the JFK assassination.
Hunt, having always denied the charge, sued both the organization and the author of the article, Victor Marchetti, a former CIA official whose book "The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence" was the first book in American history to be subjected to pre-publication censorship. When the original trial, which had netted a victory for Hunt and a settlement approaching three-quarters of a million dollars, was overturned on appeal, Lane agreed to take up the defense on the condition that he be allowed to turn the litigation into a courtroom examination of Hunt's (and the CIA's) true role in Dallas.
The trial is the framework around which Lane builds the book's examination of what he sees as the CIA's role in both planning and executing the plot, and then in covering up the true facts. The story weaves its way through Lane's discovery in the mid-70s of evidence which to him proved CIA complicity, through his involvement with the Liberty Lobby case, and on to the trial and final verdict.
Oct 28, 2017 14:50:06 #
eagleye13 wrote:
Another good book on the JFK assassination. br For... (show quote)
I looked up Piper's book on Amazon, read its reviews, and find the book's Jewish conspiracy quite implausible; I am familiar with how close JFK worked with Robert Oppenheimer and Israel. On the other hand, this Proctor book looks more plausible, since E Howard Hunt's own son, St. John Hunt taped his father's confession on his deathbed about a CIA plot. There are CIA rogue members, what I would call leftovers of the Dulles gang, who were in collusion with foreign forces to take out JFK. But these CIA collaborators were not necessarily communist Cubans or nationalist Cubans or the Mafia, who seem to offer themselves up as patsies as much as Oswald. I think Verdon's book offers greater plausibility than anything published since. The problem is that westerners (including the Castros) do not fully understand what communism is, nor who Karl Marx was.
One of the National Archives newly released papers on the Kennedy Assassination Files regards a newly declassified timeline of events and what looks like remarks on possibly Senator Ted Cruz's father, as a Cuban Ambassador to Ottawa Canada. the text of the declassified files is obtainable and viewable through October 27th, 2017 The Guardian.com's website:
10/27/2017
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/27/jfk-documents-what-we-have-learned-so-far
JFK documents: what we have learned so far
(May 3, 2016)
Donald Trump accuses the father of Ted Cruz of involvement in the assassination. He cites the National Enquirer, a tabloid, as his source.
Officers looking for Oswald before assassination
and a source:
Cuba reacted with ‘happy delight’
Cuban leader Fidel Castro told American lawmakers his country was not involved in the plot, when House investigators visited the island in 1978.
In 1963, however, the Cuban ambassador to the US reacted with “happy delight” to the murder, according to a CIA memo.
(Read the document) [regarding Cuban Ambassador to Ottawa Canada CRUZ]
President Donald Trump's political campaign has been completely vindicated from these JFK files.
Nov 2, 2017 04:57:26 #
badbob85037 wrote:
Every time these records were to be released they ... (show quote)
Let's take a trip down memory lane and see how far this stupid, okay, he's gone from stupid to drooling and soiling one's self stupid man in the presidents leather chair, has gotten so far. Not far. Congress is chock full of Communists! I have a secret surprise for you. Trump is actually the best person for the American people! He's using his head, instead of his ass, to figure things out. Asshat liberals are screaming! Finally a sane mind in the White House. I admit I'm a little surprised liberals have hung on so long to the "BAD" things Trump has supposedly done. What? Are they saving up for a rainy day? "The Dossier!" Eeeeew! Bring it on people! I know you can't wait to sink your teeth into Trump's ample derriere! Mr. Trump hasn't managed to get a lot of his campaign promises accomplished, Congress, made up of whining turncoat lawyers, is the reason why. They want to defy the president at every turn and curve. They insult him and in at least two cases, threaten his life! Liberal or conservative, it hardly matters. They are all bawling their eyes out. Looking for brains? Go to the Executive Branch."BAD" things Trump has supposedly done. What? Are they saving up for a rainy day? "The Dossier!" Eeeeew! Bring it on people! I know you can't wait to sink your teeth into Trump's ample derriere! Mr. Trump hasn't managed to get a lot of his campaign promises accomplished, Congress, made up of whining turncoat lawyers, is the reason why. They want to defy the president at every turn and curve. They insult him and in at least two cases, threaten his life! Liberal or conservative, it hardly matters. They are all bawling their eyes out. Looking for brains? Go to the Executive Branch.
Nov 2, 2017 07:26:03 #
saltwind 78 wrote:
Peter, The JFK files were due to be opened up at this time. The Donald gave himself credit he didn't deserve. Thats usual for a guy with narcissistic personality disorder and a pathological LIAR to boot.
If Donald didn't give himself props then who was going to do it? It's not like he has himself surrounded with people who have his back. Imagine what that's like for him--having to be his own YES man!!!
Nov 2, 2017 08:17:50 #
PeterS wrote:
If Donald didn't give himself props then who was going to do it? It's not like he has himself surrounded with people who have his back. Imagine what that's like for him--having to be his own YES man!!!
"Imagine what that's like for him--having to be his own YES man!!!" - PeterS
Imagine if a couple of turncoat Republican did what voters put them there for?
Republicans are still cleaning house.
When will good Democrats start doing the same?
Pelosi and Shumer better be thrown out of DC before they finish off their party.
Nov 2, 2017 17:48:14 #
[quote=kcstargoat]Let's take a trip down memory lane and see how far this stupid, okay, he's gone from stupid to drooling and soiling one's self stupid man in the presidents leather chair, has gotten so far. Not far. Congress is chock full of Communists! I have a secret surprise for you. Trump is actually the best person for the American people! He's using his head, instead of his ass, to figure things out. Asshat liberals are screaming! Finally a sane mind in the White House. I admit I'm a little surprised liberals have hung on so long to the "BAD" things Trump has supposedly done. What? Are they saving up for a rainy day? "The Dossier!" Eeeeew! Bring it on people! I know you can't wait to sink your teeth into Trump's ample derriere! Mr. Trump hasn't managed to get a lot of his campaign promises accomplished, Congress, made up of whining turncoat lawyers, is the reason why. They want to defy the president at every turn and curve. They insult him and in at least two cases, threaten his life! Liberal or conservative, it hardly matters. They are all bawling their eyes out. Looking for brains? Go to the Executive Branch.
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